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Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Someone call the JENOVA Convention.

This is a crime against human dignity.

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DICKS FOR DINNER
Sep 6, 2008

Stand Proud
Here's my hot take: every FF other than VIII is good, and VIII is good for the first disc. Or maybe I just have rock bottom standards

Castomira posted:

Let's dispense with any last pretenses of civility. Chrono Cross is better than Chrono Trigger.

What in the

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

FizFashizzle posted:

oh yeah wasn't he a clone or something

artificial life form from another world sent to Gaia to destroy it/steal it's essence

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors




Mel Mudkiper posted:

Someone call the Geneva Convention.

This is a crime against human dignity.


Augus posted:

gently caress oyu

I know I'm already guilty, but please don't feed the troll people. Just report, ignore, and move on.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Castomira posted:

Let's dispense with any last pretenses of civility. Chrono Cross is better than Chrono Trigger.

:stare:

Supraluminal
Feb 17, 2012

Mr. Belding posted:

mcmagic is a good example of how anyone with a heterodox opinion gets dogpiled without anyone meaningfully engaging with their arguments.

I don't know, I posted this:

Supraluminal posted:

Speaking as one ardent Bernie supporter to another, may I kindly ask you to put a sock in it. You're inches away from saying "those darned blacks made my guy lose!" here.

Bernie's weird reticence around discussing race issues outside of an economic context was, and continues to be, a problem and a source of disappointment. I still would prefer him to have won the primary and I even think a hypothetical Sanders Presidency would be better, on the whole, for oppressed groups - aside from his personal awkwardness in talking about some of those issues, I think he has more genuine fire in the belly when it comes to fighting for justice and equality. I think he would probably appoint better people and push harder for good policy even when it's politically inconvenient.

But ultimately, it's not only my decision to make. I voted for him, a lot more people voted for Clinton, and it's not reasonable or fair to say they didn't know what they were doing. If we want the progressive movement to continue to flourish, to capitalize on the awareness that Bernie brought, we have to look critically at the deficiencies in his message and in the movement's message. We can't handwave away the failings of that campaign because that's an enthusiastic first step on the road back to obscurity.

If you want something to hold over the head of Clinton supporters right now in the electability argument (which kind of makes you an rear end in a top hat, IMO), I think the stronger case involves emphasizing his remarkable favorable numbers and lack of ready-made scandals. People overstate the gentleness with which the Clinton campaign treated him; I don't think he gets enough credit for just how much he managed to remain well-liked during the primary.

That being said, what is the use in speculating about how Bernie personally would be doing now? I do think Clinton was a risky choice for the Democratic nominee, and it's reasonable to have a conversation about what the party (and the political left in general) should prioritize in a candidate in the future. We should learn from Clinton's shortcomings just as we should learn from Sanders'. But why frame it as "Bernie would be doing better!" necessarily? He would have been risky as well, albeit in different ways.

I hope that meets your standards for "meaningfully engaging," because I spent way too much time typing it up!

And frankly I probably shouldn't have, because as others have mentioned mcmagic has been beating this dead horse for as long as I can remember in this thread. He doesn't seem to be susceptible to persuasion, he's failing to change anyone else's mind, and yet he can't recognize that that means it's a fruitless avenue of discussion. He apparently has a compulsion to rehash it at every possible opportunity, but this doesn't oblige anyone else to play along with him.

To be fair he did just seem to acknowledge this in the last couple of pages. Let's see if it sticks!

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Let's dispel with this fiction that President Shinra doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Guy Goodbody posted:

What is everybody watching this season? I'm enjoying All Out, Long Riders, and the second season of Iron-Blooded Orphans. Rugby, bicycling, and giant robots, everything I want in anime

Yuri!!! On Ice if you want gay figure skating action. (You want gay figure skating action)

Celery Jello
Mar 21, 2005
Slippery Tilde

totally unrelated but it tickles me to see people actually using that, I was worried it was gonna wither and die



you stole my joke, rear end in a top hat

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer
mods please ban all anime

not just anime chat, ALL anime

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Samuel Clemens posted:

Let's dispel with this fiction that President Shinra doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Donald Trump Jr is no Rufus Shinra.

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

No, polls gauging informed voters usually ask basic questions like:

Who is the VP?
Who is Speaker?
Name 1 SC Justice
Can you explain a recent major piece of legislation or issue?
What is the electoral college?
Who are the presidential and vice presidential nominees?
Is Obama / McCain / Romney a Senator, Governor, or Congressman?

lol is this an AP government quiz?

There's plenty of political ignorance to go around for the American public, and pretty much any poll you dig out will tell you that a higher education level does trend well with being better politically informed. Another good indicator is where they get their news. And across the board, Millennials consistently go for better news sources even though they maintain the same level of distrust as older generations do.

Which leads me to my next point

computer parts posted:

Which means jack poo poo if you're not actively looking for political news.

lol, what proof do you have Millennials don't read the news?

Look, just walk away with the fact that your typical millennials is less likely to be a racist shitbag and that young millennials, regardless of race, tend to hold consistently better views.

As for voter turnout, it has always been an issue of disenfranchisement. You wouldn't go up to a black person and say "lol, you turnout less because you're less politically informed"

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/794197498810212352

That's nice.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Augus posted:

Hillary would be a meek defense attorney who can't do anything while Trump would stand up for himself like the badass dominant man he is

everytime trump talks about his special prosecutor I think of manfred von karma

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Samuel Clemens posted:

Let's dispel with this fiction that President Shinra doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

And Cloud implied if my materia supply is small, something else must be small... I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee it.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



Another NH poll, from American Research Group, showing Trump up 5 points. What the hell New Hampshire?

Failboattootoot
Feb 6, 2011

Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

Roland Jones posted:

I think it's at least partly how we're taught about racism in school and media and stuff as well. Like, I remember learning that it's bad, and learning of examples of it, but they were all things like slurs or open discrimination, and while it didn't teach me that racism didn't exist anymore (I remember chastising my grandparents and other relatives for saying racist things back when my age was in the single digits even) I had no knowledge of the many, considerably more subtle and insidious ways it takes shape.

I think this is also a good point, it was a long time after high school before I even vaguely began to understand the concept of systemic racism as it applies in the modern day.

Unrelated, FF14 is the best FF.

Unrelated to both, I just early voted in San Antonio. There was no line and the ballot was incredibly heartening. There were a whole lot of positions with dems running unopposed and that is a far cry from the last several times I voted where it was a slew of unopposed republicans. I'm really curious what caused that,

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kit Walker posted:

Yuri!!! On Ice if you want gay figure skating action. (You want gay figure skating action)

Just from the character designs I'm pretty sure the All Out guy must've gotten his start drawing gay porn. That is a lot of loving attention to muscles

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Kit Walker posted:

Yuri!!! On Ice if you want gay figure skating action. (You want gay figure skating action)

What everyone wants are child soldiers killing all the rear end in a top hat adults in the room. Without having to be weighed down with emotional existential breakdowns every 10 minutes.

Rabble
Dec 3, 2005

Pillbug

Is this guy using the anti-semetic parenthesis ironically?

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

canepazzo posted:

Another NH poll, from American Research Group, showing Trump up 5 points. What the hell New Hampshire?

libertarian shithole

TheKennedys
Sep 23, 2006

By my hand, I will take you from this godforsaken internet

Castomira posted:

Let's dispense with any last pretenses of civility. Chrono Cross is better than Chrono Trigger.

fight me

also, SNES Ogre Battle and FF6 are clearly the best in their respective series. FF9 is an underappreciated gem. 8 is on my list of things I don't believe in, with Highlander 2 and Robocop 3. Ogre Battle was one of those games I min-maxed the poo poo out of at age 12 and has been a nagging favorite ever since. I still have the cartridge, but I still have all my cartridges.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Rabble posted:

Is this guy using the anti-semetic parenthesis ironically?

The (((Ancients)))

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
This was probably the scariest moment in all the Final Fantasy games, though.

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx
Tidus is arguably the best FF protagonist, ultimately the most selfless one, that will forever be mischaracterized based one a handful of scenes.

Also I'm about 10 pages late but don't criticize anti-PC culture while making a "triggered" reference, y'all. God bless.

hcreight
Mar 19, 2007

My name is Oliver Queen...
Goddamnit, Vox.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


We're gonna build a wall and we're gonna make Wutai pay for it

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Rabble posted:

Is this guy using the anti-semetic parenthesis ironically?

He is. Harry is Jewish.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

bhsman posted:

Tidus is arguably the best FF protagonist, ultimately the most selfless one, that will forever be mischaracterized based one a handful of scenes.

Tidus is white male selfishness personified

"This is our most sacred tradition"

'I THINK ITS STUPID"

"This temple is forbidden to outsiders"

"I AM GOING IN"

"Summoner Yuna is breaking a thousand year cycle of death in Spira"

"THIS IS MY STORY"

Paint Crop Pro
Mar 22, 2007

Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.



Final Fantasy VII is a great game that has its flaws.

That being said being angsty isnt one of them. Thats more on the community reaction to it and the post game materials turning the angst up to 11.

Elentor's LP did a fantastic job of showing why FFVII was a spectacular game and everyone should read it

http://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-VII/

That being said IX probably had the best world, X had the best job/magic system.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/794199062677520384

Another good ad.

bowser
Apr 7, 2007

http://twitter.com/zachhaller/status/794185094181158912


:siren: RIGGED :siren:

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Agrajag posted:

What everyone wants are child soldiers killing all the rear end in a top hat adults in the room. Without having to be weighed down with emotional existential breakdowns every 10 minutes.

But enough about Trump's fan-fiction

kaleedity
Feb 27, 2016



Samuel Clemens posted:

Let's dispel with this fiction that President Shinra doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

what we need to do is bring back mako jobs. Shinra will end the war on mako.

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Tidus is white male selfishness personified

"This is our most sacred tradition"

'I THINK ITS STUPID"

"This temple is forbidden to outsiders"

"I AM GOING IN"

"Summoner Yuna is breaking a thousand year cycle of death in Spira"

"THIS IS MY STORY"

Thanks for proving my point.

Celery Jello
Mar 21, 2005
Slippery Tilde

I'm assuming my inability to get this ad to load is not the intended joke, but I'm going to pretend it is.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Agrajag posted:

What everyone wants are child soldiers killing all the rear end in a top hat adults in the room. Without having to be weighed down with emotional existential breakdowns every 10 minutes.

I was worried this season wouldn't have enough Mika murdering dudes. Silly me

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I reallly can't help it anymore, I have to say this.

If your constantly telling people to vote Hillary because she's not perfect or do any share your dream of a perfect socialist utopia. Go gently caress yourself. Suck my dick. Kiss my rear end. Eat poo poo. You Are The Fuckng Worst.

What's happening at standing rock REALLY sucks. I get it. I agree. But for some of us, we don't get the luxury of deciding a if there is someone better than Hillary.

A Turmp presidency may mean I am out of a job
A Trump presidency may mean I can't leave my house as my true self for fear of being attacked
A Trump presidency may mean my rights could be stripped from me
A Trump presidency may mean a straight up denial of my personhood
A Trump presidency may mean many of my people and other minority groups will be stomped on for a long time

So gently caress tou for trying to tell me your third party candidate is the correct choice if I'm a liberal.

And if you think me looking out for myself is tribilsum, selfish, and exactly what th burgoise want me to do. You Can Suck My Dick.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Geoff Peterson posted:

I'd like to submit the last few pages ITT as exhibit A in how a woman can clear the field of meaningful challengers in a primary, be projected for the largest electoral and popular margins in at least 20 years, and become the first woman president in the country's history... and not only receive zero credit, but have it be in spite of her.

We've already had 3 decades of "unlikeable", get ready for an upswing in... "has created a West Wing culture dominated by drama, gossip, and pettiness".

Oh gently caress, you're right.

Edit:

Guy Goodbody posted:

First female protagonist for a mainline FF game, or course the nerd bros come out in droves to proclaim "NOT MUH FINAL FANTASY!"

Well, look who wasn't paying attention in 12.

Although I could see the argument that Balthier Was Right. :v:

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Nov 3, 2016

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canepazzo
May 29, 2006



Trade NH for AZ?

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/794199617923665920

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