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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As far as slavery goes you really couldn't do better than being a slave in the Roman Empire. American slavery was much worse by nearly every metric. Fart-huffing white twats like him have no concept of what chattel slavery was and they will  at every thing you try to say on the subject
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:The infuriating thing about you is you're too ignorant to even suspect you might be ignorant. Choke on your own dick. Why are you so hostile? It's inevitable things are better in the world than ancient Rome. That doesn't seem like a controversial statement. Is there some other context going on here? Edit: Oh he's comparing to 19th century slavery? I thought he was taking about modern poverty.
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fishmech posted:Er, are you really not aware that there's tons of tariffs and taxes on imports and exports with America already? We've never had any agreements with the People's Republic of China to reduce tariffs, for instance. And we also have the full scale tariffs and so on with most of the various cheap labor nations. Yes, but there has been increasing pressure from both parties to move forward with free trade agreements. Furthermore, it's clear that these tariffs are likely not high enough as we have far too many takers (companies are happy to make what they used to make here overseas and then reimport). I think it's a pretty simple analysis to determine that we are undercharging. Ultimately I want the United States to be run as a very green and socially conscious public company. The first obligation is to the shareholders, just don't gently caress up the planet while doing it and beat your competition handily, but fairly without leaving them destitute and starving with no healthcare.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:America is still a slave society. The American Prospect ran this essay in May 2014 - "The Great American Chain Gang" - about (nonexistent) labor rights in prison. quote:Employment law is supposed to rely on a three-pronged test to determine whether two people are engaged in an employee-employer relationship: Are they producing something of value? Are they getting paid for their work? Do they have a supervisor telling them what to do? Prison jobs meet all three criteria. “The puzzle,” Zatz says, “is the way in which courts have a strong instinct: No, there’s something different here. And then they run around in circles trying to figure out what that something different is.” It's very, very good and very relevant in light of the ongoing prison strike. And again I think the Prospect deserves some props for running this back in the spring of 2014 rather than just reacting to the news.
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AriadneThread posted:prison for profit pipeline And that's not even touching the depressing reality of human trafficking AKA modern slavery today.  Apparently human trafficking is a big problem behind the scenes in Ohio and Gov. Kasich apparently signed some bills to help fight it with stronger punishments for traffickers.
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greatn posted:Why are you so hostile? It's inevitable things are better in the world than ancient Rome. That doesn't seem like a controversial statement. I just randomly decided this well was a good place to piss.
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RVProfootballer posted:Yeah, I also think this is fair in general. It still is frustrating that we had good ideas about how to be less lovely human beings 2500 years ago and have not been able to put it into practice consistently. Yeah, absolutely! It's so depressing when you find out about these pockets of the planet that for very brief moments seemed to have something approaching freedom aaaaand they then immediately get torn to shreds. (My favorite/least favorite case: Berlin in the 1920s and 30s  )I would also say that it's perfectly possible to write about history as a general march towards progress without ignoring non-Western civilization and the horrific atrocities that have caused so many immense suffering, as well as the inequities between and within countries, continents, and societies; Morris spends at least half his time deeply analyzing Asia and even Crazy Diamond's book is also at least half about the Americas (although he's still too glossy obviously and ignores the rest of the world way too often). But it's remarkably unsatisfying to say that everything's better when there's still so much more to be done, so I prefer to just use this as knowledge that it can get better and the slow grind of incrementalism really can work. Sometimes it feels like progress is an impossibility or meaningless, but knowing how far as a civilization and a species we've come really keeps me working and volunteering towards an even better future for everyone.  ...is what I say to myself at night while I check election news. Again, backslides are possible, and might even be permanent.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As far as slavery goes you really couldn't do better than being a slave in the Roman Empire. American slavery was much worse by nearly every metric. Yeah outside of being a mine slave you had legal protections.
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Yeah, please don't constantly refresh 538, it's not doing anything good for your mental health. Until there's a report that Pennsylvania is in jeopardy, remain calm. Or go volunteer and hang out with people that also share similar views as you.
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seiferguy posted:Yeah, please don't constantly refresh 538, it's not doing anything good for your mental health. Until there's a report that Pennsylvania is in jeopardy, remain calm. Or go volunteer and hang out with people that also share similar views as you. In possible uplifting news: https://twitter.com/owillis/status/794613004113428481
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Nonsense posted:In possible uplifting news: Well, I could read that two ways...
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Nonsense posted:In possible uplifting news: lol, nope. https://twitter.com/owillis/status/794614301436813313
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Nonsense posted:In possible uplifting news: Guarantee he's full of poo poo. Lol, beaten, more or less
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As far as slavery goes you really couldn't do better than being a slave in the Roman Empire. American slavery was much worse by nearly every metric. Slavery in Rome was so diverse and in some cases so different from what we understand these kinds of comparisons are pretty useless in my opinion.
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Forgive me, but I don't see the upside in criticizing Nate Silver and characterizing the race as a done deal for Clinton. Elections aren't won on the back of complacency and good feelings. They're won with sweat and hard work. If you want to see Democrats win, then don't just sup on reassurances here. Let the 538 forecast light a fire of panic under you. Donate your money. Donate your time. Volunteer for get out the vote efforts, should you live in a state that's in play, or a state or district with a competitive congressional race. There's four days 'til the election. It's all hands on deck.
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seiferguy posted:Well, I could read that two ways... Coming doozy?
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MaxxBot posted:You don't know the pain of being a former fatty, the messed up appetite never really goes away, you just learn to manage it. I would probably have to eat literally like 25 cans of sardines to be full but I wouldn't because that sounds gross. Haha, I actually do. I lost 70 pounds with the help of watch and weight nearly a decade ago. The six pack abs I got back then are gone, but I never got as fat as I had been, and I get my weight back in control much more easily than I did the first time with simple principles like steering clear of sugars and starches and eating meals that are high in fat and protein and low in carbs. It's possible that your satiety response is absolutely hosed up, but then again I don't know. Like literally try eating a can of sardines and then wait 30 minutes and see if you still feel very hungry. I can't imagine it, and I'm someone who can easily solo crush a large pizza or box of cheez-its in a half hour.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Yeah, absolutely! It's so depressing when you find out about these pockets of the planet that for very brief moments seemed to have something approaching freedom aaaaand they then immediately get torn to shreds. (My favorite/least favorite case: Berlin in the 1920s and 30s My personal 'favorite' is the crushing of Toussaint L'Overture's Haitian democratic revolt, courtesy of the Defenders of Freedom and Democracy, America, right after own revolution for freedom. 
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CascadeBeta posted:My problem is that I can't stand any veggies. Like they all taste like total garbage to me. I can coat them or cook them or whatever but they're still the poo poo I can't stand at the core. I'm not kidding about my pallette age being pathetic. Diet is interesting. I actually kind of wonder if you could just free-associate and list the top 5 or so things that pop into mind when you think 'vegetables.' Like if you're in the grocery, and you feel that twang of 'god I gotta start eating better' and wander over to the produce, what would you grab first? Attempt to make? This is 100% anecdotal from someone who has recently gone through a similar phase of deciding that my palate is embarrassing and trying to expand borders but I had a huge unquestioned Brassica bias and that's deffo a strong, pervasive flavor that you have to mostly cook around, not through. But a huge amount of veggies are... well, I don't want to say bland, but much more neutral flavors? Make a frittata with 60% zucchini 40% egg and you're not going to taste the zucchini, is what I'm saying. Also it's hard to go wrong with stir fry. vvv Holy poo poo Roman slavery is so completely different (and, I think, vastly preferable to, though I'm no classicist) either form of modern slavery you mention, how are you straight-facedly making the comparison  Like, cingulate, I know you're not a bad-faith poster, but holy poo poo have you yet to internalize that the life experiences and mental faculties of a German statistician are not the unimpeachable peak of neutral informed critical thinking, particularly w/r/t race, US history, and contemporary English usage HookedOnChthonics fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Ice Phisherman posted:Sure there are slave societies. They still exist. Look to Dubai to get an example of that The FIFA world cup stadium there has a four digit body count attached to it and those people are slaves. In the US the slave trade is alive and well because it's linked with the sex trade. Beyond that slavery is still legal in the US as long as they are prisoners. Slavery never really went away. Its just not as wide spread and quieter.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Yeah, absolutely! It's so depressing when you find out about these pockets of the planet that for very brief moments seemed to have something approaching freedom aaaaand they then immediately get torn to shreds. (My favorite/least favorite case: Berlin in the 1920s and 30s I agree with this, basically. It's also an important point for me personally because a lot of the people I've ever talked to who disagreed with the idea that broadly speaking the world is getting better turned out to be assholes who fetishized the past because they low key wanted to have "servants" (cough cough) and also stop women from talking back to them. Or they were straight up nazis.
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Mr. Belding posted:Yes, but there has been increasing pressure from both parties to move forward with free trade agreements. Furthermore, it's clear that these tariffs are likely not high enough as we have far too many takers (companies are happy to make what they used to make here overseas and then reimport). I think it's a pretty simple analysis to determine that we are undercharging. Free trade is good. Companies will not magically move their industries back here if we raise tariffs super high.
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A judge in Cleveland has issued a temporary restraining order against the Trump campaign. What this article fails to mention is that the restraining order was issued because the judge agreed that the Trump campaign was planning to violate the Ku Klux Klan Act.
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Mr. Belding posted:Yes, but there has been increasing pressure from both parties to move forward with free trade agreements. Furthermore, it's clear that these tariffs are likely not high enough as we have far too many takers (companies are happy to make what they used to make here overseas and then reimport). I think it's a pretty simple analysis to determine that we are undercharging. I know what you are getting at but I don't want any country in the world run like a company, full stop. A nation run like a corporation was tried once, and it was called Fascism.
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Cingulate posted:The difference is that while there are still factual slaves in the US and Dubai, Rome was a whole empire built entirely on slavery, and on constantly invading its neighbors. Rome is worse than the US in the same way that the antebellum south was worse than Sweden. "The only thing that matters in every conversation is that I get to feel smart. I will contort my arguments, ignore all context, and drag the goalpost all over the field in pursuit of this. There are no facts. There are only my feelings."
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Bloops Crusts posted:Forgive me, but I don't see the upside in criticizing Nate Silver and characterizing the race as a done deal for Clinton. Elections aren't won on the back of complacency and good feelings. They're won with sweat and hard work. If you want to see Democrats win, then don't just sup on reassurances here. Let the 538 forecast light a fire of panic under you. Donate your money. Donate your time. Volunteer for get out the vote efforts, should you live in a state that's in play, or a state or district with a competitive congressional race. There's four days 'til the election. It's all hands on deck. No one here is discouraging any of the stuff you posted, we're in favor of all of that. We also like to make fun of Shook Nate and bring up relevant criticisms of his model.
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Agean90 posted:Yeah outside of being a mine slave you had legal protections. It was loving awful being a slave in Ancient Rome, but it was loving awful being pretty much everyone except from a wealthy family. The advantage for slaves is that it was *possible* to gain your freedom and even become rich if you were motivated and lucky. Race was not an indelible mark.
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So, ran across something funny/eye-opening. I was doing my once every 2 year ritual of examining the judicial performance survey from the Iowa State Bar to see how to vote in retentions. No one has any endorsements from a DA or police union or anything like that, so this is all I have to go on. They always say to retain everybody, but if I see a judge in the 60's or 70's percent retain (most are mid-90's) then I keep them in mind to vote no. In my area there were 15 judges and 4 scored poorly (relatively) so I was all set to uselessly vote no on those 4 judges who will all be retained anyway. I saw a biographical link to see the judges. Thought "interesting, lets see what these faceless names look like". There are 15 judges on my ballot. 2 black men, 7 white women, and 6 white men. Guess in which 2 of those 3 groups had the 4 who scored poorly? Yep. Not sure what to do now. I think I'll just vote no on all the white men out of spite, since again this is a waste of time anyway, no one is losing this retention election.
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Groovelord Neato posted:these retards need to stop twitter hyping. it's never anything good. Come on Ms. Coulter, you aren’t dumb and you aren’t shallow. So why are you continually using a word like the R-word as an insult?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As far as slavery goes you really couldn't do better than being a slave in the Roman Empire. American slavery was much worse by nearly every metric. Nah you really could. There were several different sorts of slavery at work there, and a lot of them were very bad. The slaves they sent to the mines or various othe rbig projects basically had death sentences versus highly educated and trained doctor/teacher "slaves" that were ffectively freer than the common "free" man. Mr. Belding posted:Yes, but there has been increasing pressure from both parties to move forward with free trade agreements. Furthermore, it's clear that these tariffs are likely not high enough as we have far too many takers (companies are happy to make what they used to make here overseas and then reimport). I think it's a pretty simple analysis to determine that we are undercharging. I don't think you understand free trade agreements, and "undercharging" is bullshit. There are many categories of goods out there where the effective total import costs are over 100% of value regardless of trade agreements. Sugar is currently so highly tariffed and restricted for import that sugar prices in America are double the normal global cost. It's impractically expensive to import paper clips. There's all sorts of stuff like that. And once again none of the free trade things really take away jobs, because they only start cropping up once the jobs have already left. The bulk-work factories we used to have for cheap domestic crap are obsolete, and even if we banned all imports tomorrow morning and opened them all back up, employment would be a fraction of what it used to be for things from clothing to cheap children's toys to computers.
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Side note: I think 'the Klu Klux Klutz' is a great petty nickname for Trump. Thoughts?
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Cingulate posted:It's actually an exponential view So do you want to compare the Belgian Congo to Rome and keep saying process is a linear phenomenon? It's not a guarantee, it's a victory pried bit by bit from the fingertips of people opposing it.
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Side note: I think 'the Klu Klux Klutz' is a great petty nickname for Trump. Solid.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:It's a shame we can get word filters for "cvcked" but not for "retard"
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