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yeah actually they will: Aug 18, 2012

tane

# ? Nov 4, 2016 18:54

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 19:58

Sunswipe: Feb 5, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

no they will not posted:

tane

You son of a bitch.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:02

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Wrecked Angle posted:

It doesn't even make any sense. If these are AI driven then why aren't they just heading for the first vacant chair and avoiding the whole bumping into each other bit altogether? Yet again their dedication to 'fidelity' has produced something completely unnatural looking.

That's Subsumption 2.0, the NPCs are adapting in real time to how the others are distributing themselves and trying to get a sit nearer to the most popular and/or rich guy so they can tag alone in their next missions.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:03

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

Propagandist posted:

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Star Citizen's mantra is "make it like ww2 but in space. And future-y"

Insider sources claim that, during design meetings, Chris will sometimes spitball ideas after having consulted a book about a Jane(?) And her aircraft/weapons 194X - 194X. If he wants to add futuristic stuff,he delves deep into the 195X or even the 196X titles!

It's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane%27s_Information_Group
There were also these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane%27s_Combat_Simulations

quote:

Jane's Combat Simulations was a brand of PC flight and combat simulators released by Electronic Arts (EA). The Jane's Information Group branding was purchased by Electronic Arts to lend authenticity and accuracy to their growing line of combat games

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:03

MilesK: Nov 5, 2015

no they will not posted:

tane

tane tax:

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:05

Wrecked Angle: May 12, 2012; "JURASSIC PARK!"

Blizzcon gonna do a Citizencon?

https://blizzcon.com/en-us/watch#main

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:05

Tokyo Sexwale: Jul 30, 2003

MeLKoR posted:

That's Subsumption 2.0, the NPCs are adapting in real time to how the others are distributing themselves and trying to get a sit nearer to the most popular and/or rich guy so they can tag alone in their next missions.

otherwise known as the Tarkaroshe effect

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:14

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

Wrecked Angle posted:

Blizzcon gonna do a Citizencon?

https://blizzcon.com/en-us/watch#main

They been doing them for years.
Except they rent out like an exhibit hall and charge people 200 dollars and sell out a couple of thousand tickets in less than a day, and have actual games where you can sit and actually play them.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:17

Tokyo Sexwale: Jul 30, 2003

Lladre posted:

They been doing them for years.
Except they rent out like an exhibit hall and charge people 200 dollars and sell out a couple of thousand tickets in less than a day, and have actual games where you can sit and actually play them.

pff, they don't even showcase dreams

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:21

Wrecked Angle: May 12, 2012; "JURASSIC PARK!"

Lladre posted:

They been doing them for years.
Except they rent out like an exhibit hall and charge people 200 dollars and sell out a couple of thousand tickets in less than a day, and have actual games where you can sit and actually play them.

I was quite surprised by the lack of teary-eyed intro performed by a wraith. I'm guessing they won't drop the 'fat man spitting all over a cake' section though, that's always a hit with the fans!

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:23

History Comes Inside!: Nov 20, 2004

They had a guy call 50% of the player base faggots who should kill themselves once, that's pretty Lesnick.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:25

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Dante80 posted:

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:30

DigitalMocking: Jun 8, 2010; Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy.
Benjamin Franklin

Look at these scrubs at Blizzard, announcing dates, showing finished new content, having a competent and compelling convention.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:31

Samizdata: May 14, 2007

Sunswipe posted:

Blood for the Baron!

... giving my age away a bit with that one.

Yeah, well no thanks to you.

I googled that to see if I remembered it right, and discovered Steve Dillon just died on the 22nd at the age of 54, My day is ruined, chucklehead, thanks a lot.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:31

MilesK: Nov 5, 2015

quote:

MISCELLANY (July 2013)

From Chris Roberts, Fearless Leader:

"Owning a factory is the equivalent of crafting."
Factory owners can hire players or NPCs to fill any role, i.e. hauling or security.
When hiring employees, you can either provide ships for each purpose or hire employees with their own ships.
NPC employee wages are based on their quality level.
Player employee quality is rated by the employer, and the employer is rated by the employee.
Ships are also manufactured at production nodes, which are player-ownable, with the probable exception of Capital ships.
We will not be able to 'invent' new items, but we will be able to upgrade factory equipment to create items with different levels of quality.
Mining will be skill-based; if you don't do it the right way (example: targeting an ore vein with a laser), there is a chance the asteroid will be destroyed along with any ore.

In SC you will have to pay landing tariffs, you�ll have running costs and will have to pay taxes on the goods you sell (in the more civilized parts of the universe). These taxes pay for the infrastructure and law and order (just like in the real world). By properly simulating how a real economy operates (as there is always a cost to services but almost no one models that) the hope is to avoid some of the issues that you�ve seen in other MMOs.

With the economy, I want the players to feel like what they do has an impact on the events that unfold," he explains. "It's about ownership: I want players to feel like they're becoming part of the lore, the history of this galaxy.

When will I be able to visit my factory on the procedural planets and watch my low quality minimum wage workers mop the floors?

Anyone's secret sources itt have info on that?

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:33

A Neurotic Jew: Feb 17, 2012; by exmarx

I made a very fair and good comparison vid between Infinite Warfare and some SQ42(?) pre-alpha(?) footage from todays RtV. Let me know what you think about balanced approaches to videogames in the comments: http://youtubedoubler.com/jJ7S

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:34

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

MilesK posted:

When will I be able to visit my factory on the procedural planets and watch my low quality minimum wage workers mop the floors?

Anyone's secret sources itt have info on that?

Well I bet you can buy a factory if you ask nicely

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:36

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

A Neurotic Jew posted:

I made a very fair and good comparison vid between Infinite Warfare and some SQ42(?) pre-alpha(?) footage from todays RtV. Let me know what you think about balanced approaches to videogames in the comments: http://youtubedoubler.com/jJ7S

Seriously though why did they air this nonsense? Anyone got a clue?

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:40

aleksendr: May 14, 2014

MilesK posted:

By properly simulating how a real economy operates (as there is always a cost to services but almost no one models that) the hope is to avoid some of the issues that you�ve seen in other MMOs.

Sometime i want this dumpster fire to release and be popular just to see how CIG would deal with the shitstorm of hacks, dupes, gold farming, RMT, brazilian invasion and other usual MMO economic shenanigans.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:42

Paramemetic: Sep 29, 2003; Area 51. You heard of it, right?; Fallen Rib

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGqMMpMkKXs

Stand up you victims of Chris Roberts
For he cares not for your name
Don't pay him till he does his job first
For you have nothing if you have no game!
Let not fools and their money be parted
For publishers make developers work
Kickstarted games are never really started
If you give your cash to some jerk

Refrain:
So shitposters, come rally
For this is the time and place
The mockery of Star Citizen
Is quickly gaining pace
So space gamers, come rally
The PU Verse won't be done
The Derek Smart July Blog Post Ideal
Unites us all in fun

There is no Star Marine this decade
Call of Duty will not be killed
So don't spend your money on a JPeg
Buy a real game and you'll be thrilled!
Even if they do release something
You can buy it then and there
But if you give Chris Roberts all your money
It will just vanish in the air

[refrain]

If Squadron 42 were finished
They would show real gameplay demos
We know instead that it's all just rubbish
Who needs to speak of MMOs?
There's no miracle secret dev only build
That's just a lie to pick your pocket
You've given money for promises unfulfilled
But CIG has just got rekt

[refrain]

Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Nov 4, 2016

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:44

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Seriously though why did they air this nonsense? Anyone got a clue?

They've set a precedent and now they are backed into a corner. If they go totally silent the Citizen's will know. If the Citizens catch on too soon then CIG won't have enough money left to even crap out a MVP. Then Chris for sure goes to jail.

CIG is CIG's worst enemy.

Raskolnikov fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 4, 2016

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:48

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

A couple of things I noticed:

Now's my chance to purchase this, huh? I thought I was pledging or donating or some poo poo

And of course the only black guy in the 'verse is a space janitor

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:50

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Foo Diddley posted:

And of course the only black guy in the 'verse is a space janitor

Don't forget the black bouncer at the million mile high club that we collectively mocked for similar reasons, and suddenly, two weeks later, he turned white. :v:

Seriously, that happened. WTF CIG. :lol:

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:53

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Raskolnikov posted:

They've set a precedent and now they are backed into a corner. If they go totally silent the Citizen's will know. If the Citizens catch on too soon then CIG won't have enough money left to even crap out a MVP. Then Chris for sure goes to jail.

CIG is CIG's worst enemy.

Even they have to realize that hangar footage is incredibly bad though, what's it supposed to prove? AI behavior coming along fine?

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:54

SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Foo Diddley posted:

And of course the only black guy in the 'verse is a space janitor

Nah, there are also black welders working in vacuum with no suits on.

Why were they showing the old helmet flip animation in the background this week? It's probably too old for Fuzzy Modem by now and they're still working on it?

SelenicMartian fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Nov 4, 2016

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:56

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

Samizdata posted:

Yeah, well no thanks to you.

I googled that to see if I remembered it right, and discovered Steve Dillon just died on the 22nd at the age of 54, My day is ruined, chucklehead, thanks a lot.

Idiot died from a ruptured appendix. In Manhattan. He must have been drunk off his rear end.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 19:58

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Even they have to realize that hangar footage is incredibly bad though, what's it supposed to prove? AI behavior coming along fine?

All CIG has to do to keep the money going is to show the diehard cultists that they're "Trying really hard guys!" and that will be enough for them to limp across the finish line.

If they go radio silent the narrative gets disrupted and they wake up from ~dreams~ and start flipping out too soon. This way they can still act like the plucky underdog who, oh gee shucks, reached for the stars and had to scale back for "retail" but don't worry guys! All the dreams are coming in future patches!

Sunk financial and emotional cost is a hell of a thing.

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:00

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

SelenicMartian posted:

Nah, there are also black welders working in vacuum with no suits on.

Why were they showing the old helmet flip animation in the background this week? It's probably too old for Fuzzy Modem by now and they're still working on it?

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:02

MilesK: Nov 5, 2015

aleksendr posted:

Sometime i want this dumpster fire to release and be popular just to see how CIG would deal with the shitstorm of hacks, dupes, gold farming, RMT, brazilian invasion and other usual MMO economic shenanigans.

The cognitive dissonance is truly driving these people insane.

quote:

Here is one of the difficulties of making player econ positioning in game play.

Basically IRL knowledge can do this. We provide credentials as proof of knowledge, and most often the knowledge or skill is beyond us to be masters of all things we might need.

Now if the demand is knowledge,and the knowledge is sufficiently complex and ambiguous. Like say diagnosing an illness based on basic symptoms. yeah that's a real challenge and high knowledge demand no doubt.
But few games are going to manage a system of complicated enough game knowledge demands, that the knowledge makes for lasting sustainable economic positions to hold down as game play.

However big a matrix of ship parts we can make. If it ultimately distills down to specific optimal combinations.
Then we should just assume now that that optimal chocie data will be public posted online for all to read, and basically provide for themselves personally, the "mastery" needed to have an optimally OC'd ship setup.

The skill of "knowledge" is what trivial pursuit is based on.
And to ensure that game is played to actually challenge the real knowledge of the player, and not test their google-foo.
We play this game live in person. Trivial Pursuit is a popular game.hard to find a bar in 5 mile radius not hosting a trivial pursuit game night once a week.
But it's no accented that such a popular game is not so widely spread as an online played game.

If we make the "challenge skill" of our game be knowledge we are just saying this is not a real challenge segment and all players can just lookup the right answers online freely. No challenge demand has been insisted upon.
So this system would be hard pressed to provide to players an ongoing sustainable economic position in the PU over time.

So i believe that for CIG to make part OCing be something that not all players can self provide, we'd need this OCing to have some form of challenge/skill demand that goes beyond just looking up the answers.

If the challenge is have the knowledge, and i
A: am alone in my house
+
B: have access to the internet
=
why am i doing this and not looking at porn? Then how is this expected to have challenged anyone or been a means to make a paycheck in PU if everyone has access to the same data to do it right themselves?

The challenge of the skill of knowledge, is only genuinely created when we undertake that challenge live in front of someone, able to prove it came from within our own brains and was not just being read back from something someone else wrote.
Knowledge makes for a perfectly fine challenge to a solo player game.
But for a form of player compeditive game play, knowledge as the challenge skill to demonstrate mastery of, can only really be achieved as a live in person challenge.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/7206458/#Comment_7206458

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:03

Wrecked Angle: May 12, 2012; "JURASSIC PARK!"

aleksendr posted:

Sometime i want this dumpster fire to release and be popular just to see how CIG would deal with the shitstorm of hacks, dupes, gold farming, RMT, brazilian invasion and other usual MMO economic shenanigans.

I know what you mean.

Hell, I can't even decide which way I'd prefer to watch RSI/CIG end.

On the one hand the sudden doors locked, lights off approach would be hilarious for a few days as news swept the web, but I'd quite like to watch the slow, gradual decline where at the end Chris is still lording it over a handful of non-leavers, funded by a handful of remaining faithful's disability cheques.

Fake e:
What the hell Hearthstone!!!

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:05

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Raskolnikov posted:

All CIG has to do to keep the money going is to show the diehard cultists that they're "Trying really hard guys!" and that will be enough for them to limp across the finish line.

If they go radio silent the narrative gets disrupted and they wake up from ~dreams~ and start flipping out too soon. This way they can still act like the plucky underdog who, oh gee shucks, reached for the stars and had to scale back for "retail" but don't worry guys! All the dreams are coming in future patches!

Sunk financial and emotional cost is a hell of a thing.

This doesn't make sense, it looks like babbys_first_blender_anim with models from loving poser

You're not making sense to me! The Game does not make sense

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:06

ripptide: Jul 28, 2016

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Even they have to realize that hangar footage is incredibly bad though, what's it supposed to prove? AI behavior coming along fine?

"See, we're actually doing......something...."

# ? Nov 4, 2016 20:06

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

Raskolnikov posted:

Don't forget the black bouncer at the million mile high club that we collectively mocked for similar reasons, and suddenly, two weeks later, he turned white.

Seriously, that happened. WTF CIG.