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Captain Invictus posted:It's not entirely related at all, but I feel like baffling you a bit further Is that woman making 30k a month drawing disney character porn. 
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Queering Wheel posted:No one's denying that Hillary's lost momentum, but the odds that his model gives her right now just don't make sense when you think about it. Hillary's firewall is still there, and we're only four days out from the election. I'd say her actual chances of winning should be extremely high, or at least better than the roughly 65% he's giving. I know he's taking uncertainty and the possibility of polling error into account, but it still seems ridiculous for her numbers to be that low. His model doesn't even factor in that the early vote in Nevada appears to be going well for her. She may have already won the state, in which case the event of New Hampshire flipping to Trump doesn't matter. Yeah, I feel early voting may be a factor that many polls might be underestimating. Early voting is such a staple now that it could be something not being weighted as much as it should be. Who knows. I'm no statistician so I don't have any real strong argument for that, but it seems this year it is a huge factor that might be difficult to apply to current polling models.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Whoa affirmative action snuck in there real quick. How'd you get in here, little guy? Because both are philosophically rooted in "putting the ship back on course" by offsetting cultural discrimination with a counterweight. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Speaking of incremental change, and I know we had a big thing about Zizek a while back and I hate to bring him up again, but one of his lectures made me way more comfortable with supporting Hillary Clinton when Bernie lost the primary: I start the video at 36:30, but you could probably go back about 5 minutes to get a little more background. He's so all over the place it's hard to find a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCePcSouBOc&t=2190s The gist of it is that big changes are easy to ignore. Nobody in power is really scared of truly revolutionary ideas because they're so easy to shut down. What scares them is the little changes. We've talked about it in other discussions, how Don't Ask Don't Tell was a terrible policy by contemporary standards, but it set things in motion that made future reforms easier. You move away from the active hunting of homosexuals, to grudging tolerance (as long as they keep it sorta secret), and after a decade gays haven't destroyed the military, it's so easy to just say "Look, they're already here, we know they're already here, let's just end the charade." It's lovely, I can definitely appreciate the argument that we should have done it in 1994, but it was a difficult to do even in 2011 when I know that even in the mid 2000's it seemed uncontroversial to me. In Arizona, we're passing a marijuana legalization bill that's got big flaws. There are a lot of people who are against it because it gives too much power to groups that already have a head start in the business while shutting out smaller groups. But even if it's terribly flawed, it starts doing little things. There's a whole industry based around illegal marijuana. The County Attorney's office has gotten millions of dollars in diversion programs from referring people to TASC, a private drug treatment company (They kick back $650 to the county for every patient they process). The imperfect bill destroys this little cycle of corruption, and that makes them less financially able to promote other awful stuff. I've seen how incremental change has been destructive in the other direction. Charter schools seem like such a small thing, they're just little experimental schools, who could be angry about that. And then you see the industry that builds up around it and suffocates public education. The other half is that because these changes are so small, you don't get the same reactionary response. By the time people realize that things are accelerating, there's already momentum.
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I tried to vote from my town hall today and arrived 15 minutes after the closing deadline. 
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Now on to the more important question: Why do people play porn games. How is that fun. Don't you need both hands to hold the controller. Why did people watch True Blood? It was inches away from just being straight up porn (rather animalistic porn at that). Why not just watch real porn? I think it had something to do with a little bit of shame at ones own sexuality and this being a dissociative way to indulge in it. EDIT: Also jesus titty loving christ at those patreon numbers. Are we reading that correctly? Do I need to start practicing to draw? hiddenmovement fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Craptacular! posted:My understanding is that reparations, at least in their long term title, were "reparations for slavery." There's a lot of black people who aren't descended from slaves, but many face social inadequacies in the US. There's others that don't. Where do you draw the line? Whoa affirmative action snuck in there real quick. How'd you get in here, little guy?
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hiddenmovement posted:Why did people watch True Blood? It was inches away from just being straight up porn (rather animalistic porn at that). Why not just watch real porn? It's probably pretty easy to masturbate during true blood tho Also lol anti-affirmative action guy is just straight up ignoring my effortpost. the lesson is: never try
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Whoa affirmative action snuck in there real quick. How'd you get in here, little guy? Because he's human scum and real dedicated to being racist.  Tiny Brontosaurus posted:the lesson is: never try Yup. It's like how you made a thread about black women in media that's currently being used to post about white women punk singers. There's very little progress, re: internet race chat.
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chumbler posted:Non-video game media is barely starting to even entertain such conversations. Video games are easily years after that, and random internet forums decades further. Ugh, I knew this would be the answer, but it's still so upsetting. I wish my hobbies weren't so full of shitheads that you can't even have a reasonable discussion about them. It makes me feel embarassed to be associated with those things. And really, that's my priviledge speaking right there, because for me it's embarassing but if I was a woman or a minority I'd feel so unwelcome and unsafe in those communities that I probably just wouldn't join in the first place.
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Craptacular! posted:My understanding is that reparations, at least in their long term title, were "reparations for slavery." There's a lot of black people who aren't descended from slaves, but many face social inadequacies in the US. There's others that don't. Where do you draw the line? Maybe if we had a sense of that, we could respond to people. Also, lol at the notion that American black people who aren't descended from slaves do not in some way feel the negative repercussions that derive from that. For 25 years, Congressman John Conyers Jr. has marked every session of Congress by introducing a bill calling for a study of slavery and its lingering effects as well as recommendations for “appropriate remedies.” Gee, I wonder why that hasn't passed? But since we don't have a sense of what's going on, reparations are therefore bad?
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Because he's human scum and real dedicated to being racist. Hey at least it's not currently being used to post about white men feeling inadequate about asian test scores
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hiddenmovement posted:Why did people watch True Blood? It was inches away from just being straight up porn (rather animalistic porn at that). Why not just watch real porn?  stone cold posted:Maybe if we had a sense of that, we could respond to people. Also, lol at the notion that American black people who aren't descended from slaves do not in some way feel the negative repercussions that derive from that. For 25 years, Congressman John Conyers Jr. has marked every session of Congress by introducing a bill calling for a study of slavery and its lingering effects as well as recommendations for “appropriate remedies.” Gee, I wonder why that hasn't passed?
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:It's probably pretty easy to masturbate during true blood tho fwiw, I also think your effortpost was super good as is most of your posting. I hope you don't mind I saved it because I expect it will come in handy when I get into a fight with my dad in the very near future about his recent sharing of lovely right wing garbage boasting not so subtle racism
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VikingofRock posted:Ugh, I knew this would be the answer, but it's still so upsetting. I wish my hobbies weren't so full of shitheads that you can't even have a reasonable discussion about them. It makes me feel embarassed to be associated with those things. Sometime, when there are more people here and I'm not so tired, it would be cool to have a conversation about ways to quietly change gaming culture. It can be done, at least on the micro level - there are strategies for signalling that some things aren't okay to say that don't have to be game-stopping drama bombs, and there's a cool little thing I'd like to dig up about a guy who turned a shooter game pacifist as an experiment, just engaging player by player
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hey at least it's not currently being used to post about white men feeling inadequate about asian test scores 
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climboutonalimb posted:fwiw, I also think your effortpost was super good as is most of your posting. I hope you don't mind I saved it because I expect it will come in handy when I get into a fight with my dad in the very near future about his recent sharing of lovely right wing garbage boasting not so subtle racism I will fight your dad 
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:It's probably pretty easy to masturbate during true blood tho As you will see on Tuesday it's actually. "Never try and never get your hopes up in the slightest." Trump will flip California. The shock from this is so big, that all liberal justices fall in a coma. The Trump family is sworn in as a replacement. The newly appointed supreme court declares any further elections unconstitutional. "It's 'One nation under God.' That's daddy, anyone who opposes this is a heretic." cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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ImpAtom posted:Far-left isn't synonymous with atheism or intolerance of religion. You're the only one saying that. Likewise the 'all religion is terrible' stuff isn't left or right learning. There are groups on both sides in that mindset. You're not as far left as you think you are. The far left believes all religion is oppression ('kill the Christians!'), while the far right believes all religions except the one they follow is oppression ('kill the Muslims!'). Both are oppressive philosophies completely abhorrent to centrists, which Clinton definitely is. She's the best kind of centrist because she listens and aims for compromise. You can call that incrementalism, triangulation, or whatever makes you feel better, but she's definitely not a far leftist. US presidents are selected, not elected. We do this to promote stability through balanced compromise. We'd like other countries to emulate that system as much as possible because it will result in a lot less people getting killed. Radical and drastic change pisses people off, and it's a sure way to lose your party elections if you pursue that route. Anyone who thinks Clinton is some closet progressive socialist really needs to get red pilled. We want the real far left out of the Democratic party, and once they realize they don't have a seat at the table, they'll leave anyway.
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Nessus posted:
So just add to the ol' ignore list, is what you're telling me?
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cant cook creole bream posted:Trump will flip California.
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hiddenmovement posted:
Do you want to sell your soul? This topic comes up every once in a while in PYF's weird fanart thread. Goons good at drawing say "yeah the money is okay, butttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt"
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I will fight your dad But for real, TB, the answer is DO NOT TRY unless it's with some trusted IRL individuals. If white people can loving send themselves to the moon they can figure out how to not be racist, they just have absolutely no collective will to do so. All those posts in the misogynoir thread about white people going, "oh this thread has helped me see the light!" more so reveal that it's not you or your words, specifically, but rather these vaguely decent whitefolk are seeking to be less lovely of their own volition. Leading horses to water, not drinking, etc.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Is that woman making 30k a month drawing disney character porn. 27k per term with one or two terms a month. so more like 40k I guess?
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:But for real, TB, the answer is DO NOT TRY unless it's with some trusted IRL individuals. If white people can loving send themselves to the moon they can figure out how to not be racist, they just have absolutely no collective will to do so. All those posts in the misogynoir thread about white people going, "oh this thread has helped me see the light!" more so reveal that it's not you or your words, specifically, but rather these vaguely decent whitefolk are seeking to be less lovely of their own volition. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh  The "reasonable" racists get to me the worst
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Craptacular! posted:Regardless of that, this is the point. I don't think supporting reparations or affirmative action is a minimum borderline for "not being human scum", but obviously other people think so. Well as a white dude I can look back and say that not supporting affirmative action didn't make me human scum, I was just ignorant about the situation because the particular barriers that black people face were wholly outside my experience. But then I learn about those issues that I couldn't see, I see studies where a black sounding name results in fewer callbacks and lower grades for identical resumes and essays, and I start to realize that just the unconscious expectations that black people will have lower achievement affects their treatment and their opportunities. And then I realize hey, all this was in front of me all the time, black people were getting into college and getting jobs at lower rates than white people all along, and just assuming that must be a fair result of their substandard ability and not unfair barriers was actually p racist on my part. Does that mean I was human scum? Idk ymmv on that but my feelings are irrelevant, what matters is reality, not whether my feelers were hurt when I had to admit to myself that I was wrong about something once.
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Craptacular! posted:Because both are philosophically rooted in "putting the ship back on course" by offsetting cultural discrimination with a counterweight. I fully support affirmative action for African-Americans for that very reason, aside from the fact it's a very successful policy. Those claiming affirmative action because their mother was half-Thai and half-Caucasian and their Pakistani father make my blood boil.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Also lol anti-affirmative action guy is just straight up ignoring my effortpost. the lesson is: never try I thought your post was really good, but I don't have a lot to disagree with. I've come a long way in improving my understanding of the problem, just that you may or may not agree with every proposed fix to it. And to some people, if you don't go far enough, you're part of the problem. VikingofRock posted:Ugh, I knew this would be the answer, but it's still so upsetting. I wish my hobbies weren't so full of shitheads that you can't even have a reasonable discussion about them. It makes me feel embarassed to be associated with those things. For example Prince sang a bunch of songs about wanting to gently caress women and some would call that sexist, but he had a really diverse band and employed a lot of women, and many fans thought he was more admiring women than denigrating them.
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Craptacular! posted:I thought your post was really good, but I don't have a lot to disagree with. I've come a long way in improving my understanding of the problem, just that you may or may not agree with every proposed fix to it. And to some people, if you don't go far enough, you're part of the problem. Oh my god dude.
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Wyld Thang posted:red pilled
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TB, can I just say you write good words? Sometimes they're funny, sometimes they're sad, and sometimes they make me think. Thanks.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:If you don't go far enough you still end up supporting the status quo. Current status quo: Where can I get one of those for my house stone cold posted:TB, can I just say you write good words? Sometimes they're funny, sometimes they're sad, and sometimes they make me think. Thank you  I spent all day listening to people say various versions of "lol nah" to the idea of paying me for my funny sad thinky words, so I needed that.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh If a 40ish percent of our country (a very mainly white 40ish percent) can support a presidential candidate who has some 5 step plan to beat Islam (and much much more that we all know) and be allowed to continue living their lives unfettered, we shouldn't be afraid to stand by our own convictions. I know it is difficult, but I think we are starting to turn the page. We shouldn't have to deal with the "reasonable racism" out of our good nature anymore. It is seriously ridiculous that in this country, supporting Trump isn't met with severe social stigma. I work in finance in New York and a good chunk of my coworkers are voting Trump with glee, thinking the white national aspect of a Trump presidency is a laughing matter. FFFFFuck that.
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Wait so what was that thing earlier about Skyrim being full of white supremacists. My husband played Skyrim. Do I gotta get divorced? Those are expensive.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Oh my god dude. So, just so you know: when you're so outraged that you "can't even" or whatever, it's better to just say nothing, because it's those sort of reactions that lead people to think "guess I'll go
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Mixodorian posted:If a 40ish percent of our country (a very mainly white 40ish percent) can support a presidential candidate who has some 5 step plan to beat Islam (and much much more that we all know) and be allowed to continue living their lives unfettered, we shouldn't be afraid to stand by our own convictions. I know it is difficult, but I think we are starting to turn the page. We shouldn't have to deal with the "reasonable racism" out of our good nature anymore. Ew and there's such a pervasive assumption that every Trump voter lives on a dirt farm too. People forget that the cities are also full of terrible people. Those are Trump's people.
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Craptacular! posted:So, just so you know: when you're so outraged that you "can't even" or whatever, it's better to just say nothing, because it's those sort of reactions that lead people to think "guess I'll go Thank you very much for your advice
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Wait so what was that thing earlier about Skyrim being full of white supremacists. My husband played Skyrim. Do I gotta get divorced? Those are expensive. If he's a stormcloak I hope you got a prenup.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Wait so what was that thing earlier about Skyrim being full of white supremacists. My husband played Skyrim. Do I gotta get divorced? Those are expensive.
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