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ihatepants: Nov 5, 2011; Let the burning of pants commence. These things drive me nuts.

Going back to the first page and OP, I really loving hate when people say that I'm "not Filipino" just because I grew up and live in the US but had the gall to comment about the Philippines for all this poo poo that is happening over there. Made sure to point out that my Philippine passport technically means that I am Filipino.

Also, I remember reading a few pages back with people mentioning that the Philippines' loans with China are not resource backed. What does this mean and how is it better/worse than what they seemingly have in place?

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# ? May 11, 2024 12:26

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

ihatepants posted:

Going back to the first page and OP, I really loving hate when people say that I'm "not Filipino" just because I grew up and live in the US but had the gall to comment about the Philippines for all this poo poo that is happening over there. Made sure to point out that my Philippine passport technically means that I am Filipino.

My favorite thing to do is to ask how they'd enjoy the idea of being a Chinese fourth class vassal citizen

# ? Nov 4, 2016 11:14

NewMars: Mar 10, 2013

ihatepants posted:

Going back to the first page and OP, I really loving hate when people say that I'm "not Filipino" just because I grew up and live in the US but had the gall to comment about the Philippines for all this poo poo that is happening over there. Made sure to point out that my Philippine passport technically means that I am Filipino.

Also, I remember reading a few pages back with people mentioning that the Philippines' loans with China are not resource backed. What does this mean and how is it better/worse than what they seemingly have in place?

It means that instead of being linked to the value of a country's national resources, like oil or some such, they're being repaid in the form of Chinese money. If the exchange rate relative to the Chinese RMB tanks, your debt magnifies horrifically.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 17:20

Shooting Blanks: Jun 6, 2007; Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade

computer parts posted:

A lot of coding is done there too, I actually have a friend there who codes some popular software (SAP?).

gradenko_2000 posted:

So yeah I do IT for a call center and my sister is a SAP coder so US companies pulling out of here would be ... bad

SAP is a German company, not American. Off topic, but I wouldn't worry about your sister and friend retaining employment unless things really go south.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:40

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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NewMars posted:

It means that instead of being linked to the value of a country's national resources, like oil or some such, they're being repaid in the form of Chinese money. If the exchange rate relative to the Chinese RMB tanks, your debt magnifies horrifically.

Note: It's virtually guaranteed to tank even if the Chinese aren't engineering a devaluation as I post this (they are)

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:04

BarbarianElephant: Feb 12, 2015; The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Grouchio posted:

Has Hilary Clinton mentioned any plans for the Philippines in her policies? War is sounding to start like the lesser of two evils here.

The USA can't declare war on every lovely country in the world. If you haven't noticed, it rarely improves things. It's cold comfort to be killed by America's Nobly Aimed drones vs Duterte's death squads.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:08

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Duterte hasn't actually done anything to seriously abrogate the alliance, all he's done is talk poo poo and he isn't the first dictator to think it can get what it wants from the US by threatening to do so.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:12

Squalid: Nov 4, 2008

Fojar38 posted:

Note: It's virtually guaranteed to tank even if the Chinese aren't engineering a devaluation as I post this (they are)

If the Chinese devalue their currency wouldn't ' that make the debt easier to pay off?

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:25

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Squalid posted:

If the Chinese devalue their currency wouldn't ' that make the debt easier to pay off?

You're right, I misread the post in question as "If the RMB tanks"

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:27

Squalid: Nov 4, 2008

BarbarianElephant posted:

The USA can't declare war on every lovely country in the world. If you haven't noticed, it rarely improves things. It's cold comfort to be killed by America's Nobly Aimed drones vs Duterte's death squads.

His current gimmick is slavering at the thought of subverting democracy and violent geopolitical power fantasies. He hasn't noticed anything.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:32

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

BarbarianElephant posted:

The USA can't declare war on every lovely country in the world. If you haven't noticed, it rarely improves things. It's cold comfort to be killed by America's Nobly Aimed drones vs Duterte's death squads.

I am perfectly well aware of that and I wish I made it clearer that I phrased that question as wish fulfillment. Any sense of karmic retribution on Duterte at this point would be very welcome to both my person and (certainly) to many in the Philippines.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 21:07

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Shooting Blanks posted:

SAP is a German company, not American. Off topic, but I wouldn't worry about your sister and friend retaining employment unless things really go south.

For my friend anyway they contract out with many companies at once. She was just reassigned to a popular (US) time keeping software that my company actually uses.

It's a significant chunk if nothing else.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 21:28

ihatepants: Nov 5, 2011; Let the burning of pants commence. These things drive me nuts.

NewMars posted:

It means that instead of being linked to the value of a country's national resources, like oil or some such, they're being repaid in the form of Chinese money. If the exchange rate relative to the Chinese RMB tanks, your debt magnifies horrifically.

I talked to a friend and read a little more about this and please correct me if I'm wrong regarding what I understood (I'm terrible at understanding this sort of thing).

Based on how China has operated with loans to African countries and Sri Lanka, they offer to finance projects like infrastructure via debt (and not equity). Then a lot of these projects (possibly by design) fail, leading to a ton of misallocated capital. When these projects bust, of course the country can't pay back the loans and a big reason why is because the debt is allocated in RMB which a lot of the world doesn't have (RMB just became a central bank reserve currency this year, but only at a very small allocation). So the Chinese then convert the debt into equity leading to a lot of the infrastructure or whatever to belong to China. An example I was told about was like how Zimbabwe had to start making RMB an accepted currency but since their monetary and fiscal policy can't affect the RMB, they're kind of like China's economic slaves.

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Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

ihatepants posted:

I talked to a friend and read a little more about this and please correct me if I'm wrong regarding what I understood (I'm terrible at understanding this sort of thing).

Based on how China has operated with loans to African countries and Sri Lanka, they offer to finance projects like infrastructure via debt (and not equity). Then a lot of these projects (possibly by design) fail, leading to a ton of misallocated capital. When these projects bust, of course the country can't pay back the loans and a big reason why is because the debt is allocated in RMB which a lot of the world doesn't have (RMB just became a central bank reserve currency this year, but only at a very small allocation). So the Chinese then convert the debt into equity leading to a lot of the infrastructure or whatever to belong to China. An example I was told about was like how Zimbabwe had to start making RMB an accepted currency but since their monetary and fiscal policy can't affect the RMB, they're kind of like China's economic slaves.

National finances work exactly like household finances.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 22:01

sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

Have these Chinese soft loans' terms been released yet?

(They probably will never be released. Just thought I'd ask.)

# ? Nov 4, 2016 23:00

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Duterte: Billionaire Soros funding Human Rights Watch

quote:

MANILA - President Rodrigo Duterte said on Friday his war on drugs had cut back the supply to "very low" levels and thanked China for supporting his crackdown, but swore repeatedly at ally the United States for criticizing it.

Duterte said his bloody campaign against drugs had successfully reduced the narcotics flow, but conceded there were signs that criminals had now turned to kidnapping, another problem he planned to tackle.

"There is a very low supply of drugs now. But, there is a shift to kidnapping by these idiots," he said during a televised speech. "This is a new game, so be careful. Give me time to talk to God."

The crime-busting former mayor of the once lawless Davao City said last week he had spoken to God and promised him he would no longer use bad language.

But his vow has not held long. On Friday, he got angry again at former colonial power Washington for its concerns about alleged summary killings and contrasted its stance with that of China, which has funded a huge drugs rehabilitation center.

"Now who helped? China," he said. "America, what did they say? 'Duterte, stop the extrajudicial killings. We hold you responsible'," he said.

"I said: 'You can go to hell. You're all poo poo. You look at us Filipinos like dogs... You're all really sons of bitches because you violated our dignity.'"

As a provincial outsider in May's presidential election, Duterte used his brashness and profanity to enhance his public appeal. Dubbed "the punisher" and "Duterte Harry", he was elected by a big margin.

That was aided by the promise of a drugs war, which has killed over 2,300 people in four months.

Duterte on Friday homed in on Human Rights Watch, which he said was attacking him to justify a $100 million, 10-year grant philanthropist George Soros promised it six years ago.

"This Human Rights Watch of New York, that belongs to Soros. Soros was the financier. That's him. It's his grant," he said.

"They have funding money. They will really attack to justify. They chose me... they're pounding on me. That is fine, editorials every day. I can swallow that."

Duterte's relentless assaults on Washington have baffled the country's biggest ally, but do not appear to have resonated among Filipinos and the local business community, which has expressed concern.

A recent opinion poll of 1,200 Filipinos showed they had far greater trust in the United States than they did in China, which Duterte has been praising and courting strongly.

Duterte invited his countrymen to protest if they disagreed with him.

"If you think America will be good for you, if you want to be a (U.S.) territory ... if it is to your personal interest, go ahead and join the demonstration," he said.

"And maybe you can convince me to leave the presidency. But at least I leave without being treated like a pig by the Americans."

I don't know if I can take having to explain why (((George Soros))) isn't a member of the New World Order that's trying to implement the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in real life.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 01:20

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Jeez what a mess. Has the US done anything particularly lovely in the recent past, or is this all just tough guy talk to show that he'll stand up to the big bad America? TBH the moral thing would probably be to cut him loose and not support his death squads, China or not, but that's probably not gonna happen.

In other news,

quote:

A mayor linked to the drugs trade in the Philippines has been shot dead in his jail cell by police.
Rolando Espinosa, mayor of the central town of Albuera, had fired at officers searching for weapons, police said.
...
There have been calls for Mr Espinosa's death to be investigated to determine in particular how weapons ended up in his cell and how the exchange of fire broke out.
He is the second mayor to be killed within two weeks. Samsudin Dimaukom died, reportedly in a gun battle, in the southern Philippines.
Both men were among officials named by Mr Duterte in August as having links to the drug trade.
Mr Espinosa gave himself up to police in August, was then released but was later re-arrested on drugs and firearms charges.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37882562

# ? Nov 5, 2016 11:02

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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The Philippines used to be a US colony but that's not exactly "recent." The most "recent" thing barring the fact that Duterte has always disliked the US is that they told him his extrajudicial mass murder was hosed up.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 11:09

twerking on the railroad: Jun 23, 2007; Get on my level

Fojar38 posted:

The Philippines used to be a US colony but that's not exactly "recent." The most "recent" thing barring the fact that Duterte has always disliked the US is that they told him his extrajudicial mass murder was hosed up.

Maybe they also denied him a visa one time?

# ? Nov 5, 2016 11:23

RandomPauI: Nov 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

And he says we were responsible for the worst of the damage the Philippines suffered during WW2. For reasons. :shrug:

# ? Nov 5, 2016 11:33

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

Sorry we bombed some poo poo while liberating you from the people who would behead a man for not bowing properly to a Japanese soldier.

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Lily Catts: Oct 17, 2012; Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)

To be fair, the US did kill a lot of Filipinos in the Philippine-American War. The Colt M1911 was literally developed to fight Moro guerillas with its stopping power.

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toasterwarrior: Nov 11, 2011

Schneider Heim posted:

To be fair, the US did kill a lot of Filipinos in the Philippine-American War. The Colt M1911 was literally developed to fight Moro guerillas with its stopping power.

I'm somewhat flattered whenever I'm reminded that Filipino Moros were so badass that the American government specifically commissioned a bullet caliber that can kill them reliably.

The logic doesn't follow anyway. If Duterte was consistent with his ultra-nationalist bullshit, he would've refused to go to Japan at all.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 15:52

Sephyr: Aug 28, 2012

Schneider Heim posted:

To be fair, the US did kill a lot of Filipinos in the Philippine-American War. The Colt M1911 was literally developed to fight Moro guerillas with its stopping power.

My first exposure to Mark Twain was his "Commentary on the Moro Massacre" piece back when I was 20, and I was hooked on his style and verve ever since.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 16:05

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

For those of you following along with this recent "God" story:

Duterte came back from his trip in China and said that during the plane ride back, God spoke to him, and he swore never to swear again.

The President then broke that promise two days later by swearing in another rant.

The President is now claiming that it was only a joke:

quote:

MANILA � President Rodrigo Duterte on Friday said only fools would believe his �joke� that God talked to him and made him promise to stop cursing.

"[Those fools, they fell for it. I was never a bar topnotcher, but I'm not that much of an rear end in a top hat,]" he said in a speech during an event hosted by the Integrated Bar of the Philippines.

"[My favorite thing to do in Davao was to joke about all kinds of things.]"

Translation note: the word he used is "buang", which is more along the lines of an insane or crazy person, rather than a "fool".

And then, earlier today, this happened:
https://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet/status/794790671735394304

For additional background, it's a recurring theme so far in this administration for people to deflect Duterte's ... linguistic peculiarities as stemming from the fact that he's from Mindanao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rte_MSX2w5E

mobby_6kl posted:

Jeez what a mess. Has the US done anything particularly lovely in the recent past, or is this all just tough guy talk to show that he'll stand up to the big bad America?

The precipitating event was supposedly America criticizing Duterte's War on Drugs and the extra-judicial killings that came with it.

The cynical (and likely correct) view is that Duterte was simply looking for any excuse to break ties with America and that was a handy excuse, but he would have found another had literally no one on the continent said a word about indiscriminate killings.

mobby_6kl posted:

In other news,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37882562

As a follow-up, apparently the CCTV footage that would have captured the incident is missing.

One Senator, Ping Lacson, for his part does not believe the official story, https://has, and may try to restart the Senate investigation into EJKs over this.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 16:25

get that OUT of my face: Feb 10, 2007

quote:

Rolando Espinosa, mayor of the central town of Albuera, had fired at officers searching for weapons, police said.

Call me a drug pusher but I don't believe them.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 22:38

ocrumsprug: Sep 23, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

First they came for the drug pushers, and I did not speak out�
Because I was not a drug pusher.

Then they came for the Senator drug pushers, and I did not speak out�
Because I was not a Senator drug pusher.

Then they came for the Mayor drug pushers, and I did not speak out�
Because I was not a Mayor drug pusher.

Then they came for me�whoops I guess I was a drug pusher. Who knew?

# ? Nov 5, 2016 22:52

lizardman: Jun 30, 2007; by R. Guyovich

mobby_6kl posted:

Jeez what a mess. Has the US done anything particularly lovely in the recent past, or is this all just tough guy talk to show that he'll stand up to the big bad America?

It really must be reiterated that America isn't a "big bad" in the Philippines. Filipinos probably have the warmest regards for the US out of any country in the world--and I'm including the US itself in there!

Duterte really does come off like some kind of extreme, grotesque caricature of the Filipino stereotype: jolly but explodes in a torrent of wrathful defensiveness and spite at even the gentlest criticism that triggers his inferiority complex.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 23:18

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

the best possible ending to this is that duterte mysteriously gets offed by a "stray" drone and hillary just picks her nose in response to queries

# ? Nov 5, 2016 23:52

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

the best possible ending to this is that duterte mysteriously gets offed by a "stray" drone and hillary just picks her nose in response to queries

"Who do you think killed Duterte?"

"Would you look at the size of that booger?"

# ? Nov 5, 2016 23:53

Luceid: Jan 20, 2005; Buy some freaking medicine.

gradenko_2000 posted:

One Senator, Ping Lacson, for his part does not believe the official story, https://has, and may try to restart the Senate investigation into EJKs over this.

Who knew that drug-pushers had infiltrated into the senate? Save us, Duterte!

# ? Nov 5, 2016 23:53

Schubalts: Nov 26, 2007; People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

mobby_6kl posted:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37882562

So uh. How do they expect anyone to believe that he was arrested on drugs and firearms charges, but not checked for firearms and other contraband before being stuck in a cell? :psyduck:

# ? Nov 6, 2016 00:17

seiferguy: Jun 9, 2005; FLAWED
INTUITION; Toilet Rascal

I've heard that Duterte's vendetta against the US is personal because a US missionary priest abused him as a child. Or at least that's the thought.

His language against Americans is weird because Filipinos love Americans more than Americans love Americans.

# ? Nov 6, 2016 00:27

drilldo squirt: Aug 18, 2006; a beautiful, soft meat sack; Clapping Larry

seiferguy posted:

I've heard that Duterte's vendetta against the US is personal because a US missionary priest abused him as a child. Or at least that's the thought.

His language against Americans is weird because Filipinos love Americans more than Americans love Americans.

People keep saying that but I haven't heard about that much backlash from his china stuff. Is the anti duterte stuff in Filipino or something?

# ? Nov 6, 2016 03:18

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

drilldo squirt posted:

People keep saying that but I haven't heard about that much backlash from his china stuff. Is the anti duterte stuff in Filipino or something?

Filipinos have had close ties and positive relations and views towards America for years and years, which is why the Duterte pivot and the anti-American rhetoric is such big news (besides the fact that it's news solely because it's the President laying out a new foreign policy platform).

Here's an article from April 2014

quote:

MANILA, Philippines �The Philippines likes the United States of America a lot.

And we mean, a lot.

Data from the Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project show a higher percentage of Filipinos surveyed � 85% to be exact � having a more "favorable" view of the American people. Americans come second in the survey, with 84% saying they have a "favorable" view of themselves.

And then a more recent one, from October 19 2016

quote:

President Duterte�s visit to China points toward a restoration of trust between Manila and Beijing following recent tensions over their South China Sea territorial dispute, China�s official news agency said on Tuesday.

But Filipinos still trust the United States far more than China, an opinion poll showed on Tuesday, despite Mr. Duterte�s recent outburst of anti-American rhetoric and his sudden overtures toward old rival Beijing.

A Social Weather Stations poll from Sept. 24 to 27 showed 55 percent of Filipinos had �little trust� in China, versus 11 percent who had doubts about the United States.

Just over three-quarters, or 76 percent, of the 1,200 respondents had �much trust� in the United States, compared with 22 percent who felt the same about China. The poll did not ask respondents to explain their views.

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Squalid: Nov 4, 2008

I watched a movie a few years ago about the Philippine-American War made by Filipinos and the Americans were just cartoonish two dimensional villains, it was kinda like The Patriot in terms of tone, very patriotic. I can't remember its name right now unfortunately but the movie Amigo also covers the conflict and is much better and more nuanced, and definitely worth a watch. The protagonist is the head of a rural village who has to balance his relationship with his cousin, an insurgent hiding out in the forest, and the Americans who've occupied his town. Characters are constantly switching from English to Spanish to filipino to Cantonese.

# ? Nov 6, 2016 03:44

ihatepants: Nov 5, 2011; Let the burning of pants commence. These things drive me nuts.

Squalid posted:

I watched a movie a few years ago about the Philippine-American War made by Filipinos and the Americans were just cartoonish two dimensional villains, it was kinda like The Patriot in terms of tone, very patriotic. I can't remember its name right now unfortunately but the movie Amigo also covers the conflict and is much better and more nuanced, and definitely worth a watch. The protagonist is the head of a rural village who has to balance his relationship with his cousin, an insurgent hiding out in the forest, and the Americans who've occupied his town. Characters are constantly switching from English to Spanish to filipino to Cantonese.

Was it Heneral Luna?

# ? Nov 6, 2016 09:45

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/cnnphilippines/status/795580045947387905

CNN ran a piece on concerns over the Duterte administration's political appointees overrunning career foreign service officers.

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Duterte reactively (retroactively?) cancels the order of 26 000 rifles from the US.

quote:

President Rodrigo Duterte on Monday said he is ordering the cancellation of the purchase of assault rifles from the United States.

�I would like to announce now that the 26,000 of M16 ordered already, I am ordering its cancellation [to the] police,� he said of the order for 26,000 assault rifles.

�And we will just have to look for another source that is cheaper but maybe as durable and as good,� Duterte said during a speech in Malaca�ang.

The US earlier said that it will halt the supply of arms to the Philippines but the Philippine National Police said its supplier confirmed the purchase already.

�They will be arriving July 2017. I am ordering the police to cancel it,� Duterte said, who earlier belittled the US threat to call off the sale.

The President, who has been trading barbs with the US, said the government should not buy expensive weapons when it can get it at a better rate from other suppliers.

At the same time, he said buying more weapons will just result in more violence.

"[These guns that we are supposed to be buying, who would I kill them with? We don't have any enemies. It's just us who are killing each other,]" he said.

Duterte said he will just use the money to �contribute it to the success of the Bangsamoro Transition Commission (BTC)� or for other endeavors.

The President gave his statement during the signing of the Executive Order reconstituting and expanding the BTC.

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I think most of us are familiar with the concept of the writ of habeas corpus as a safeguard against illegal detention.

The Philippines went one step farther than that: in 2007, our Supreme Court drafted the writ of amparo ("protection") and the writ of habeas data ("access to information"). They were written in the wake of extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances during the turn of the 21st century.

The writ of amparo is supposed to prevent military officers from simply denying petitions on disappearances and EJKs, while the writ of habeas data is supposed to compel authorities to release whatever information they have on an individual.

These writs were based on similar legislation crafted in Latin America to address similar issues of forced disappearances, but have rarely been tested in court.

I bring this up because today, Senator Leila de Lima filed a petition for writ of habeas data against President Duterte. The petition by itself would test Presidential immunity from suit, but invoking habeas data would seek to have the Supreme Court compel the Executive to reveal whatever information they have on the Senator, and how this information has been or is being gathered.

It should be noted that despite the President's repeated declarations that the Senator is guilty as sin, the House probe into her ties to the drug trade revealed nothing and no case has been filed against her. It's under this pretext that petition is being filed: de Lima claims that the President is abusing his immunity from suit by making repeated libelous accusations without actually going through with any sort of case, and then the habeas data is supposed to make public what the President actually knows about de Lima that makes him think he's entitled to make these accusations in the first place.

The affidavit itself was posted publicly on Google Drive, if anyone wants to take a look.

gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Nov 7, 2016

# ? Nov 7, 2016 13:05

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

Now we get to see how Deteurte handles the kidnapping and murder of foreign nationals by Abu Sayyaf.

# ? Nov 8, 2016 01:16

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# ? May 11, 2024 12:26

Cirofren: Jun 13, 2005; Pillbug

Darkman Fanpage posted:

Now we get to see how Deteurte handles the kidnapping and murder of foreign nationals by Abu Sayyaf.

My money is on:
Say something bloodthirsty toward the Abu Sayyaf (that he's already fighting anyway)
Insult the captured man for being captured
Insinuate that the dead lady should have taken the rape instead of fighting her captors

# ? Nov 8, 2016 01:40

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