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peter banana posted:voting for Trump or a third party candidate who either thinks vaccines cause autism or doesn't know dick about Syria doesn't count as a revolution. Hope this helps. And yet Canadians keep voting that idiot, Elizabeth May into Parliament.
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peter banana posted:voting for Trump or a third party candidate who either thinks vaccines cause autism or doesn't know dick about Syria doesn't count as a revolution. Hope this helps. Doesn't help because you assume they were related directly rather than rhetorical examples of things-that-annoying-white-liberals-say-are-bad-for-minorities. Accelerationism is stupid but it's also a dumb, overused argument given that no real accelerationist push has ever really worked and it's not like accelerationists are always lily-white brocialists.
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OSI bean dip posted:And yet Canadians keep voting that idiot, Elizabeth May into Parliament. I would hesitate to say that British Columbians represent Canadians, but suggesting that Gulf Island residents represent Canadians is borderline monstrous.
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peter banana posted:voting for Trump doesn't count as a revolution. Hope this helps. Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jWfKIaVRvM
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ocrumsprug posted:I would hesitate to say that British Columbians represent Canadians, but suggesting that Gulf Island residents represent Canadians is borderline monstrous. Almost a third of Central Nova voted for her in 2008 and when she ran in London, Ontario, she got a quarter.
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OSI bean dip posted:Almost a third of Central Nova voted for her in 2008 and when she ran in London, Ontario, she got a quarter. If Albertans let the containment seals in the Rockies fail too, then we deserve everything we get.
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OSI bean dip posted:And yet Canadians keep voting that idiot, Elizabeth May into Parliament. we're not trying for a revolution though, nor are we ever. We probably won't even get rid of the monarchy in my lifetime. We're too addicted to our low expectations as a nation to ever rise above our circumstances. May capitalizes with the uneducated and gullible, as they all do. Agnosticnixie posted:Doesn't help because you assume they were related directly rather than rhetorical examples of things-that-annoying-white-liberals-say-are-bad-for-minorities. Accelerationism is stupid but it's also a dumb, overused argument given that no real accelerationist push has ever really worked and it's not like accelerationists are always lily-white brocialists. Yeah, having trouble thinking of modern revolutionary movements started by marginalized groups that aren't immediately sold out by mainstream liberals. I mean, poo poo, it's hard enough to get men on board with feminism by saying "people aren't treated equally and that's Bad." We have to say poo poo like "patriarchy hurts men too!" to get things done. peter banana fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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OSI bean dip posted:And yet Canadians keep voting that idiot, Elizabeth May into Parliament. As 1 of 338 she's fine; nice change of pace, a difference voice, and the occasional good point to make.
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Accelerationalists should watch this video and then tell us how great some new system will do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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OSI bean dip posted:Accelerationalists should watch this video and then tell us how great some new system will do: I'm not defending this perspective, but presumably the accelerationist would reject the premises of the video, argue for accelerationism on deontological rather than consequentialist grounds, or, if they accept the premise of the video, then they'd argue that collapsing or destabilising the current system will shake up the calculus for which blocs of voters / citizens need to be appeased to remain in power, creating new conditions in which some currently undeserved group can gain political power.
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EvilJoven posted:I know a lot of you think that Michael Moore is a hack but he's been saying the past couple months that in talking to people he runs in to, there's a massive pile of secret Trump voters who are basically keeping that poo poo to themselves but intending to vote Trump on election day, not because they think he'd be a good president, but basically to give the finger to the US political system. This isn't an especially new idea and is commonly considered a relevant consideration with how the Brexit vote happened. I think the John Oliver show even interviewed people who voted for Brexit who thought they were sending a joke/message that would never happen and were horrified to discover they helped it happen. Brexit and US Presidential elections are not entirely comparable though.
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Where the hell is Ikantski? https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/11/01/wynne-adviser-to-step-down-after-opp-charges-related-to-sudbury-byelection.html
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I still wouldn't entirely rule out President Trump but it's worth keeping in mind that US polls have a better track record than British polls. And even more importantly the President isn't elected by popular vote but rather through the electoral college, which currently favours Clinton. The most likely consequence of the polls tightening is that it could create problems for the Democrats in the senate. If the GOP retains its hold on Congress then they'll be in a strong position to stymie Clinton's electoral agenda and launch all kinds of embarrassing investigations. I wouldn't rule out another impeachment or some kind of constitutional crisis as the GOP establishment tries to regain control of the rank-and-file by redirecting their fury toward Hilary.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Let's be honest, just about anything can be opposed by shaking marginalized groups at it like a scarecrow. 
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boba fetacheese posted:Where the hell is Ikantski? Hopefully far away.
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Finally, an appropriate and funny Halloween costume for 2016.
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Oh my god am I ever tired of hearing people whine about the power bills, jesus christ Here's a different Ontario thing that's poo poo http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/ontario-ditch-civics-classes-mistake/ quote:As the government of Canada tries to educate and prepare the public for electoral reform, Ontario’s Ministry of Education is quietly floating the idea of removing the province’s mandatory civics course as a requirement for its secondary school diploma. Currently, Ontario is the only province with a compulsory course promoting civic literacy and active citizenship, and the very idea of jettisoning it while the rest of country considers changing the way it will elect future governments is absurd. tldr: Ontario is looking at cutting the mandatory civics class.
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brucio posted:tldr: Ontario is looking at cutting the mandatory civics class. Ontario high school students are already able to take 12 electives, it wouldn't be hard to slip that extra half credit in.
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the trump tutelage posted:At half a credit, Civics is a complete joke and nothing of value would be lost if it was cut. On the other hand, students would be well-served if it was fleshed out into a comprehensive course that taught more political history and theory as well as the dry facts of Canadian governance. wrong
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"Currently, civics in Ontario is taught at the Grade 10 level as a half-credit program paired with the deeply unpopular careers course (a course focused on preparing students for the workforce). It is in civics, crammed into nine short weeks, that students are taught the fundamentals of our democracy, its institutions, and civic responsibilities. An emphasis of the course has always been to foster “active citizens." If they have to jettison a half course then dump Careers and give them a full course in Civics, please god Leaving aside that having half courses at all was kind of a dumb idea
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Careers was a loving terrible course and civics has the potential to be good but it's often taught by the lowest teacher on the totem pole.
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GENDERED SLUR posted:Careers was a loving terrible course and civics has the potential to be good but it's often taught by the lowest teacher on the totem pole. right
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Yeah civics is really good, careers is a loving mess of just taking lovely "what job do you want to do" courses. I got the same content but better from the prep section of my co-op two years later. Full credit civics please.
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RBC posted:wrong
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GENDERED SLUR posted:Careers was a loving terrible course and civics has the potential to be good but it's often taught by the lowest teacher on the totem pole. I was lucky and got a Civics teacher who both knew their poo poo and cared. Definitely should be a full credit. Dump that garbage fire Careers.
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My civics teacher couldn't answer "so um you keep mentioning Meech and Charlottetown, what was actually in those accords?"
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Replace careers with this but as an app because kids like apps
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the trump tutelage posted:Civics is a throwaway course in practice and, at .5 credits, in theory. Yes, make it meaningful, but cutting it as it is, is more symbolically damning than actually harmful to our students' education. Lets symbolically cut your posting by 100%.
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flakeloaf posted:Sure I'll hop on the doxx train JohnnyCanuck posted:I might be down for that! Cool. I was thinking late Nov or early Dec. We did the beer place at Landsdowne last time and it was fun.
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RBC posted:Lets symbolically cut your posting by 100%. Better yet, cut it by 100,000,000% and delete your posting history.
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Risky Bisquick posted:Replace careers with this but as an app because kids like apps Shocked that my board hasn't suggested this yet
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our teacher took the civics course seriously so it was actually pretty good and wasn't an easy 95 like it was in other schools, careers was pretty bad though.
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I'll be honest and say that I barely remember Civics, Careers was an enormous waste of time though, 95% of the class was them teaching us how to fill out Tim Hortons applications and the other 5% was taking computerized personality tests that told you what job you were suited for. Then again I grew up in Kitchener-Waterloo so maybe filling out Tim Hortons applications was actually a really important life skill for many of the students at my high school.
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Civics in HS is a good idea. I didn't have anything like that and didn't really learn poo poo about our government structure and processes until I took a poli sci 101 at uni. Was pretty eye opening. The reason I took the course in the first place was because I was a starry eyed idealist and was kicking around the idea of going into politics as a career. Actually change the world for the better and all that poo poo. Couple weeks into the course that dream was dead.
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Civics at my school was taught by the head of the history department, it was enjoyable and useful, wish it had been the whole term, careers was garbage because it didn't actually help me with a drat thing.
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My high school didn't have civics or "careers" way back when. We had a 1 semester class on why meth was bad and this is what a condom is you should use one.
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Jumping on the 'careers class was useless' bandwagon. Seriously, has anyone had a careers class that was good?
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.