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stone cold posted:Well, no, she's not. That's rather the point, as those are the most medically necessary abortions-never performed unless lives are at stake. quote:However, Clinton stressed that she objects to the recent efforts in Congress to pass a federal law banning abortions after 20 weeks with no exceptions. "Under Roe v. Wade, it is appropriate to say in these circumstances" that abortion rights may be restricted, she said -- "so long as there's an exception for the life and health of the mother." http://www.snopes.com/boycott36-clinton-sanders-late-term-abortion/ I might be misunderstanding, and I could be wrong on how many weeks it generally is into a pregnancy before it becomes partial birth, but it sounds like she'd be ok with a 20 week ban as long as there was an exception for health of the mother?
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Mixodorian posted:http://www.snopes.com/boycott36-clinton-sanders-late-term-abortion/ that's rather the point, as those are the most medically necessary abortions-never performed unless lives are at stake. ManlyGrunting posted:I'm not sure I can vote for someone who doesn't use the third wish to free the genie. Sorry you have to vote for Gary Johnson, friend.
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stone cold posted:I thought that was one of her first two wishes... I think she's smart/pragmatic enough to burn a wish solely on winning the presidency, rather than getting the Republicans to implode in a manner that, say, involves Trump winning and then ruining them or something. You need to be careful with these things. ManlyGrunting posted:I'm not sure I can vote for someone who doesn't use the third wish to free the genie. Point, but consider what Trump would do with a genie.
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TheGreatGnocchi posted:Well, I guess some good news is Sam Wang's model went up from 99% win to 100% on PEC Wow I didn't think it was possible even for that to happen, but after looking on PEC I think it's just some kind of rounding thing, because if you look at the Election Outcome histogram there are still some (albeit tiny) sims in the trialing indicators that show a Trump win. If it were truly 100% you'd think that'd correlate with all 10000 results showing a Clinton win.
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stone cold posted:that's rather the point, as those are the most medically necessary abortions-never performed unless lives are at stake. I thought the cutoff in sane states was 24 weeks? Either way though, you seem better read on this and I'm a man so I'll give it up. As long as women are comfortable with it her position.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:You vote to run up the score on a fascist. Can I empty-quote this? I really want to, but if not here's a  consolation prize.That's why I'm With Her and going out to volunteer to GOTV later this evening and every evening up to Election Day. Love Trumps Hate, They Go Low We Go High, etc etc.  
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Roland Jones posted:I think she's smart/pragmatic enough to burn a wish solely on winning the presidency, rather than getting the Republicans to implode in a manner that, say, involves Trump winning and then ruining them or something. You need to be careful with these things. Whether or not there's monkey's-paw-like effects depends on the genie, I suppose. If it's like Genie from Aladdin, or I Dream of Jeannie, you might be okay. If it's an rear end in a top hat genie like Norm, then caution is advisable.
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Potato Salad posted:Cubs won. Got a link for those last two?
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ManlyGrunting posted:I'm not sure I can vote for someone who doesn't use the third wish to free the genie. Her third wish is that immediately after voicing her third wish, Donald Trump will find the lamp, the genie will go through the whole "You have three wishes thingy" and then once Donald makes his wish, the genie instead kicks him in the nuts and is freed from his lamp.
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stone cold posted:that's rather the point, as those are the most medically necessary abortions-never performed unless lives are at stake. Johnson's final wish would be to free the Genie, so long as it enters of its own free will into a permanent and binding contract with him to grant whatever further wishes he wants and enforce the non-aggression principal on all mankind via whatever force necessary.
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Mixodorian posted:https://www.scribd.com/document/329698329/TargetSmart-William-Mary-Florida-Poll-of-Early-and-Likely-Voters That's the original poll isn't it? I thought there was more?
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Mixodorian posted:I thought the cutoff in sane states was 24 weeks? Either way though, you seem better read on this and I'm a man so I'll give it up. As long as women are comfortable with it her position. Thanks for being considerate! Just for edification, according to the 'Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act' as upheld in Gonzales v. Carhart (2007), the procedure is banned unless the woman's life is at stake. As for the week cutoff, it really does vary from state to state.
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Liquid Communism posted:Johnson's final wish would be to free the Genie, so long as it enters of its own free will into a permanent and binding contract with him to grant whatever further wishes he wants and enforce the non-aggression principal on all mankind via whatever force necessary. What's an Agrabah?
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Can I empty-quote this? I really want to, but if not here's a I have a ton of concerns about Hillary (mainly the company she keeps) as a firm supporter of Iran and would prefer about a dozen qualified democrats to her, but yeah I'm most likely giving her my vote just to make her vote tally larger. Since her victory over Trump will be a good symbolic repudiation of the white supremacist and sexist elements of society we are struggling against. Saying this as a New Yorker, if I was in a battleground it would've never been a question. I voted for Peta Lindsay in 2012. edit: thanks stone cold for the info! Charlz Guybon posted:That's the original poll isn't it? I thought there was more? Sorry I can't seem to find what I saw earlier, but Lawrence O'Donnell confirmed it on his twitter if you're just looking for a confirmation. From exit interviews. Mixodorian fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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stone cold posted:Whether or not there's monkey's-paw-like effects depends on the genie, I suppose. If it's like Genie from Aladdin, or I Dream of Jeannie, you might be okay. If it's an rear end in a top hat genie like Norm, then caution is advisable. Given this being her life goal, I think she'd be cautious regardless. Anyway, in not-so-happy news, just stumbled across two Bundy-related articles: The Bundy Clan Is Now Calling for Revolution U.S. militia girds for trouble as presidential election nears So, yeah. That's fun.
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Roland Jones posted:Given this being her life goal, I think she'd be cautious regardless. Yeah the eight years of Hillary will be violent unfortunately. We really should have droned them.
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Mixodorian posted:I voted for Peta Lindsay in 2012. Your vote for an ineligible person is still more respectable than my 2012 vote for Jill Stein. 
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Roland Jones posted:Point, but consider what Trump would do with a genie. Grab it by the pussy?
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TheBigAristotle posted:This: lol glad to see even former Klansmen realize the KKK needs a rebrand if they are going to stay relevant
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Donkwich posted:Your vote for an ineligible person is still more respectable than my 2012 vote for Jill Stein. I actually had the pleasure of meeting her, she's an insanely intelligent sister. None of the usual craziness trappings you get from Green candidates Peta actually showed up in a Hillary ad without Peta's permission and she's really not happy about it, weird coincidence.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Nice map of Florida early vote. Eyeballing it, looks good for Dems Agreed. Most every populous county is blue on that map. Even my county is less red that I figured. Horray, I helping.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Nice map of Florida early vote. Eyeballing it, looks good for Dems It looks even better when you view it as a Cartogram. 
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Captain Invictus posted:I've not actually seen David duke physically until now. you loving take that back or i'll fight you skeletor is so much cooler than that shitbird
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Libertine posted:Or the fact that the election rests on a handful of swing states that keep polling back and forth between the candidates and the overall polling this election has been wildly erratic. The no tossup electoral map on RCP right now is 273-265 Clinton. If you think a one-state single digit EV margin = 99-100% chance of victory then I'm not sure what to say at all really. I live in a double-digit (R) state so I don't really have much of a say in this election; but the people who are predicting a roman triumph for Clinton are insane to me. I'm quoting you because you were the last serious post not as an insult or anything. Ok. Holy gently caress you guys calm the gently caress down and have some fun on this victory lap. Clinton's winning you stupid fucks. Also go vote.
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Mixodorian posted:http://www.snopes.com/boycott36-clinton-sanders-late-term-abortion/ You're really mangling the gently caress out of this, let me quote it again here for context: quote:However, Clinton stressed that she objects to the recent efforts in Congress to pass a federal law banning abortions after 20 weeks with no exceptions. "Under Roe v. Wade, it is appropriate to say in these circumstances" that abortion rights may be restricted, she said -- "so long as there's an exception for the life and health of the mother." The standard set in Roe isn't so much a set number of weeks but instead a blend of trimesters and the more nebulous term of "Fetal Viability" including viability only conferred through artificial means (e.g. NICU with breathing assistance due to lovely baby lungs) which means that there may be an argument for a 20-week cutoff (if by cutoff you include week 20 as non-viable) but that's going to be a highly dubious argument since the earliest-known births are still 21 weeks and change. 24 weeks is more of a definite mark but even then it's pretty much a coin flip and I'd personally rather see something closer to 28 or 30 if viability is truly the factor for anti-choice crusaders. Not only would 20 weeks fall afoul of the Roe standard, but it'd fall afoul of legislation Clinton herself cosponsored as a Senator which explicitly prohibits government interference with a woman's right to choose quote:(A) to bear a child; and to clarify the meaning of "Viability" for the purposes of that legislation, quote:(3) VIABILITY.—The term “viability” means that stage of pregnancy when, in the best medical judgment of the attending physician based on the particular medical facts of the case before the physician, there is a reasonable likelihood of the sustained survival of the fetus outside of the woman. That said, there has never been a viable fetus born in the 20th week. They all died shortly after leaving the womb, because even at 21 weeks not only are the lungs not fully developed, other stuff like the digestive tract and circulatory system are iffy as hell. You're still looking at developmental issues continuing through childhood with a 21 week fetus. Now, if you're looking to jump trains and get on the economic access one, Clinton has for years opposed the hyde amendment/supported overturning it, so abortions could get covered under Medicaid. Yes, the economic access aspect (usually with added points about women of color being hardest hit by economic disenfranchisement) of choice is a consistent part of her platform. I mean, anyone who reads up on this kind of thing in places that aren't snopes is going to be at least somewhat aware of the facts - unless they are putting an effort into being pointedly wrong for cryptic reasons.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:I'm quoting you because you were the last serious post not as an insult or anything. This really really really doesn't feel true to me, and actually I'm pretty anxious about it. She hasn't lost yet, but public opinion has momentum, and right now it looks like that momentum is against her. I think she's gonna lose. I already voted for her, and my state is solidly blue, so I feel a bit helpless at the moment.
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We killed Mohammed Mosaddegh getting the ball rolling for Iran to become an Islamic state, Iran becomes an Islamic state, still manages to be less cartoonishly evil than Israel and Saudi Arabia who we play along with. Iran is also the most educated country in the Middle East. Why is my desire for the United States to support Iran on their road of rehabilitation, which has started with electing Rouhani, funny??? (I know the choices were skewed to Khamenei's liking to start, but Iranians going for the moderate option is still a great sign)
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Samfucius posted:This really really really doesn't feel true to me, and actually I'm pretty anxious about it. She hasn't lost yet, but public opinion has momentum, and right now it looks like that momentum is against her. I think she's gonna lose. I already voted for her, and my state is solidly blue, so I feel a bit helpless at the moment. Therapy, it's good.
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