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It was a while ago but iirc my careers class was also taught by a guidance counsellor instead of an actual teacher so not only were they teaching useless stuff, they were also teaching it really really badly.
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As Millennials We Will All Be Engaged In Lifelong Learning - my careers course
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PittTheElder posted:Jumping on the 'careers class was useless' bandwagon. Seriously, has anyone had a careers class that was good? Ours was broken down into a bunch of mini units, and while almost total crap the basic cooking and sewing units were actually pretty useful for a dumbass teenager. Also the USE A CONDOM THIS IS HOW IT GOES ON was probably also a good idea.
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Also echoing "dump careers, expand civics". It was actually interesting in grade 10 and there was way more to learn than what we had time for.Dreylad posted:As Millennials We Will All Be Engaged In Lifelong Learning - my careers course Also networking (when you live in a city full of hicks whose main goal in life is to knock some chubby broad up in the back of their F150) is the only way to get a job.
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I dunno, I think there's a niche for careers. Turn it into a life skills course of some sort where you learn how to make a not-lovely resume, fill out a job application and do an interview, but spend like a month on that and then move on to other things that are useful for living in the real world. For real though make civics a full credit course and have it taught by someone who knows anything about how governments work, and not just whichever poor schlub's class didn't get enough enrollment to get them a full schedule.
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Careers should be a full credit course, except the entirety of the course content is constant shaming until STEM is seen as the only viable career path
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Nov 2, 2016 12:57
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We didn't have anything of the sort. Closest we got was a computerized personality test to tell us what kind of job we'd be suited for, but the test bugged out and told everyone they should be bus drivers.
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flakeloaf posted:We didn't have anything of the sort. Closest we got was a computerized personality test to tell us what kind of job we'd be suited for, but the test bugged out and told everyone they should be bus drivers. Same, but brewmasters. I think it was secretly the developer of the test telling us to become alcoholics early
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CLAM DOWN posted:My high school didn't have civics or "careers" way back when. We had a 1 semester class on why meth was bad and this is what a condom is you should use one. To be fair, this is also pretty important.
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flakeloaf posted:We didn't have anything of the sort. Closest we got was a computerized personality test to tell us what kind of job we'd be suited for, but the test bugged out and told everyone they should be bus drivers. Everyone in my class got aerospace engineer or park ranger.
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ChickenWing posted:I dunno, I think there's a niche for careers. Turn it into a life skills course of some sort where you learn how to make a not-lovely resume, fill out a job application and do an interview, but spend like a month on that and then move on to other things that are useful for living in the real world. After the getting-a-job part (mock interviews are so helpful), toss in some personal finance.
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flakeloaf posted:We didn't have anything of the sort. Closest we got was a computerized personality test to tell us what kind of job we'd be suited for, but the test bugged out and told everyone they should be bus drivers. Yes, "bugged out" Our career planning was looking at a list of jobs the local university could land you if you got a degree After a few years everyone who didn't stick with uni went into construction or nursing depending if you were male or female
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flakeloaf posted:We didn't have anything of the sort. Closest we got was a computerized personality test to tell us what kind of job we'd be suited for, but the test bugged out and told everyone they should be bus drivers. Everybody always got bus driver, religious leader, or teacher on those tests. To this day I cannot decide if the test was entirely useless or cunningly accurate.
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Subjunctive posted:After the getting-a-job part (mock interviews are so helpful), toss in some personal finance. Just show them apps like YNAB. Have them pick careers and work backwards from their salaries to see how much it costs to live how they'd like to. Apps, the future of our kids.
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Risky Bisquick posted:Just show them apps like YNAB. Have them pick careers and work backwards from their salaries to see how much it costs to live how they'd like to. I want some stuff on compound interest, what happens if you just make the minimum credit card payments, etc.
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Guys I got the coolest camper for like 50 bucks a month what a steal. Oh it's 40 years of payments at 4%, but drat is that cheapppp
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What exactly is Civics? Are they just teaching you how laws pass in government and how elections work? I did all of that in Grade 8 Social Studies EDIT: The Liberals are ramping up spending and TFWs lol http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...1/?cmpid=PM1116 quote:But Mr. Morneau acknowledged Tuesday that the plan he outlined just a few months ago in March has proven overly optimistic and the $6-billion a year set aside in case the economy underperforms has already been largely used up. That means this year’s deficit is expected to be $25.1-billion, with it growing to $27.8-billion in 2017-18 DariusLikewise fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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How payday lenders work, what an emergency room is for, a three-week part on critical thinking (probably wanna do that one last to avoid annoying questions the rest of the year), you could totally make a worthwhile course out of that. Introduction to Adulthood.
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Risky Bisquick posted:Just show them apps like YNAB. Have them pick careers and work backwards from their salaries to see how much it costs to live how they'd like to. "So you'll see here that you're hosed forever and will never afford a house and will probably need 5 roommates for the next three decades. Vote Trudeau!"
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Service guarantees citizenship.
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flakeloaf posted:How payday lenders work, what an emergency room is for, a three-week part on critical thinking (probably wanna do that one last to avoid annoying questions the rest of the year), you could totally make a worthwhile course out of that. Introduction to Adulthood. Applied Statistics (lottery tickets bad, driving dangerous, terrorism not) would be a good unit too.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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The Ontario system sounds odd. Did you guys not have Social Studies? In BC, Social Studies is a full year course required Grades 8-11. It covers a combination of history (world and Canadian), geography and political science. In Grade 12 you can take History 12 or Geography 12 (and there might have been another one, maybe Law?) but IIRC only Social Studies 11 is required for graduation. *all information only current to the time I graduated from high school toe knee hand fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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toe knee hand posted:The Ontario system sounds odd. Did you guys not have Social Studies? If we did, it wasn't a prerequisite for graduating so nobody cared. "World religions" was the course that pretentious people took to look worldly and philosophical, and I think that was as close to the humanities as we got. But I do have two gym credits so if anyone wants to start a discussion about walking around on a gravel track or standing there while tall kids played volleyball, I got your back
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In BC in the late 90s we had carreers (CAPP) but not civics, that would have been an elective in grade 12 and covered slightly in social studies before that.
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ChickenWing posted:Same, but brewmasters. Somehow I got 'military officer' which would not have turned out well at all.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Unironically this. Pay combat veterans to come in and ramble to high school kids about civic duty. Unless you're talking about WW2/Korea/Peacekeeping vets, this is a terrible idea.
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GENDERED SLUR posted:"So you'll see here that you're hosed forever and will never afford a house and will probably need 5 roommates for the next three decades. Vote Trudeau!" "Get used to it and if you don't you're entitled. Oh also become a nurse to wipe my rear end when I'm old"
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GENDERED SLUR posted:Everyone in my class got aerospace engineer or park ranger. Even if you take aerospace you will never get to work on planes. Sorry.
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cowofwar posted:In BC in the late 90s we had carreers (CAPP) but not civics, that would have been an elective in grade 12 and covered slightly in social studies before that. Careers and Personal Planning or as I like to call it, CRAP. I think we learnt how to write cheques and format resumes in this class.
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toe knee hand posted:The Ontario system sounds odd. Did you guys not have Social Studies? I'll have to dig out my high school transcript but in 1980-1986 there was a half-credit 'Canadian Geography' and a half-credit 'Canadian History' in Grades 9 or 10. These were mandatory. You must have needed another credit for social sciences as I took Grade 11 History. I can't think what else I took in Social Sciences so that must have been it. Grade 13 was 3 math credits, 3 science credits, English, Band and (seriously) Microbiology (a *technical* subject of all things).
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Subjunctive posted:After the getting-a-job part (mock interviews are so helpful), toss in some personal finance.  We actually did a module in elementary school in grade 5 or 6 about finance where everyone got randomly assigned jobs and had to make a budget out of it. Learning that Life Costs A Lot Of Money had an impact on me, not sure about the rest of my classmates. I think there was a unit on compound interest, mortgages, and debt in my Grade 11 U math course. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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Rust Martialis posted:I'll have to dig out my high school transcript but in 1980-1986 there was a half-credit 'Canadian Geography' and a half-credit 'Canadian History' in Grades 9 or 10. These were mandatory. You must have needed another credit for social sciences as I took Grade 11 History. I can't think what else I took in Social Sciences so that must have been it. Grade 13 was 3 math credits, 3 science credits, English, Band and (seriously) Microbiology (a *technical* subject of all things). This was still the system in the 2000s. Mandatory half-credit course in grade 9 in geography, mandatory half-credit course in grade 10 on Canadian history, requirement for one more social sciences credit that most people got with either grade 11 world history, world religions, or ancient civ (Greece, Rome, and Egypt). My school also had grade 12 courses in philosophy, politics, and world history but I think those weren't part of the official curriculum but were instead taught because my high school's history department had some interesting people in it who were passionate about those subjects and built courses around them for humanities nerds like myself to take. Most of those teachers are retired now so I wouldn't be surprised if the school doesn't have those courses anymore. Plus there was a grade 12 global issues course that tried to cover world politics but most people just took it because there was a class trip to New York every year, no idea why.
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Dreylad posted:We actually did a module in elementary school in grade 5 or 6 about finance where everyone got randomly assigned jobs and had to make a budget out of it. Learning that Life Costs A Lot Of Money had an impact on me, not sure about the rest of my classmates. It also conveys the important lesson that financial means have a large luck component to them.
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OSI bean dip posted:Careers and Personal Planning or as I like to call it, CRAP. You learned how to write cheques? That actually sounds useful. In my CAPP class we had pages of writing about how we envisioned our future and the goals we'd make to achieve it. Pages and pages.
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Subjunctive posted:I want some stuff on compound interest, what happens if you just make the minimum credit card payments, etc. It's called "math." Compound interest is explained in excruciating detail largely because it's such a nice example case. I'm not sure if minimum payments are covered, though. I suppose it's left as an exercise for the reader.
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Turn Civics and Careers into full-credit courses, throw out grade 12 English. If you haven't gotten it by now after living in Ontario your whole life you can burn an elective on it. Everyone else can take shop (if you live in a school board that can still afford it) or computers or a secord history credit, which is functionally the same as English but includes critical thinking and trivia.
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quote:a secord history credit, which is functionally the same as English but includes critical thinking and trivia. This would work if you were to also give month-long detentions to anyone who asked "do spelling and grammar count?"
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PT6A posted:It's called "math." Compound interest is explained in excruciating detail largely because it's such a nice example case. I'm not sure if minimum payments are covered, though. I suppose it's left as an exercise for the reader. Yeah, I remember doing a ton of examples of interest, mortgages, taxes, etc, in high school math because they're actually really good examples for that level of learning.
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