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Tom Guycot posted:I think the problem is just that you have to look at the internet back then. The only people bothering with all of this were for the most part, from a very very very specific demographic. You didn't have as much angry fighting like that because there wasn't as much disagreement in general about the big picture. Sure you might find slap fights about captain kirk vs. picard, but no one outside of a total loon cares enough to try and get into someones real life over that. Fast forward to people who are gay, minority, transgendered, women, real things that are the core of someone conflicting in a real way with people who are polar opposites. The old walled gardens of AOL etc had plenty of moderation to make sure that, to think of an example I remember actually existing, the Gay & Lesbian section wasn't under attack. I actually think the Internet felt "bigger" back then, and part of it is that we hadn't allowed a few profile-driven data mining sites to be such a powerful focus of our time. Even stuff like FYAG and /b/ existed in those days, it was a newsgroup called alt.tasteless; but internet discussion was so wide and varied that you could not successfully invade and disrupt civil conversations the way 4chan can invade Twitter or the way one unruly subreddit can ruin Reddit for everyone else.
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Admiral Ray posted:This is pretty much why Trump is the anti-PC candidate. Every article/story/interaction I've had with Trump supporters has resulted in them saying that they feel they can't speak anymore without being attacked and so they have lost their voice in this country. That would only be true if what they wanted to say was racist, sexist, and/or homophobic. Which in the case of Trump's base, it is.
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VirtualStranger posted:Just a reminder that the FOP and the majority of police unions are backing actual criminal Donald Trump.
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Artificer posted:haha good joke Better than teaming up with randos waiting for the HART, I think it was called?
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stone cold posted:John Oliver did a great segment on school segregation last week, and they showed like a 'school swap.' Oh god. That literally happened at my high school. They took some kids from That Poor City High School and had them sit in on class with us at That Cliche Suburbia High School. Then the kids tore our (awful) principal a new one when they got asked what they thought of the place at the end of the day. There was never another visit. I still can't believe I saw that happen. It was undoubtedly one of the most unintentionally cruel things I've witnessed, dangling our facilities and classes right in front of them when there was never any way for them to actually enroll in our school district.
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Munkeymon posted:poo poo like this is why I want to live in the 'bad' school district with all the kids of color and/or immigrants. Girlfriend insists we need to move to a 'good' district but I'm more concerned hypothetical kids will turn into lovely adults who fear 'the other' than that they might have a slightly worse education. I went to lovely schools most of my life. Like, horrifically lovely. My history books didn't cover the CRA because it hadn't happened when the book was printed and this was grade school in the 90s, and I'm still a MENSA level genius. That has to do with a) genetics and b) my grandmother and mother having fucktons of books and encouraging me to read any and everything, and my mom being an accountant and throwing math questions at me rapid fire until I was in high school. Familial encouragement of knowledge I feel is the most crucial factor, especially at very very young ages (toddler-pre-k ages).
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Ein Sexmonster posted:Trump's hotels are already failing because of the hit to his image. He's permanently tainted his brand to a large portion of the populace, especially the wealthy. The wealthy already knew Trump was a garbage human being. They only care now because he's made it abundantly clear to everyone else as well.
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Admiral Ray posted:I subscribe to the belief of ultimate responsibility. The admins have the ultimate say of what is and isn't allowed and so bear the ultimate moral responsibility for the content they allowed on the site. Not being able to keep up means they knowingly allowed a thriving child porn exchange to develop and ignored it despite the clear and obvious danger of having a subreddit dedicated to sexualizing minors administered by a creepy weirdo. They should have shut that poo poo down from the word go and are hosed up trash people as a result. If you recall far back enough or ask someone who was here back in the day SA was a warez site for a long time and ADTRW had a no joke thriving community of pedos on it before they got flushed and exiled to form websites like 4chan. I'm 31 and have been on web forums since I was 11. I've seen that play out half a dozen times over different sites over and over again. Not exactly the same, but toxic communities forming, establishing their own quiet culture and then having their behaviors normalized. Then they get louder, people from outside of those communities notice in large enough numbers and things break apart. You don't even have to go back particularly far. GBS 1.0 was a SJW paradise and a news aggregator, but the content was pretty stellar. The SJW thing blew up after Doobie's Dog House became a thing and we got GBS 2.0. GBS 2.0 was toxic, racist, often unfunny and almost always low to no effort. They often crushed those high content posts that came around yearly. Sometimes for good reasons because weird poo poo was discovered, sometimes because everything was on fire and it spread until poo poo calmed down, but now we're on the next issue of it. I don't go back anymore as the news isn't there. I liked GBS being my news aggregator because unlike reddit the most popular votes don't go to the top and digital manipulation in order to shape public perception is definitely a thing from individuals to small companies to even governments. Barring that sometimes someone hooks onto an idea that sounds correct but is actually wrong, but the fact that it was upvote worthy means that it's been made fact by popularity rather than veracity. While SA wasn't immune from that, it's more resistant. The discussions could also be longer form and ever changing rather than having a thousand different shots in the dark where your ideas are rated and internet points are like some sort of goal. I've seen this poo poo happen over and over on other websites. Small ones, big ones, boutique ones with less than fifty members, etc. Even reddit resisting getting rid of r/jailbait and r/coontown wasn't exactly new in my experience as it's easier to pretend you don't have a problem than have a problem AND despite that poo poo being foul if you allow censorship you have to dictate what those guidelines for censorship are. How loose or how strict. The easier path is definitely no censorship beyond what's strictly legal. After all, GBS to a lesser extent was sort of where reddit was in terms of that censorship ten or fifteen years ago. I think what changed webforums the most over the years was the introduction of John Q. Public to them. Pre-social media they were really only for nerds. Now they're for everyone. The echo chambers were always there, but now they're bigger and louder than they ever were. Grandma is on facebook and it's weird when it started it was only allowing college students to create an account when it was shiny and new. I read reddit, but primarily smaller niche subforums. I post at SA. I like the format better even if it isn't perfect and the  format works for me in enforcing a certain quality control.
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Ein Sexmonster posted:That would only be true if what they wanted to say was racist, sexist, and/or homophobic. Which in the case of Trump's base, it is. The problem occurs when someone enters such an overwrought "safe space" for something that they get called *ist and decide, "welp, guess I'm a deplorable now." I've had that; I had to restrain myself from voting for Trump just to spite some "Thought Leaders" on social media that I dislike. Given that half of SA has been declared *ist in some safe space for furries, you hopefully understand the phenomenon I'm taking about here. There's dyed in the wool bigots and then there's "bigots" as the Internet hyperbole term.
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Craptacular! posted:The old walled gardens of AOL etc had plenty of moderation to make sure that, to think of an example I remember actually existing, the Gay & Lesbian section wasn't under attack. I know what you mean about it feeling "bigger". This is the worlds stupidest and most nerdy loving analogy, but it reminds me of thinking back to the original everquest. It was so brutally confusing, nothing held your hand, there wasn't even maps or a compass and everything would kill you if you glanced at it, not to mention quests were truly hidden, cryptic, and had to be discovered. No game has ever felt as deep, as epic, as true as that one. Its mostly horrible and you'd never actually want to go back to it, but it felt big, it felt epic in a way nothing will again. The modern internet, like WoW, has streamlined things, and you're right, no one has to hunt through web rings, and yahoo searches to try and find obscure web pages with information. All discussion is through several portals for the most part, unless its something very specific then it might have its own forum. How many people have websites anymore? No one runs websites anymore, people just link to their facebook page, their tumblr page, the subreddit they run. In the end though, you can miss it, but it can't ever come back to what it was. Not only is it just more diverse than it ever was, those shitheads that are that 0.001% of people that have always been on the internet, well you get enough people and even that tiny amount can be so large in number to piss in the pool for everyone. With all that pool pissing the internet has to grow up and accept it just can't be the "lol internet doesn't matter, turn it off" world anymore.
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Craptacular! posted:I've had that; I had to restrain myself from voting for Trump just to spite some "Thought Leaders" on social media that I dislike. Hahahahahahahaha is this a joke?
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Dr. Killjoy posted:I picked Stormcloaks because all elves must die That's because Dunmer are incredibly elaborate Jew expies. Not in JRR Tolkein dwarves or Rowling goblins sense. In a way that most people wouldn't recognize because its accurately based on pre-christian (post christian by Skyrim I guess) style Judea. Skyrim is a game of questionable quality, but the dunmer are like crack to historians because of all the little minor parallels whoever writes their stuff slips in.
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Craptacular! posted:The problem occurs when someone enters such an overwrought "safe space" for something that they get called *ist and decide, "welp, guess I'm a deplorable now." I've had that; I had to restrain myself from voting for Trump just to spite some "Thought Leaders" on social media that I dislike. If you have to restrain yourself for voting for a literal fascist just to spite someone on the internet, you may actually be living up to whatever ist you got called. "Someone said something mean on the internet! Better consider voting for Donald Trump entirely out of spite to show them they're wrong!"
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Y'all are acting like Reddit's lazy here when the much simpler answer is that a good portion of the staff are awful techbros who support trump for president and got off on the stolen photos of 17 year olds.
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Craptacular! posted:The problem occurs when someone enters such an overwrought "safe space" for something that they get called *ist and decide, "welp, guess I'm a deplorable now." I've had that; I had to restrain myself from voting for Trump just to spite some "Thought Leaders" on social media that I dislike.
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Bushiz posted:Y'all are acting like Reddit's lazy here when the much simpler album is that a good portion of the staff are awful techbros who support trump for president and got off on the stolen photos of 17 year olds. Why not both?
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Bushiz posted:Y'all are acting like Reddit's lazy here when the much simpler album is that a good portion of the staff are awful techbros who support trump for president and got off on the stolen photos of 17 year olds. Yeah, the whole Violentacrez episode kinda outed them all as personally terrible pieces of human waste, and most goons should remember that episode. One of this sites finest moments.
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Ice Phisherman posted:If you recall far back enough or ask someone who was here back in the day SA was a warez site for a long time and ADTRW had a no joke thriving community of pedos on it before they got flushed and exiled to form websites like 4chan. I'm 31 and have been on web forums since I was 11. I've seen that play out half a dozen times over different sites over and over again. Not exactly the same, but toxic communities forming, establishing their own quiet culture and then having their behaviors normalized. Then they get louder, people from outside of those communities notice in large enough numbers and things break apart. I didn't realize it until reading this post, but I've been on forums since I was about that same age. I'm only 25, but that's still a solid >50% of my life. I spent entirely too much time arguing about video game popularity contests on GameFAQs, but that website, like SA, had really, really strict moderation, which kept it from being a hideous racist shithole like it could have been. It might be one now, I haven't actually looked at the forums for ages, but it was one of the more egalitarian places I've seen on the internet. Strict moderation is necessary for really great content to grow IMO, which is why I've been on SA for as long as I have, and why Reddit just doesn't appeal to me (among other reasons). And there's a difference between moderation and censorship. I'm not sure exactly where that line is, but like the Supreme Court and pornography, I know it when I see it. I will admit that despite it really feeding into the worst aspects of the internet, Helldump has probably the single funniest thread in the history of the forums, and it's that one where pedophiles kept getting outed, and someone would come in and try to defend it, and promptly be outed as a pedophile themselves. It was like putting out underage honey and watching the flies come and get stuck. edit: and it also draws a neat line between SA and Reddit, because getting Reddit to tell their pedophiles to gently caress off was like pulling teeth, but Helldump was out for blood. Like one of those rare times when 4Chan would use their powers for (relative) good and call out animal abusers instead of being a bunch of racist pricks.
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Xand_Man posted:Honestly that's why I feel hopeful for Hillary. She's smart enough to recognize that Trumpism isn't going to go away after the election and that's it's a big problem for the country. I don't think it's going away, but I feel like it can be disarmed to an extent with certain carrots and sticks. You don't even need to get most of them. Just enough to get them to stop grumbling as much while their demographic continues to shrink. Still a tall order, but I think it can be done.
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gfsincere posted:I'm surprised the side scrolling beat em up genre hasn't really been picked up by indie developers. Next house I'm gonna try and get an old Simpsons and TMNT arcade machine for the basement. I will tell you right now that the Simpsons game(and by extension basically any 90's arcade brawler) is utterly pointless once the threat of death costing you real money disappears. It's super short and super easy with infinite continues. Giant Bomb did a video on it and they came to the unfortunate realization that it's just not that good. And these guys were arcade hounds, they ate this poo poo up when they were younger. But I've played it myself recently, the authentic cabinet, and it's...not as good as I remember it was when I was a kid. It's not really very good at all. There was a time and place for it, but it's really archaic-feeling now, I recommend getting something else if you need an "authentic" cabinet, or just go for a MAME cabinet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc3yMB_qZZk&hd=1 Combed Thunderclap posted:I've never understood the term "nanny state" used as an insult. Oh, you mean the woefully underpaid woman who cleans up after you, cooks you meals, makes sure you do your homework, and puts you to bed while your filthy rich parents brutally neglect you is supposed to be a bad person? Nannies are nice.
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Krispy Kremepie posted:Beebop and Rocksteady are for sure better than Tokar and Razar or however the gently caress you spell it. That's it. Kang was dumb as gently caress and the turtles look worse than the original 80's costumes. Shredder is lame and April O'Neil is not Megan Fox. Also Monk as Splinter... This. Like the original film from 1990 is awesome but the overall shitiness of the other two original films just made the original trilogy look bad. The second also sucked due to parents having a tantrum over the first similar to the tantrum they had over Batman Returns. Also about the shredder in the new ones. Originally William Fichners character was him. Showing that Paramont thought the only problem with TLA was that they allowed one non white person in a he cast. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Schizotek posted:Yeah, the whole Violentacrez episode kinda outed them all as personally terrible pieces of human waste, and most goons should remember that episode. One of this sites finest moments. For me the worst is when the Fappening was happening and they didn't do poo poo to shut down a dedicated subreddit for posting stolen nude photos because it was the highest traffic the site had ever seen. Like, the image sites hosting the images kept pulling them but the actual subreddits were left untouched.
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gfsincere posted:Familial encouragement of knowledge I feel is the most crucial factor, especially at very very young ages (toddler-pre-k ages). Yeaaaaaaaaap. Parents reading with me before bed every night paid off.
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Ice Phisherman posted:If you recall far back enough or ask someone who was here back in the day SA was a... Old SA had a habit of highlighting horrible things and enjoying it ironically. It was like "Mirsky's Worst 5% Of the Web" with a tiny bit of social justice here and there. Lowtax would spotlight web sites with atrocious HTML or something like Mirsky's, but occasionally highlight a Stormfront like site and even then fill it with ironic praise. On those occasions there would be a drive for everyone to use wget and "preserve this site so we may enjoy it for generations to come" (aka DDOS it.) So SA was generally a bastion of "look at this terrible thing! Wonderful!" It was only really with ADTRW doing that with Japan's anime pedo poo poo that some people in FYAG decided to that the subject was no longer funny or being treated ironically. I've only talked to one or two people from that event (one of them I invited here and continue to be in touch with) and while neither of them are pedos in real life, the whole thing blew up worse than it had to because one of the mods was a primary instigator and went up to bat for that content when the forum was called on it. So basically, the same thing that happened at Reddit except Reddit involved exploitation of actual children whereas SA decided that there were limits to tastelessness before it got that far out of hand. I do miss old GBS just because some of the threads, particularly "ignore this - test", caused me to laugh the hardest I ever have in my life.
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Before I finally quit reddit in disgust about 2 years ago a not uncommon accusation leveled against 'the fempire' (/r/shit_reddit_says and associated subreddits) was that they were SomethingAwful plants  It was usually a part of that whole thing where reactionaries find the idea of empathy so genuinely incomprehensible that anyone advocating for it must actually just be spouting disingenuous pablum as cover for sinister motives. e: or lust for cantaloupe-calved swarthy foreigners but definitely one of those two
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Yoshifan823 posted:I didn't realize it until reading this post, but I've been on forums since I was about that same age. I'm only 25, but that's still a solid >50% of my life. I think that there's an art to moderation. I sort of did it for a while, but I don't have the temperament for it. Dunno about gamefaqs though. Never got into it, though I did start out with a gaming forum about Harvest Moon 64 waaaaaaay back in the day after I looked for questions and found a community. Then it was on to Wizard World of which was run by Wizard, a comic magazine, which reminded me largely of SA before it died. Jumped between the refugees of those forums for about fifteen years. Now I'm mostly on SA and Reddit. SA is pretty solid and I like it, if quieter than it was. Reddit is occasionally cool, but you really have to look for nuggets of gold among the poo poo. And outside of the tiny communities there's really no chance to build anything resembling a community like you can with SA. The format is all wrong for it as it's rare when I see anything past response number three not get hidden. Reddit is meant to be seen, but the threshold for normal interaction is rather low. SA's is rather high because the format is right for it. I think SA has a few more good years left in it, but I see reddit and it's not as on the ball as it used to be. It really was the front page of the internet. Now not so much. Too much signal, not enough noise, even for reddit, and I knew it was in trouble when it would no longer be ahead of the news organizations for breaking stories. Mostly I'm wondering what the next big forum is going to be. It won't be one of the chans. Digg is dead. Reddit is degrading. SA is shrinking but its quality is still pretty high. I dunno. I'm not sure another website could moderate as well as SA because the buy in helps moderate in and of itself. I can't really see another website getting away with it when there's so much out there already for free, though often far more shittily moderated.Also if you have the link for that helldump I'd love to read it.
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Bushiz posted:Y'all are acting like Reddit's lazy here when the much simpler answer is that a good portion of the staff are awful techbros who support trump for president and got off on the stolen photos of 17 year olds. The  ,  ,  ,  , and probably a few other smilies I'm forgetting exist for a reason after all.And that reason is because reddit love child porn, racism, and sexism. Sadly I doubt another reddit bomb would be anywhere close to enough to affect their stance on rampant racism. gfsincere posted:I'm surprised the side scrolling beat em up genre hasn't really been picked up by indie developers. Next house I'm gonna try and get an old Simpsons and TMNT arcade machine for the basement. Dungeon Fighter Online is a side scrolling beat 'em up MMO and it made over a billion dollars in 2015. The PVP tournaments can be fun to watch if you know the game or are in to fighting games in general. There are probably random indie studios making those kinds of games still as well, but the newest(?) beat 'em up I played was probably Scott Pilgrim. The people behind it clearly loved River City Ransom as much as I did.
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Admiral Ray posted:This is pretty much why Trump is the anti-PC candidate. Every article/story/interaction I've had with Trump supporters has resulted in them saying that they feel they can't speak anymore without being attacked and so they have lost their voice in this country. Additionally, while he does all of this, Melania is going on a campaign about ending cyber-bullying, which I think would turn very quickly into trying to end attacks and negative reporting on Donald, while he still insults everyone.
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Admiral Ray posted:This is pretty much why Trump is the anti-PC candidate. Every article/story/interaction I've had with Trump supporters has resulted in them saying that they feel they can't speak anymore without being attacked and so they have lost their voice in this country. I really can never get over the irony that the people who complain about safe spaces are the exact same people who want their own safe spaces more than anyone.
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