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Tbh in a similar vein to the whole battlefield 1/tasteless videogames thing, I find the current interest that genre fiction has in colonialism and how it's all wrapped up in bullshit steampunk stuff really uncomfortable. There's a kind of attitude where the setting takes a step away from reality, where it is the steampunk British Empire, so it is different and there's racial and gender equality in this alternate British Empire so it's cool for me, the author, to write about how great it would be to go on an adventure in this setting. But they tend to just be filing the difficult edges off of a concept that is just inherently built upon ideas of racism and violence and exploitation. I think it grosses me out so much because it's my own country, and growing up there the school curriculum doesn't cover the empire at all, which is what leads to bullshit historical revisionism and the idolisation of the period by terrible genre fiction authors. The colonial period as an aesthetic is something that gets touched upon in advertising/branding sometimes too and it's always terrible to see it there, but I feel like there's not the obsession with it in marketing that nerds have with the whole Steampunk British Empire poo poo. Red Bones has a new favorite as of 22:14 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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Red Bones posted:Tbh in a similar vein to the whole battlefield 1/tasteless videogames thing, I find the current interest that genre fiction has in colonialism and how it's all wrapped up in bullshit steampunk stuff really uncomfortable. There's a kind of attitude where the setting takes a step away from reality, where it is the steampunk British Empire, so it is different and there's racial and gender equality in this alternate British Empire so it's cool for me, the author, to write about how great it would be to go on an adventure in this setting. But they tend to just be filing the difficult edges off of a concept that is just inherently built upon ideas of racism and violence and exploitation. I think it grosses me out so much because it's my own country, and growing up there the school curriculum doesn't cover the empire at all, which is what leads to bullshit historical revisionism and the idolisation of the period by terrible genre fiction authors. I think you're kind of missing the point if you're talking about a setting that's specifically fictional so that it can change around things like racism and sexism. It's like claiming Game of Thrones is engaging in historical revisionism for not accurately depicting race relations in medieval Europe. I think we'd have a problem if people were whitewashing a legitimate historical setting, like if they actually did something set in an otherwise accurate 1890s and had outright false depictions of how colonialism acted (like all the real fiction from back then that depicted Africans as just frizzy-haired monkeys), but we're talking about blatant fiction with steam-powered mecha and Victorian laser beams. That's not exactly the setting where you expect realistic depictions of history.
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Decrepus posted:Remember when this post sparked controversy? idgi Was AOE2 horribly racist somehow and my 12 year-old brain didn't pick up on it at the time?
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chitoryu12 posted:I think you're kind of missing the point if you're talking about a setting that's specifically fictional so that it can change around things like racism and sexism. It's like claiming Game of Thrones is engaging in historical revisionism for not accurately depicting race relations in medieval Europe. Considering the first steampunk book was explicit about how lovely the empire was and everything since then has been Lord Wankenshire jizzing on gears, I have to say that the idolization of the colonial period is still really gross.
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I feel inadequate for disliking steampunk only because of nerds.
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The Door Frame posted:Oh, there are the cartoon villains too, but you do kill a lot of looters on sight, and then immediately take stuff off of their warm bodies. Only you attacking people on sight and looting the corpses of your victims is the good thing. You can't harm civilians in any way (apart from dogs, the game lets you shoot dogs in the street. Not once in the game does a dog ever attack you). Trying to shoot them just puts them in a generic panic state and they soak up your bullets. Anyone you can harm is someone that is going to shoot you purely for existing near them, uniform or not they will shoot at you. The closest option you get to a moral high-ground is letting them detect you and allow them to open fire first, or just run away as they shoot bullets into your back until you're far away enough from them to despawn. But they will always shoot you and they will never offer to surrender even if you kill 30 of their friends in front of them.  These are the Rioters (Looters). They don't blend in with in-game civilians at all. Nothing in the game suggests they're gathering loot for a greater cause or community. They're openly hostile to what's left of the Peacekeeping forces and civilians. They come spouting the 'gently caress the people everything is poo poo we take what we want gently caress the weak' outlook. Not a single one of their combat barks hint at not wanting to fight or shoot you dead. They are your stereotypical generic aggressive street gang enemies.
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Every single enemy is a civilian, you're killing American citizens every single time you kill someone. You're a secret agent authorized by the president to murder any civilian survivors of a terrorist attack that you decide to be a threat to stability. There's no due process, there's no accountability, there's only you deciding which citizens of the largest city in the United States deserve to live. When the whole country has been battling with the use of force by and the accountability of the police for years, portraying the secret agents as heroes is beyond tone deaf
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Okay, who's heard the Tide ad on Pandora? I wish I could find a recording. A little girl is naively singing what sounds like a nursery rhyme, only she's listing hazardous chemicals and items that kids could accidentally ingest. How nice of Tide for the public service announcement. Near the end the little girl very clearly says "bleached buttholes." I've finally figured out that she's supposed to be saying bleach bottles. But I have to MAKE myself hear bleach bottles because she says it like "buttles" because she a cute widdle girl. You gotta pay the troll toll I guess.
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The Door Frame posted:Every single enemy is a civilian, you're killing American citizens every single time you kill someone.   The Rioters are killing unarmed people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWFnY0SJZQ&t=111s The Cleaners that are burning everyone and everything they deem infected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWFnY0SJZQ&t=30s (Even their own, at least one of the collectables is a conversation between one Cleaner having a cold, because it's winter, and having to talk his way out of his fellow Cleaners from burning him on the spot) The Rikers that are killing everyone that isn't them in the streets for revenge and fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWFnY0SJZQ&t=85s You know, innocent civilians that aren't a threat. How about the LMB? They're an (American) heavily armed PMC that was hired to protect rich people/Wall Street that got abandoned in the city. They also want to restore peace and order but the catch is they want to do it in their own name, gently caress the Government so that includes shooting down the JTF peacekeepers. Where does this put them? We are morally allowed to shoot these people? Would it make it morally better if we were just Random Guy With Gun instead of working for this super Cool Secret Ultra Undercover Agent Division? At the end of the day it's a video game about fulfilling a power fantasy but it's hardly worse than most other games. What are your thoughts on Just Cause 2, or Tom Clancy's Future Soldier.
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Croccers posted:At the end of the day it's a video game about fulfilling a power fantasy but it's hardly worse than most other games. The power fantasy being 'killing desperate people who have less than you.' I dunno dude, I'll take 'yeah these rabbit-skull-face shadow things are creatures who aren't human and they are literally evil look we wrote this whole backstory for why it's totally okay to kill them they don't even really die so phew right' over 'this guy's scary because he's terrified and hungry, aren't you lucky you've got a +19 shotgun of loving and a +4 cravat of smackdowns' any day. Somfin has a new favorite as of 07:44 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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Of course, they did say that they are all evil and poo poo and not just The Poors, but considering a shocking amount of people consider Undesirables as wild orcs who eat babies and want to steal your TV because they just love being bad it's sorta playing into that and reinforcing it. It's like American Sniper, the fact that Chris Kyle technically only kills Evil Terrorists doesn't make the implications less...unsavory.
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Fuckin' Borderlands did that part right, at least. Bandits are so comically evil and vicious and violent and cruel and inhuman and the world they live on is so barbaric that killing them feels cathartic and justified. The
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Improbable Lobster posted:Lord Wankenshire jizzing on gears Mods, I beg of you.
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Somfin posted:The power fantasy being 'killing desperate people who have less than you.' I think the kind of moral nuances you want to find are not going to be readily available in a medium made for 17 year olds.
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None of the awful parts of The Division matter because it's a terrible game
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Non Serviam posted:I think the kind of moral nuances you want to find are not going to be readily available in a medium made for 17 year olds. Undertale, Spec Ops: The Line, and Iji all pulled it off. It's just difficult. And let's not pretend that's the fault of the medium.
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Improbable Lobster posted:None of the awful parts of The Division matter because it's a terrible game That is a fair point
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Somfin posted:Undertale, Spec Ops: The Line, and Iji all pulled it off. It's just difficult. I play video games, I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just that it seems tough. This War of Mine was terrible. In a good way. But that poo poo hurt to play. 
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I don't think this is the tagline I would have gone with, to be honest.
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Isn't weed legal in Colorado?
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LibrarianCroaker posted:I don't think this is the tagline I would have gone with, to be honest. What is it with Colorado? http://www.denverstiffs.com/2016/10/21/13358494/denver-nuggets-white-pride-jerseys-2016
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The Door Frame posted:Already been deleted 
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Improbable Lobster posted:None of the awful parts of The Division matter because it's a terrible game We have never progressed beyond the perfection of 50 Cent's "Blood on the Sand".
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Less of a dumb marketing move and more of a dumb ad placement move, but I recently got a Twitter ad telling me to vote Hillary. The thing is, I live in a non-English speaking corner of Europe, have lived here my entire life, and have never been to the States (nor am I following the US elections at all), so I am not sure how well-thought this campaign is. I don't think it is reaching its target demographics, though. Also, not so bad, but Youtube kept at some point in time quite stubbornly showing me ads for a local right-wing party candidate. He was running for a government position at a state around 1000 km away from where I live. I am pretty sure Google has my location, so again no idea how it got so mixed up... Edited for dumb typo, it's late here...
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Jiru posted:Less of a dumb marketing move and more of a dumb ad placement move, but I recently got a Twitter ad telling me to vote Hillary. The thing is, I live in a non-English speaking corner of Europe, have lived here my entire life, and have never been to the States (nor am I following the US elections at all), so I am not sure how well-thought this campaign is. I don't think it is reaching its target demographics, though. That sounds like a technical issue with Twitter's targeting or your ISP or something. Still silly though
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Last Chance posted:That sounds like a technical issue with Twitter's targeting or your ISP or something. Still silly though He is one of the rare few who is immune to the illuminati tracking grid. Expect a visit from rag tag freedom fighters looking to recruit soon
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Jiru posted:Less of a dumb marketing move and more of a dumb ad placement move, but I recently got a Twitter ad telling me to vote Hillary. The thing is, I live in a non-English speaking corner of Europe, have lived here my entire life, and have never been to the States (nor am I following the US elections at all), so I am not sure how well-thought this campaign is. I don't think it is reaching its target demographics, though. Are you using Google's DNS servers?
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Dumb marketing... ... or good marketing???? 
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There is nothing inappropriate about a SHVT BOX. Anyone who claims otherwise has a dirty mind. It’s like SpaceX’s BFR, which totally stands for “Big Falcon Rocket”, we swear.
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Burger King has been running ads on Pandora where people with funny accents go out of their minds for their breakfast deals and if anything, it makes me not want to get food there
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Creepy esports marketing: https://twitter.com/mouzNiKo/status/799319033740869632 http://kotaku.com/pro-counter-strike-bobbleheads-look-as-creepy-as-youd-i-1789177498
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I always find it funny when my colleagues complain about the dumb collectible poo poo that their kids are going nuts over considering ~75% of them have at least one FunkoPop figure adorning their desk.
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Just gonna leave this here: https://www.wired.com/2016/11/behold-chinas-answer-amazon-echo-linglong-dingdong/amp/
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I'm more of a fan of the Ting Tang Walla Walla Bing Bang myself.
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They're just cutting the racists off at the pass.
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Phanatic posted:Just gonna leave this here: I hope they use "So there was only one thing that I could do, was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long" in ads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI#t=0m12s
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Phanatic posted:Just gonna leave this here: so a chinese company gave their product a weirdly racist name?
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