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Ice Phisherman posted:it was in vogue to release slaves from bondage. If the Roman empire even in that time existed today, it would be the worst nation in the world. Ice Phisherman posted:I'm talking about long term trends. Ice Phisherman posted:There's still war, violent death, genocide, rape and slavery in our world. Of course there is an abundance of terrible things in the world, but less and less and less and less. There is no slave society anymore. The terrible nations of today are terrible, but on par with the best nations of the past, and the best nations of today are the crazy utopias of the past. Ice Phisherman posted:History teaches us that progress is not guaranteed. We're not fundamentally better than our ancestors. The bar is raised because our ancestors raised it for us. We're not that much different from humans a thousand years ago. Just better educated, better fed and less accustomed to bloodshed. That can change.
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Someone on Texas put a Trump sign in front of a Vote Here sign at a college's early voting site. Since you can't do that, a volunteer went out to move it and got his hand sliced up by the eight razor blades glued to the bottom of the sign.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Morris's stuff is really interesting and most importantly he's constantly pointing out how spotty the historical record is and where the evidence falls short or he has to substitute other stuff. I love works that honestly critique themselves. There is apparently a nation-wide strike of prisoners, and many are broadcasting (illegally) streams of their efforts, so this is another way to clamp down on that by continuing to make it difficult for them to communicate easily. People smuggle in smart-phones. One of their grievances is prison labor for major corporations, not merely the benefit of the state in which they are imprisoned.
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highme posted:Knew a girl way back in the day who said she was vegetarian because she could never eat anything with a face. Now what is that girl going to eat? Soylent.
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Why is every news source (and 538) saying that Florida is looking red, but this thread seems certain it'll go blue?
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FactsAreUseless posted:Whatever works best for you. Eating more vegetables helped me a lot, because I found calorie-dense foods left me hungry. I'm also Type 1, so it's not like my body responds normally to food anyway. That's just the method I liked. I mostly eat a lot of chicken. Type 1 buddies! 
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I'm pretty sure my mom voted for Trump and doesn't want to tell me. She's been sharing anti-Hillary memes all election while saying she's not voting for anyone, and now she's laughing off my attempts to explain why Trump would be a disaster. She's been a Democrat her whole life, super pro-union and pro-gay rights, and I'm pretty sure she's slipping further and further into the red by the day because she's scared of immigrants and "the inner cities" 
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Cingulate posted:Salient point: still a slave society. America is still a slave society. Nonsense posted:There is apparently a nation-wide strike of prisoners, and many are broadcasting (illegally) streams of their efforts, so this is another way to clamp down on that by continuing to make it difficult for them to communicate easily. People smuggle in smart-phones.
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Petr posted:Why is every news source (and 538) saying that Florida is looking red, but this thread seems certain it'll go blue? The polls are tightening in inconsequential ways, and the press is going for clicks. 4 days.
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The Shortest Path posted:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/casar-vargas/why-i-can-no-longer-suppo_1_b_12698874.html "Founder of upliftt.com" Uh, okay
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greatn posted:I just got an email from Hillary Clinton with the subject line "Stop Refreshing 538". Grandma's got her eye on you. Next it'll be "Get off Pornhub and vote, young man!"
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:America is still a slave society. Hashtag prison planet dot com
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Because? Haven't been there in a while so I guess it might have changed, but it used to be "you must powerlift and have a 40/40/20 breakdown of macros there is no alternative" no matter what a person's personal situation was.
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Nonsense posted:The polls are tightening in inconsequential ways, and the press is going for clicks. 4 days. but nate silver
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Wyoming early voting on Friday at 12 30 statistics part 1. Number of non-ironic cowboy hats: 5 so far
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Agean90 posted:Wyoming early voting on Friday at 12 30 statistics part 1. Cowboy hats are good though.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:A linear view of history conveniently ignores everything outside of Western Civ too.  And no, I am not talking about just the West. Everything is better than it's been ever before. China, Africa,- right now, the lone exception is the Middle East, which has not really improved over the past decades. Basically every pre-1800 society, large and small, was terrible by today's standards. ISIS is basically just a glance in our past.
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Petr posted:Why is every news source (and 538) saying that Florida is looking red, but this thread seems certain it'll go blue? Early voting trends and demographics. Latinx voters are way up and black voters lagged for a bit and are now catching up
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Petr posted:but nate silver Shook Nate is not the sole and only person who can say how the election will go. I look forward to his post mortem when it turns out he was WAY overestimating a total polling miss.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:America is still a slave society. prison for profit pipeline the dollop did an episode about convict leasing which is exactly what it says on the tin kids for cash was a big scandal since it effected white people there's more examples out there, i'm sure
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Petr posted:Why is every news source (and 538) saying that Florida is looking red, but this thread seems certain it'll go blue? Now that I think about it, why isn't the PPP poll aggregated on RCP? They seem to hold the LA times poll in such a high regard. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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WampaLord posted:Shook Nate is not the sole and only person who can say how the election will go. I look forward to his post mortem when it turns out he was WAY overestimating a total polling miss. I think it's funny that his reaction to underestimating Trump during the primary is to overestimate him during the general election.
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Cingulate posted:It's actually an exponential view Don't talk to me like we're having a conversation in good faith you incorrigible douchebag. Your views of history are childish and every time you post on anything it's to roleplay this arms-length superiority fantasy you have. "Oh I'm Cingular I'm so above it all, lol at you guys thinking problems exist, don't you know you can attain enlightenment if you literally never read or learn or thing about anything at all. Lol at you at your facts and lived experiences. Everything looks fine to me from my basement."
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Cingulate posted:Salient point: still a slave society.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:America is still a slave society.
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Bip Roberts posted:Cowboy hats are good though. Currently wearing cowboy boots, so 
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Presented for cathartic value only: http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/nate-silvers-very-very-wrong-predictions-about-donald-t-1788583912quote:The long and the short of it? Silver has no loving idea.
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greatn posted:I just got an email from Hillary Clinton with the subject line "Stop Refreshing 538". It's funny because they've previously sent 5 or so emails this week that all say "  NATE SILVER SAYS WE'RE LOSING, PANIC ".
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Mind_Taker posted:Haven't been there in a while so I guess it might have changed, but it used to be "you must powerlift and have a 40/40/20 breakdown of macros there is no alternative" no matter what a person's personal situation was. This is the mentality from when I used to go around YLLS a while back and it still kinda sticks in my mind, so it's not entirely gone.
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Remember when Obama had so much money he just bought a loving 30 minute ad on every network the last week of the election?
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Cingulate posted:The average life expectancy of Roman slaves was 17. The US is so much better than Rome on every context-free measure. The worst parts of this world are better than the best parts of the past. The infuriating thing about you is you're too ignorant to even suspect you might be ignorant. Choke on your own dick.
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As far as slavery goes you really couldn't do better than being a slave in the Roman Empire. American slavery was much worse by nearly every metric.
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Cingulate posted:To somewhat snarkyly quote Tiny Brontosaur: "- not understanding the whole "perfect is the enemy of good" thing" Sure there are slave societies. They still exist. Look to Dubai to get an example of that The FIFA world cup stadium there has a four digit body count attached to it and those people are slaves. In the US the slave trade is alive and well because it's linked with the sex trade. Beyond that slavery is still legal in the US as long as they are prisoners. Slavery never really went away. Its just not as wide spread and quieter. Slavery was A THING in the US up until World War 2. In the backwaters of the deep South in Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama there were still slaves. They were just imprisoned for whatever and then forced to work because the 13th amendment had a loophole. The Thirteenth Amendment posted:Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Slavery is still legal on the books in the US. It just isn't practiced now in that name due to the stigma attached to it. However you don't imagine that right after that was passed that people used that loophole to get those newly freed hands back to work? Perhaps you need to brush up on your history before you make broad, sweeping statements.
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The Onion's constant harassment of Nate Silver will never get old. http://www.theonion.com/article/nate-silver-gunned-down-attempting-cross-mexican-b-54595
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Taran posted:It's funny because they've previously sent 5 or so emails this week that all say " There's a balance here. They want a healthy panic but not to have a coronary before Tuesday.
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B B posted:I think it's funny that his reaction to underestimating Trump during the primary is to overestimate him during the general election. Man I wonder how many more times in the next 4 days it'll be explained why this is wrong
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:America is still a slave society. in louisiana the big state prison, angola, is built on the site of an old cotton plantation it's a "working prison" which means that prisoners are forced pick cotton for pennies a day they also have a prison rodeo that is an even more disgusting human rights violation - one example is the "Inmate Poker" event: quote:Four inmate cowboys sit at a table in the middle of the arena playing a game of poker. A bull is then released with the sole purpose of unseating the poker players. The last man remaining seated is the winner.
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Cingulate posted:Ancient Greece and Rome were good with regards to nice marble statues and architecture, but they were also slave societies. Look at how Sparta treated the helots - hunting human beings like animals in an annual ritual. With regards to Human rights, most of the most abhorrent civilizations of the 19th and 20th century were better than Rome. As I said, they were good in some ways and bad in others. I don't even mean that flippantly. No one gave a poo poo about homosexuality. For large stretches of their history, Romans officially recognized and protected religious minorities. The Roman republic had peaceful political disagreements and power transfers for most of its history. The dissociation between political and religious rule has taken hold and evaporated at multiple points in history. Tolerance of religious minorities and homosexuals, as two specific examples, have not been some uninterrupted progression, and we shouldn't take it for granted that they will be. As for material well being, of course that is important, as is the declining amount of personal violence. I specifically brought up counterexamples.
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