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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

BeanBandit posted:

I know, man. I loving know. I get it, and I hate it.

I get it. STEM does attract some of the worst kind of libertarian, FYGM assholes, and it shouldn't be that way. This year especially, I desperately want to make people understand that it's not my field of study or career that's opposed to women or people of color or LGBT.

Do you have any advice on how to work towards that and make things better? I pride myself on my intelligence, but this is a nut I don't know how to crack. :(

It's an absolute ton of small stuff that I really don't think I can properly get across in a small post, but keep in mind concerns of people who aren't white guys. Amplify their voice so they don't get drowned out and their ideas taken credit for. If you get a chance point out the issue with things like a hiring policy that's striving for absolute 100% certainty (that more than minimizing risk it's maximizing for implicit bias). When dealing with people outside the field, create an impression of a better field and when inside it try to live up to it.

I'm sure people who aren't white dudes have others and I'd love it if they contributed them.

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Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

i am a computer programmer and i have a degree in poetry composition. i am consistently ranked higher in my company than dudes with masters degrees in computer science. your loving degree does not make you special and your job does not make you special.

it is cool to have a programming job because you can get paid and save for the future, but that doesn't make you inherently make you better or smarter than someone teaching high school or working at a taco bell or running an alternative poetry jam blog and pirate radio station. it just makes you a person with a good job. congratulations, you got a good job. no need to be a dick about it.

Well, to be honest, getting a masters in CS is usually a bad idea as CS moves quickly and the time you spend specializing makes you worse at stuff in general, ironically.


Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Yeah they got wise after last time


My grandmother was a feminist before she knew that was a term, and her understanding of feminism was very simple: "There's no such thing as 'just for boys.'" She was an english teacher, and she spent her whole life taking a hammer to any glass ceiling her students hit. Way before Title IX she fought to get girls into sports. When the local little league team barred one of her female students from joining she checked a book about baseball out of the library and started an all-girl team, coaching them herself. She kept a list of female firsts her students had achieved - first runner in a local marathon, first city councilwoman, and she would read that list at the start of the school year and ask her kids what they wanted to add to the list. Former students of hers would come by and add to the list up until the day she died. We read the whole three-ring binder of them at her funeral.

Don't be depressed. She planted those trees knowing we'd be the ones who got to sit in their shade.

That's one hell of a life.

comingafteryouall
Aug 2, 2011


Guys, who would Agent Fox Mulder voted for? Scully would have obviously voted for Clinton, but I honestly don't know about Mulder.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



STEM-chat:

I am a math and computer science major, and 10 years later the class that most profoundly impacted me was called "Understanding the World Through Reading", a class I took to fulfill a humanities requirement. We'd read an assigned book once a week (Grapes of Wrath, Brave New World, Catch-22, Oedipus Rex, Gulliver's Travels, etc.), write a reaction paper (literally any reaction we had to the book), and then have a 2.5 hour discussion moderated by the professor and grad student.

Not only did I learn to read more thoughtfully, but I feel like that was when I started actually caring about the world beyond myself.

Meanwhile, while I appreciate the new things I learned in my STEM classes and that my degrees help my resume, I don't feel like I actually learned that much in my major classes that I couldn't have just picked up on my own.

Point being: nothing wrong with being a STEM person especially if you enjoy that stuff (I do), but please please be well rounded and consider having hobbies other than coding or gaming or whatever the gently caress else.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

comingafteryouall posted:

Guys, who would Agent Fox Mulder voted for? Scully would have obviously voted for Clinton, but I honestly don't know about Mulder.

Depends on how Hillary responded to that aliens email

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

mcmagic posted:

Why aren't you as angry as I am that we're at the place we are now 5 days before the election where the most disgusting human being to ever run for president keeps gaining ground on a flawed democrat?

Because, unlike you, we're capable of understanding that the magical super-candidate who exists only in our mind isn't the one who would be running if they actually won. I am a Sanders supporter and I am under no impression that Sanders would have effortlessly weathered the GOP shitstorm. You refuse to acknowledge that and just keep demanding the idea that Sanders would have been flawless and perfect because of UNFAVORABLES, ignoring the repeated point that Clinton's unfavorables are with the exact people Sanders would have a hard time having any impact on and an easy time being demonized to.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

comingafteryouall posted:

Guys, who would Agent Fox Mulder voted for? Scully would have obviously voted for Clinton, but I honestly don't know about Mulder.

Mulder almost certainly doesnt vote

Milosh
Oct 14, 2000
Forum Veteran

comingafteryouall posted:

Guys, who would Agent Fox Mulder voted for? Scully would have obviously voted for Clinton, but I honestly don't know about Mulder.

Gary Johnson

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

ImpAtom posted:

They aren't wrong in that Hillary Clinton is closer to old-school conservatism than the tea party Trump bullshit is. So is Jill Stein for that matter though.

Yeah, but Stein gets there through the "I'm an idiot and don't understand this poo poo" door

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


im gay

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

comingafteryouall posted:

Guys, who would Agent Fox Mulder voted for? Scully would have obviously voted for Clinton, but I honestly don't know about Mulder.

Mulder knows that the organization controls everything and that voting is pointless.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

lozzle posted:

Some of us math majors go on to study PDEs anyways because we hate ourselves.

I got my Diff Eq credit for basically about two weeks on them as an application of linear algebra: differentiation is a linear operator, so for a homogenous equation you're just looking for a basis for the kernel, and if you have an orthogonal set that maps to it of the right size....

And the other forms? Well, who cares. It's not a service class for the engineering department.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

comingafteryouall posted:

Guys, who would Agent Fox Mulder voted for? Scully would have obviously voted for Clinton, but I honestly don't know about Mulder.

Mulder would have badly acted like he voted Clinton but everyone would see through his stilted performance and know he voted Trump for making conspiracy theories mainstream.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

greatn posted:

I don't think Nate is a pollster, but I do think his model should incorporate early voting as a sanity check on the polls it uses.

There are no Early Voting numbers to incorporate into his model that mean anything in any scientific sense.

The only data you'll get out of Early Voting is number of ballots by Party ID. Some states, but not all, will also tell you the racial breakdown of the vote. You can get some general ideas, but sense there's no way to gauge how much of the total vote early voting will make up, you can't do much more than that.

Feral Integral
Jun 6, 2006

YOSPOS

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

i am a computer programmer and i have a degree in poetry composition. i am consistently ranked higher in my company than dudes with masters degrees in computer science. your loving degree does not make you special and your job does not make you special.

it is cool to have a programming job because you can get paid and save for the future, but that doesn't make you inherently make you better or smarter than someone teaching high school or working at a taco bell or running an alternative poetry jam blog and pirate radio station. it just makes you a person with a good job. congratulations, you got a good job. no need to be a dick about it.

Stop anti-stem knighting, you loving traitor

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

ImpAtom posted:

Because, unlike you, we're capable of understanding that the magical super-candidate who exists only in our mind isn't the one who would be running if they actually won. I am a Sanders supporter and I am under no impression that Sanders would have effortlessly weathered the GOP shitstorm. You refuse to acknowledge that and just keep demanding the idea that Sanders would have been flawless and perfect because of UNFAVORABLES, ignoring the repeated point that Clinton's unfavorables are with the exact people Sanders would have a hard time having any impact on and an easy time being demonized to.

He's not flawless. He would also not be sinking like a stone all around the country like she is.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
I wonder if we had a hypothetical Dem primary where the only options were black women, would mcmagic spontaneously combust?

BlueberryCanary
Mar 18, 2016
I am somewhat nervous, tbh, that the FBI hates Hillary so much that they would be willing to falsify evidence against her.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Can someone just prob mcmagic until the 9th

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Lightning Knight posted:

I wonder if we had a hypothetical Dem primary where the only options were black women, would mcmagic spontaneously combust?

He'd turn republican so fast it would make Dennis Miller's head spin, and he'd get amnesia about ever having voted blue

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.

mcmagic posted:

Why aren't you as angry as I am that we're at the place we are now 5 days before the election where the most disgusting human being to ever run for president keeps gaining ground on a flawed democrat? This election should've been a laugher.
Because the primary is loving over and we don't get a do-over just because you don't like HRC.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Submarine Sandpaper posted:

Can someone just prob mcmagic until the 9th

he's not that bad

OniPanda
May 13, 2004

OH GOD BEAR




Phone posted:

Calc 2 is bullshit and memorizing trig transforms can suck my butt.

Many people said calc 2 was the worst. Not me, that poo poo was cake. I didn't even memorize the shortcuts for the trig transforms, I just really grasped the concept and rolled with it.

gently caress me if I could remember any of it now.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Lightning Knight posted:

I have no clue what that means.

a) history major who learned R

b) https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/293454323403350019

The GIG
Jun 28, 2011

Yeah, I say "Shit" a shit-ton of times. What of it, shithead?

mcmagic posted:

He's not flawless. He would also not be sinking like a stone all around the country like she is.

You're right, he sank like a stone before he even got to the end of the primary.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
Imagine an election where the only options were lesbian, black women. Would American racisms ritualistically commit suicide?

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Yeah they got wise after last time


My grandmother was a feminist before she knew that was a term, and her understanding of feminism was very simple: "There's no such thing as 'just for boys.'" She was an english teacher, and she spent her whole life taking a hammer to any glass ceiling her students hit. Way before Title IX she fought to get girls into sports. When the local little league team barred one of her female students from joining she checked a book about baseball out of the library and started an all-girl team, coaching them herself. She kept a list of female firsts her students had achieved - first runner in a local marathon, first city councilwoman, and she would read that list at the start of the school year and ask her kids what they wanted to add to the list. Former students of hers would come by and add to the list up until the day she died. We read the whole three-ring binder of them at her funeral.

Don't be depressed. She planted those trees knowing we'd be the ones who got to sit in their shade.

She's super cool, we owe her a great debt, and I think that without people like her doing that, I can't be sure I'd feel the same way, so I owe her a great debt personally.

mcmagic posted:

Why? Latinos would be voting in droves against Trump no matter who the dem nominee is.

Do you take it for granted that any candidate would have pulled the incoherent gibbering madness out of trump as well as Hillary?

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

freckle posted:

Where can you find those? Japan?

germany, in my case. and yeah, my mom actually did work as a cleaning lady for a long time because we're poor as poo poo. then during the winter she fell and broke both her wrists, so she had to stop. so if you ever feel the need to make fun of cleaning crews: don't. they're just trying to get by. my mom is a trained notary public's assistant as well.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
Like, if the Dems continue to nominate people mcmagic types can't see in the mirror we're going to permanently lose a segment of white male voters. I personally am fine with that and I think the demographic changes can absorb it, but we should brace ourselves now for some panic a few cycles on when people start to notice the exodus.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

mcmagic posted:

He's not flawless. He would also not be sinking like a stone all around the country like she is.

Oh? Says who? Please note that even if you believe the Clinton emails were responsible for any change in polls (and many polls have not shown a significant change, something you're ignoring), the emails were literally an entirely manufactured scandal. There is no reason to assume there wouldn't be something bullshit for Bernie Sanders. There's also no reason to inherently assume Sanders would have won the debates, Sanders would have the exact same minority support, Sanders would not have had any health problems (he's older than Clinton and Trump!) or countless other things.

Your assumption is that a theoretical Sanders At His Best would have done better than Clinton In Reality. You're comparing an ideal to someone who actually had to campaign.

SavageBastard
Nov 16, 2007
Professional Lurker

mcmagic posted:

Why aren't you as angry as I am that we're at the place we are now 5 days before the election where the most disgusting human being to ever run for president keeps gaining ground on a flawed democrat? This election should've been a laugher.

As opposed to the perfect socialist that I assume you supported?

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Like, if the Dems continue to nominate people mcmagic types can't see in the mirror we're going to permanently lose a segment of white male voters.

I nominate we call this "the Ghostbusters effect"

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
Bernie Sanders would be significantly outpolling Hillary due to his inability to use email.

All of his messages are delivered via carrier pigeon; verbally.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I nominate we call this "the Ghostbusters effect"

Just in time for Democratic Nominee Leslie Jones

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Like, if the Dems continue to nominate people mcmagic types can't see in the mirror we're going to permanently lose a segment of white male voters. I personally am fine with that and I think the demographic changes can absorb it, but we should brace ourselves now for some panic a few cycles on when people start to notice the exodus.

This is, in fact, the white nationalism referendum.

BlueberryCanary
Mar 18, 2016

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

Because the primary is loving over and we don't get a do-over just because you don't like HRC.

OK but what people really want to know is who would win in an election against Trump: Batman or Superman?

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Gyges posted:

The only data you'll get out of Early Voting is number of ballots by Party ID. Some states, but not all, will also tell you the racial breakdown of the vote. You can get some general ideas, but sense there's no way to gauge how much of the total vote early voting will make up, you can't do much more than that.

There are some polls specifically targetting people who've already voted. We've had one from Florida earlier today.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Like, if the Dems continue to nominate people mcmagic types can't see in the mirror we're going to permanently lose a segment of white male voters. I personally am fine with that and I think the demographic changes can absorb it, but we should brace ourselves now for some panic a few cycles on when people start to notice the exodus.

That exodus mostly happened years ago.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Potato Salad posted:

This is, in fact, the white nationalism referendum.

Really? I thought they were just bitching about "white genocide"

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WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

We have an Actual Election happening in 5 days but lots of people want to talk about the Hypothetical Election that is never occurring, which is weird.

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