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Chard posted:Can someone help me out with understanding the impacts of CA Prop 61? If it passes it would cap state agency payments for drugs to what the VA has negotiated with the industry. That sounds nice but I'm concerned companies will just jack up prices on other drugs, or flat-out refuse to meet those conditions, so it ends up restricting patient access. Both sides seem to have supporters that I agree with on other issues. I'm leaning towards No right now over those concerns, what do other CA goons think? The drug companies jack up the prices and reduce availability of drugs (to jack up the price of drugs) to patients already. As someone who's been in the pharmacy biz for 10 years now: gently caress drug companies. As a Californian I've learned that propositions are full of weasel-wording and can't be fully trusted. Instead, look who's putting money up for or against a prop. No on 61 is funded by Pfizer and Eli Lilly. This tells me everything I needed to know.
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Farchanter posted:CNN tomorrow: "Hillary Clinton connected to comedy forum previously investigated by FBI for terroristic threats." Why would people be shocked at the Sec of State having links to the CIA?
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Farchanter posted:CNN tomorrow: "Hillary Clinton connected to comedy forum previously investigated by FBI for terroristic threats." we were investigated by the FBI?
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Farchanter posted:CNN tomorrow: "Hillary Clinton connected to comedy forum previously investigated by FBI for terroristic threats." It comes full circle: Something Awful spawned 4chan which spawned the alt-right; now Hillary Clinton's candidacy will be sunk by SA in the final moments of the campaign
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Cimber posted:we were investigated by the FBI? The FBI investigates things that actually exist?
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Masha Gessen's "The New Politics of Conspiracy" at the New York Review is very good.Masha Gessen posted:What has not emerged in the course of the US presidential campaign is any advance in the discussion of the US’s Russia policy. This omission is tragic and dangerous. Had a substantive conversation on Russia taken place, the former secretary of state would have enjoyed a great advantage because she knows what she is talking about and may indeed have a policy to put forward. Instead, in keeping with the conspiracy world view, she has engaged Trump in a spat about who is and is not a Putin puppet and in one-upmanship about who will be tougher on Russia. (Clinton has called for an escalation of US involvement in Syria, for example, aimed at gaining “leverage” over Russia; though it is far from clear how this might occur in practice.) It's worth a read in its entirety. By the way, it's hard to think of any writer who has done more to directly challenge Vladimir Putin.
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Alan Smithee posted:speaking of economy stupid, friend at a party was saying that Bill Clinton was actually responsible for destroying the middle class and I generally only read magazines where the put pages together and it makes an outline of a dude farting fire, so uh, what's that all about In reality, Presidents usually have little direct control over economic policy. They're responsible for bringing the negotiators to the table and selling the result to the American people. The socialist line isn't much different than what you're hearing from Trump's anti-NAFTA spew, which originated from over ten years of Democrat congressional control favor swapping prior to Clinton signing it. The teenage anti-WTO protestor of the last twenty years is basically a paleo-conservative middle aged adult today.
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Yaws posted:I regret voting for Hillary now Lena Dunham Is The Voice Of A Generation
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GalacticAcid posted:Masha Gessen's "The New Politics of Conspiracy" at the New York Review is very good. Samuel Clemens posted:https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/794309382246977540?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Please please blue Florida I need to eventually go to bed on Nov 8th
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Denzer posted:My god it's really going to happen, the last minute Friday FBI powerbomb. And won't matter because 11th hour releases aren't actually a great way to hurt elections.
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It is unfuckingbelievable to me that this whole goddamn email mess has nothing to do with any nefarious criminal action in particular that Clinton undertook, like organizing a break-in to the GOP HQ or some such thing. It's not a search for evidence of a crime, it's a search for evidence of evidence and it's such a load of bullshit I can't stand to think about it.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The free trade policy NAFTA destroyed a lot of good blue collar middle class jobs. No it did not, as the vast majority of those died in the 70s and 80s. Very little actually left after NAFTA was signed by President Bush in December 1992, or after it started going into effect in 1994.
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Cimber posted:So who plans on getting really drunk election night so they can pass out and not deal with the nerve racking, breathless up to the minute election coverage, and wake up the next day with a big hangover to find out who won? I'm probably not going to get pass out drunk, but I do plan on showing up to the place I used to drink at regularly until a deplorable shithead started working the bar pretty much every night. According to one of my friends he's gone off the deep end this election so I'm going to show up there with a growler labeled "RON'S TEARS" and have him fill it for me.
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Samuel Clemens posted:https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/794309382246977540?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw What the gently caress is wrong with Cubans that they actually skew Republican? Some sort of "we're not the dirty kind of Hispanic" poo poo?
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illcendiary posted:What the gently caress is wrong with Cubans that they actually skew Republican? Some sort of "we're not the dirty kind of Hispanic" poo poo? I think the base-line assumption is that left-leaning Cubans didn't want to flee. That being said, I think it has gotten more complicated since then.
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freebooter posted:OK, didn't know about the house voting on a deadlock. I guess it's a moot point anyway, he's not going to flip NH without also taking Michigan or something. Three NH polls came out today. They are Trump +1, Trump +5, and a tie.
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illcendiary posted:What the gently caress is wrong with Cubans that they actually skew Republican? Some sort of "we're not the dirty kind of Hispanic" poo poo? It's mor elike the older generation of Cubans are running from Castro and are scared of the US turning out the same way.
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BigRed0427 posted:It's mor elike the older generation of Cubans are running from Castro and are scared of the US turning out the same way. Ah, I see.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/794259252613414915 It's such a sad pic. A lonely man, sitting in an airplane, watching his wife give a speech on TV. You can also make out his reading glasses. Dick Trauma posted:It is unfuckingbelievable to me that this whole goddamn email mess has nothing to do with any nefarious criminal action in particular that Clinton undertook, like organizing a break-in to the GOP HQ or some such thing. It's not a search for evidence of a crime, it's a search for evidence of evidence and it's such a load of bullshit I can't stand to think about it. illcendiary posted:What the gently caress is wrong with Cubans that they actually skew Republican? Some sort of "we're not the dirty kind of Hispanic" poo poo?
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:Three NH polls came out today. Shook Nate is arzying about that rn
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Spoondick posted:The drug companies jack up the prices and reduce availability of drugs (to jack up the price of drugs) to patients already. As someone who's been in the pharmacy biz for 10 years now: gently caress drug companies. As a Californian I've learned that propositions are full of weasel-wording and can't be fully trusted. Instead, look who's putting money up for or against a prop. No on 61 is funded by Pfizer and Eli Lilly. This tells me everything I needed to know. It's a pretty major case of the prop-writers' hearts being in the right place but the prop's wording having a whole bunch of unintended and really bad consequences.
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illcendiary posted:What the gently caress is wrong with Cubans that they actually skew Republican? Some sort of "we're not the dirty kind of Hispanic" poo poo?
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illcendiary posted:What the gently caress is wrong with Cubans that they actually skew Republican? Some sort of "we're not the dirty kind of Hispanic" poo poo? crazy ex girlfriend who got kicked out of fidel's place. Her poo poo's still there and to be fair he was a lovely neighbor so we took her in but she's still holding grudges even though he's a couple summers away from a wellness check due to a foul smell during a record heat
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Cingulate posted:Is the hispanic turnout also higher? Read the article linked in the tweet and find out. The answer is yes.
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GalacticAcid posted:Masha Gessen's "The New Politics of Conspiracy" at the New York Review is very good. Yeah, this is good. I've had a sense that the Russian attacks wouldn't be a good avenue for me to take in more personal arguments, this really puts it into words. I don't mind this poo poo flying around on the outskirts of media, but I really think Clinton would have been better served leaving it alone until/if we had hard proof. Trump's paranoid style is obviously extremely damaging to political discourse and Clinton shouldn't lower herself to that level. The hacking of the emails and the email investigation are tough to navigate, so I don't blame them too much, though.
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Yaws posted:I regret voting for Hillary now Funny or die, you say? I'll take death, please, thanks. No, no, I don't need to watch the whole video, the preview screen and title is enough. I'll go with firing squad. Extra charge for more than one shooter? Alright fine, just give me the gun. 
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:Shook Nate is arzying about that rn Poor nate.
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Sorry if this was posted but did we all see this? Thread moves fast but I think we all deserve not missing it https://twitter.com/areyousurebruv/status/791858718967107584
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Clinton has won Nevada http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog quote:UPDATE: The Nevada Early Voting Blog
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:Three NH polls came out today. PPPP told people it isn't happening rather dismissively. Could be arrogance. Could be promotion of their own polls. Could be that he isn't flipping and those polls were wrong.
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Bhaal posted:Sorry if this was posted but did we all see this? Thread moves fast but I think we all deserve not missing it But in that case, Johnson might just be a good alternative to Trump!
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The free trade policy NAFTA destroyed a lot of good blue collar middle class jobs. Clinton also famously repealed a lot of the financial regulation that was implemented after the great depression to prevent it happening again. A decade later it kinda happened again, much to the detriment of the middle class. Susan Sarandon and Medea Benjamin will refer to Hillary as President C-Word by the end of her first term.
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Covok posted:PPPP told people it isn't happening rather dismissively. Could be arrogance. Could be promotion of their own polls. Could be that he isn't flipping and those polls were wrong. Could also be that a tear has occurred in the space-time continuum, and the multiplication of different realities overlapping with each other in random places is causing chaos in polling.
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Covok posted:PPPP told people it isn't happening rather dismissively. Could be arrogance. Could be promotion of their own polls. Could be that he isn't flipping and those polls were wrong. They don't have any polls to promote, atm. I'm willing to believe them if they say their own results contradict the ones we've seen. It's a bit of a moot point either way because with NV looking like a done deal, Clinton won't need NH to win.
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Cingulate posted:It seems so many Trump voters vote for the Orange Clown cause they just want to see the world burn. "Shake things up". Why not try something radically new, like a bad temper and gross incompetence? How did he get elected Governor again?
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:How did he get elected Governor again? Leadership.
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