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When I think "SAW writing team" my first reaction is always "these dudes should adapt Sanderson's work".
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EVGA Longoria posted:When I think "SAW writing team" my first reaction is always "these dudes should adapt Sanderson's work". Well I mean, I could see it for Kaladin's life, sorta.
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Oct 28, 2016 07:05
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CharlestheHammer posted:That is literally Vins purpose in the first half of the first book, Seriously she spents all her non-ball time harassing and interviewing everyone with powers about how they work, not that it's a bad thing it makes sense.
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Oct 28, 2016 07:17
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The black prism so far reads like Kip is the writer when he was a fat 15 year old. All it talks about is how every girl is the most beautiful girl ever blah blah blah
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Oct 28, 2016 23:14
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RC Cola posted:The black prism so far reads like Kip is the writer when he was a fat 15 year old. All it talks about is how every girl is the most beautiful girl ever blah blah blah
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Oct 29, 2016 04:05
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I don't know about the rest of you but I read the lightbringer series to see what kind of poo poo Andross will pull to stay in power and protect his position. I don't think kip is even a top 5 character in the series. Kip's I am little goon with a Mary Sue problem does start to dissipate as the series goes on.
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Oct 29, 2016 06:08
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RC Cola posted:The black prism so far reads like Kip is the writer when he was a fat 15 year old. All it talks about is how every girl is the most beautiful girl ever blah blah blah  maybe we need a :goontrigger: warning emoji so fat losers who crush on girls, have something to warn them away from upsetting content
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Nov 1, 2016 05:43
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I was watching Sanderson's most recent BYU lectures on youtube, they are really interesting. He recommend the Powder Mage series and boy was he right. This series is great if you like Sandersons work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UCZ_Yq-hCQ9kmCiNdDeIrbgA?videos
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Nov 1, 2016 14:45
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Powder mage trilogy is pure gold and should be better know. The second book, Crimson Campaign is like one of the best books I've ever read, close to WoR. Brent weeks just can't reach me. I tried the shadow whatever series but all secondary characters are flat as the book paper. Tried black prism and have to agree that Kip sucks and the Prism is obnoxious.... Just not the book for me I guess. 
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Nov 1, 2016 14:56
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NeruVolpi posted:Powder mage trilogy is pure gold and should be better know. I'm with you, man. Powder Mage trilogy is really good. I've read it twice now. As for Weeks, the best I can say is that he is really good at writing juvenile power fantasies, but if you don't like juvenile power fantasies, you're not going to like his work.
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Nov 1, 2016 15:54
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Should also say that, as much as I love Brandon and Stormlight, I just HATE his YA novels. They are all too hammy and awesome-y, therefore cringey... Stay epic Brandon....
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Nov 1, 2016 16:27
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ConfusedUs posted:I'm with you, man. Powder Mage trilogy is really good. I've read it twice now. I really enjoyed the world, magic, and story. But I thought many of the characters could use something beyond the tired stereotypes they got; particularly the women. And the way Vlora's infidelity was glossed over as only the guy's fault by everyone, with no word from her at all in three books, robbing her off all agency in the matter, really rubbed me the wrong way.
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Nov 1, 2016 16:32
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Jorenko posted:I really enjoyed the world, magic, and story. But I thought many of the characters could use something beyond the tired stereotypes they got; particularly the women. And the way Vlora's infidelity was glossed over as only the guy's fault by everyone, with no word from her at all in three books, robbing her off all agency in the matter, really rubbed me the wrong way. What? Vlora owned that poo poo in book 2 when she told Tamas off.
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Nov 1, 2016 17:33
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Haven't heard about the Powder Mage trilogy, going to check it out.NeruVolpi posted:Should also say that, as much as I love Brandon and Stormlight, I just HATE his YA novels. hammy and awesome-y is pretty much exactly what YA fiction foes for, though?
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Nov 2, 2016 05:17
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Evil Fluffy posted:Haven't heard about the Powder Mage trilogy, going to check it out. First of all. Yes, please check it out (is there a thread for it in SA? It should...) Second of all. Not sure if that is what YA should go for. I picture YA as mid late Harry Potter, or even way early Wheel of Time. Basically a "gently caress-less" and more innocent adult fantasy, instead of an edgier Middle grade... Could be just wishful thinking though.
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Nov 2, 2016 14:11
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While we're talking about different book series - is the Malazan series a good read? I false started book 1 and I'm debating picking it up again.
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Nov 2, 2016 17:13
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Modest Mouse cover band posted:While we're talking about different book series - is the Malazan series a good read? I false started book 1 and I'm debating picking it up again. The series is metal as gently caress and has a fairly large following. I think there used to be a thread for it. Not sure if it's still active. Personally, it lost me around book 3 or 4. It had a horrid case of what I call "fantasy word diarrhea" in which everything has a crazy name with weird letter combinations, odd capitalization rules, and an excess of apostrophes. The series also has a tendency to just dump you into situations and expect you to know what's going on. Combined, I often felt bewildered and frustrated. I found myself checking the reference pages at the back of the book just to remember who was who and where a place was, which is something I've never had to do in any series before or since. I eventually just gave up because it was more work than enjoyment.
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Nov 2, 2016 17:24
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Modest Mouse cover band posted:While we're talking about different book series - is the Malazan series a good read? I false started book 1 and I'm debating picking it up again. A lot of people I know love it, and I enjoyed parts of it. I think it's the first series I've read where the world actually feels more like a whole world, with billions of people and millions of years of history, than like an RPG world with one 50-person city in each country. But I got bogged down in all the jumping around to things and people I don't care about and disparate time periods after a few books, and haven't gone back yet after probably 5 years. Also: the magic system is NOT Sandersonian. There is the suggestion that rules exist, but as presented to the reader, it's pretty hand wavey.
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Nov 2, 2016 17:30
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ConfusedUs posted:The series is metal as gently caress and has a fairly large following. I think there used to be a thread for it. Not sure if it's still active. Last post was not long ago! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3393708
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Nov 2, 2016 18:42
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The Humble Book Bundle has PDF versions of the Mistborn role-playing game in their latest bundle. You get the core rule-book at $8, and supplements for Alloy of Law and Terris at $15 (along with some aSoIaF, Dresden Files, and a couple others). https://www.humblebundle.com/books/fiction-faves-rpg-book-bundle
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Nov 2, 2016 19:45
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NeruVolpi posted:Powder mage trilogy is pure gold and should be better know. Modest Mouse cover band posted:While we're talking about different book series - is the Malazan series a good read? I false started book 1 and I'm debating picking it up again. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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Nov 2, 2016 21:18
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Modest Mouse cover band posted:While we're talking about different book series - is the Malazan series a good read? I false started book 1 and I'm debating picking it up again. Depends, how epic do you like things? In Malazan we're talking hundreds of thousands of years of history. There are multiple realms of existence, many of them aspected and responsible for the powerful magic. A whole pantheon of literal gods who regularly try to gently caress each other over. Ancient elder races, which include the undead neanderthals, sardonic ice trolls, colour coded elven dragon shapeshifters, multi-jointed alabaster ninjas and genetically modified technologically advanced space dinosaurs. A whole bunch of different continents. A heck of a lot of battles, wars and epic fights. It can go from horror to comedy to tragedy seamlessly, with liberal doses of philosophical musing on power or existence. It's undoubtedly the most epic finished fantasy series I've read. Yeah there's a big cast and some weird names, but I never really had any issue following along, as long as I didn't take a big break partway through. It can be tough to get going but I'd advise that you just keep forging ahead in spite of any confusion, the running start is part of the atmosphere. You get a better idea of what is going on later in the series and if you ever read the first book again with that knowledge then it's incredible how much you missed or didn't realise was important. I'd recommend at least reading to the second or third books in the series anyway. The second and third books are better than the first and are more representative of the latter part of the series.
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Nov 3, 2016 00:32
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Xachariah posted:genetically modified technologically advanced space dinosaurs OK, now you've convinced me to try it.
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Nov 3, 2016 01:23
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With swords for arms. The super space dinosaurs have swords for arms.
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Nov 3, 2016 01:49
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Eh! Frank posted:The Humble Book Bundle has PDF versions of the Mistborn role-playing game in their latest bundle. You get the core rule-book at $8, and supplements for Alloy of Law and Terris at $15 (along with some aSoIaF, Dresden Files, and a couple others). How did I not know this existed? Bought. I've been wanting to run a Mistborn-based tabletop game for like a year now, but I was too drat lazy to homebrew something. I love it when other people do all the work for me.
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Nov 3, 2016 01:58
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StonecutterJoe posted:How did I not know this existed? Bought. I've been wanting to run a Mistborn-based tabletop game for like a year now, but I was too drat lazy to homebrew something. I love it when other people do all the work for me. You'd have been better off rolling your own system. The system in the books is loving awful. It's worthwhile for the giant pile of setting information, but not much else. It kind of suffers from the fact that it accurately portrays the world, and that's just not terribly well suited for an RPG.
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Nov 3, 2016 13:12
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Malazan is not a series worth reading, it's too much of a DnD campaign and reads like it. They should have split those books up a bit more, have some sort of chronological order and maybe use less lovely names just to sound special. The ideas and some of the characters are really good, but the series as a whole is kinda bad. About Lightbringer, I don't know why it'd be a bad thing to be offended by the self-insert Kip and the other flaws of the books, they are just your average fantasy book you read while nothing better is available. One day I'll understand the obsession all these fantasy authors have with rape and sex in general, until then I'll deduct points for writing lovely scenes about it. :linktofatpinkmast.mp3:
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Nov 3, 2016 14:47
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Is Kip Karris's son?
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Nov 3, 2016 17:11
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RC Cola posted:Is Kip Karris's son? No. Blood Mirror Spoiler Andross seduced kips mother who was a librarian, so he could get access to some documents. Andross got her pregnant. Andross didn't believe her. So she seduced the real Gaven, and stole the binding knife from him and ran away. She then became a drug addict and lied to kip about Gaven being his father. Kip doesn't know any of this.
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Nov 3, 2016 20:28
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Ugh, I swear this guy needs to get a job writing for soap operas. Everything is so full of drama for its own sake.
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Nov 3, 2016 20:44
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I feel like he goes two or three twists beyond the point where the reader cares
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Nov 3, 2016 20:49
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Tunicate posted:I feel like he goes two or three twists beyond the point where the reader cares Yes, and it annoys me. Malazan kinda falls into this too. It's not enough that you have a technologically advanced species of dinosaur, no. You have to have technologically advanced, genetically modified, space dinosaurs with swords for arms. When everything is a superlative, nothing is. It's just word salad, and I don't care.
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Nov 3, 2016 21:15
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Kip txt 'when he looked at Karris, he couldn’t help but notice her dress. Karris had been thought-freezingly gorgeous when Kip had seen her wrapped in a heavy black cloak over her Blackguard garb. In the thin black dress she was wearing, her beauty ripped Kip’s breath out of his chest, stomped on it, and set it on fire.'
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Nov 3, 2016 22:21
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Teenagers are dumb, that's half the fun of teenage protagonists.
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Nov 4, 2016 01:17
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NinjaDebugger posted:You'd have been better off rolling your own system. The system in the books is loving awful. It's worthwhile for the giant pile of setting information, but not much else. It kind of suffers from the fact that it accurately portrays the world, and that's just not terribly well suited for an RPG. Aw, poop. Well, that's fine, I can use the setting info all in one place, and run it with Savage Worlds or something. Still cheap for the price.
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Nov 4, 2016 01:45
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Also, Powder Mage RPG book is on Kickstarter! Only 15 bucks for the PDF! (that is actually a small fortune in my country's money but oh well...) Setting owns. Dunno anything about the system though. (gonna ignore the lightbringer talk. Kip is the worst teenager protagonist ever...)
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Nov 4, 2016 03:02
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Modest Mouse cover band posted:While we're talking about different book series - is the Malazan series a good read? I false started book 1 and I'm debating picking it up again. How hard do you want your brain to work? Malazan is the kind of series that you pick up when you want to give your brain a good workout. It is not a "curl up on the couch with a drink to relax" type of book. The structure of the books are completely atypical as well - there's no gradual introduction to the world, explanation of who characters are, motives behind the different factions, etc. Even when characters are doing inner monologuing, Erikson is careful to represent their thoughts as they really would be - i.e. there's no exposition or reminders of who other characters are, just the character's actual reactions and thoughts to the situation. Basically, you open the book and you're starting in the middle of a story - or in the case of Book I, at the END of a story, which then segues into the next story. He forces you to piece everything together yourself, by picking up hints from dialogue and action. It is the most mentally exhausting fantasy series that I have ever read, and the sheer head hurt I suffered during the process basically made me never want to go back and re-read it. Oh, and just like in history, main characters/factions drop in and drop out of the books all the time and the publication order of the books is not consistent with the actual chronology of the world (see Malazan thread for a diagram - yes, a diagram - of the chronology). The switching around between different groups, geographies and storylines can be quite disorientating because it takes so long to get into the story (since you have to work so hard to piece it together) that when you finally get your head around it, you suddenly get bounced to a different story and it's just like "...who on earth are THESE guys?!?!" The magic system - as already mentioned - is kind of insane and linked to a gigantic pantheon of competing "gods" (who aren't really gods, or at least, not really in that sense, because normal characters can do things to "ascend" and gain powers in weird and non-specific and unpredictable ways). The rules are never described anywhere, though from reading, you can infer that there IS a set of rules, somewhere, but the rules are crazy and contradictory (I could never really work out a cohesive theory). If you like super tragic epic stories where protagonists/anti-heroes get awfulness beyond description dumped on them endlessly (and I mean endlessly) for the sake of staying true to their values/principles, then you will probably enjoy this a lot. I thought after the first few books Erikson was going to run out of horrors but nope, they just keep coming. For example, here is a speech from one of the anti-heroes in the book to the army she commands which is just thoroughly depressing - and the worst part of all is, you don't realise exactly HOW depressing until about 4 books later when all the foreshadowing starts to hit (I've spoilered the parts that give away big plot points, but I've left the parts which are just references to events but don't give away what happens since those won't make sense unless you've read the books): Tavore Paran posted:Malazan wiki: http://malazan.wikia.com/wiki/Tavore%27s_Speech Eventually the plot threads all kind of converge in the final book which is beyond epic but it's a super long wait for the pay-off. There are some very interesting characters, but for the most part, Erikson is dealing with a cast of tens of thousands and after a while, all of the minor characters just kind of all blur together as 2D cardboard cutouts and I struggled to care about them/tell them apart without their gimmick.
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Nov 4, 2016 05:31
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The only thing I know about Malazan is that people constantly bring it up in threads about other books, and write long wordy posts about it that I instinctively scroll past. I suspect I may not be alone in this.
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Nov 4, 2016 06:33
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mossyfisk posted:The only thing I know about Malazan is that people constantly bring it up in threads about other books, and write long wordy posts about it that I instinctively scroll past. When someone starts talking about the negative stereotype fantasy books and their readers have Malazan always comes to mind right away.
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I don't have time for Malazan, I'm still trying to watch my way through LoGH
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