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Evil Fluffy posted:IIRC the short version is he was poo poo when he was younger, realized he was being awful and spent years/decades working to make amends and help minorities. The NAACP doesn't give high marks to ex-klansmen just because they're Democrats, which is probably what your friend is going to keep arguing they did. Some idiot brings this up on my friend's dad's Facebook all the time. Said idiot's response to the NAACP's 100% rating for Byrd is "the NAACP can be bought". They don't care about the truth if they're bringing up Byrd, they just want a narrative that will let them ignore black people without admitting it to themselves/others. If they had an honest interest in civil rights they wouldn't be conservatives.
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I lost  I got caught by the poll inspectors
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ABC sprung a new tracking poll by surprise, now 47-43 Clinton from 47-44 earlier today. https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/794668933710249984
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climboutonalimb posted:Unironically, by in large, the press has been absolutely derelict of duty this season. There has been some very good reporting this season but sensationalist headlines and a the overwhelming focus on Trump's spectacle over substance and facts has horrifying consequences. Trump's politifact rating is in the toilet vs Hillary's objectively decent rating however the recent ABC tracking poll has voter trustworthiness scale at 46:38 in favor of Trump. Daring to ever question a Republican on what they actually plan to do or not posting every single conspiracy theory from Drudge is intolerable "bias" to conservatives these days much like not being sufficiently fanatical makes you a liberal RINO. They're angry that they don't benefit enough from the media outside their propaganda outlets and want to show off their cred to the base. Needless to say, there is no way such an investigation would lead to anything remotely positive.
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Hollismason posted:This is great This is top tier right here.
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VitalSigns posted:Some idiot brings this up on my friend's dad's Facebook all the time. Said idiot's response to the NAACP's 100% rating for Byrd is "the NAACP can be bought". It's the exact same "logic" you see in YouTubesque comments like "Actually the Democrats were the party of slavery  and of the Jim Crow South ergo the libs are the real racists "
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Blorange posted:Dang it, NC just went toss-up in my preferred anti-arzy map. Eugene V. Dabs posted:...If Trump outperforms polls by 2 percent. Which, with his anemic ground game is unlikely to be true and will probably mean he under performs polls by that or more. Is there a slider on 270towin (or another site) that can show you different maps based on other values of outperforming? I can't find one. Curious what Hilldawg would do at +3 or 4
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Geostomp posted:Daring to ever question a Republican on what they actually plan to do or not posting every single conspiracy theory from Drudge is intolerable "bias" to conservatives these days much like not being sufficiently fanatical makes you a liberal RINO. They're angry that they don't benefit enough from the media outside their propaganda outlets and want to show off their cred to the base. Needless to say, there is no way such an investigation would lead to anything remotely positive.
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canepazzo posted:ABC sprung a new tracking poll by surprise, now 47-43 Clinton from 47-44 earlier today. -0.7% for Hillary
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canepazzo posted:ABC sprung a new tracking poll by surprise, now 47-43 Clinton from 47-44 earlier today. Gotta get in the herd.
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Nosre posted:Is there a slider on 270towin (or another site) that can show you different maps based on other values of outperforming? I can't find one. Curious what Hilldawg would do at +3 or 4 Similar?
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Cingulate posted:Well, as I said: Oh, it's no more abhorrently wrong than whatever agenda it gets used to push (for probably the vast majority of white people, you and I included, a better world is a whiter world at some unconscious 'yes, this jibes with my gut' way, and progress narratives have made it easy for e.g. Communist regimes to paper over liquidating the undesirables). It's just an impressively unhelpful narrative and whenever someone parrots it online a historian sighs and knocks back a shot of something foul. e: Here's a good example. There's a massive mural, painted in 1995, by an artist who was really prolific in the space art scene. Picture books about space exploration, posters, prints, that sort of thing, NASA commissioned a bunch of official portraits and stuff from him. You've probably seen his work. This mural goes all the way from abiogenesis and cell division on the left through evolution and civilization and then space exploration and utopia. The centerpiece is portraits of luminary figures of science and discovery floating, beneficent, around a Voyager-plaque style depiction of a full family group of Homo Sapiens: young Matthew McConaughey father, Kate Upton mother, little tow-headed kids. Among Newton, da Vinci, Crick and Watson, Einstein, Magellan, the only non-Europeans (in the entire 6x10 mural in fact) were MLK and Qin Shi Huan. HookedOnChthonics fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Nessus posted:Yeah they're kind of in a bind here, because like, 30% of their message is "MEDIA BIAS!!!" but at this point the media bias is almost entirely in their favor where it exists at all? Like it's not that you can't ever see positive words about a Democrat, but compare Trump to Clinton coverage on even a casual basis. They ignored her rallies entirely to show footage of an empty podium Trump might speak at in a while. Yes, but they also make Trump look crazy by talking about the things he actually says and does instead listing his positive message of .......... Thus proving that they are evil LIEberals unlike their propaganda friends who are the only truth tellers they care to hear. That's the level of delusion they have instilled in their base.
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Schizotek posted:The modern USA is more religious than when it was founded. That's just completely bullshit. Early America was religious as all hell, what with the amount of people being Christian being way over 90% and regular attendance at churches being way more common. To say nothing of how for a very long time, until Supreme Court rulings of the 50s-80s, all sorts of explicitly religious stuff was mandated in government and education.
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Geostomp posted:Yes, but they also make Trump look crazy by talking about the things he actually says and does instead listing his positive message of ..........
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Geostomp posted:Yes, but they also make Trump look crazy by talking about the things he actually says and does instead listing his positive message of .......... My favorite part of MSM punditry is when Trump surrogates say "people want to talk about the issues not scandals," which, when translated directly from Trumplethinskin is "we want to talk about Clinton scandals exclusively."
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Hollismason posted:I lost Me too, twice as two different characters. What the heck?! It's like someone's trying to rig this game to get certain players to lose! 
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canepazzo posted:ABC sprung a new tracking poll by surprise, now 47-43 Clinton from 47-44 earlier today. So how much does this decrease Hillarys chances on 538.
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fishmech posted:That's just completely bullshit. Early America was religious as all hell, what with the amount of people being Christian being way over 90% and regular attendance at churches being way more common.
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Cingulate posted:Well, as I said: It's not morally abhorrent. It's just factually wrong, and breeds complacency. Some posters think you're garbage for other reasons I guess, but I'm not familiar enough with your posting to say so one way or the other. But your view of history is wrong, and every historian on earth would tell you so.
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HookedOnChthonics posted:for probably the vast majority of white people, you and I included, a better world is a whiter world at some unconscious 'yes, this jibes with my gut' way Maybe that is just my immediate association because my scientist friends are more diverse than the people in my immediate surroundings, or because California has nicer weather ... but still, San Francisco or Chicago feel more like THE FUTURE to me than the super-white european places I know. Although I guess Switzerland is nice. HookedOnChthonics posted:It's just an impressively unhelpful narrative
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So this'll be a fun story this weekend, possibly: http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-11-04/washington-state-elector-says-he-wont-vote-for-clinton
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https://twitter.com/michaelsderby/status/794669445931274240 "Stay the gently caress out, or else"
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Teddybear posted:So this'll be a fun story this weekend, possibly: He won't have a job Monday.
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Schizotek posted:It's not morally abhorrent. It ... breeds complacency I guess he's not a historian, but one of the few, and definitely most famous person to hold the view is of course Barack Obama: https://www.wired.com/2016/10/president-obama-guest-edits-wired-essay/ Obama posted:I believe we can work together to do big things that raise the fortunes of people here at home and all over the world. And even if we’ve got some work left to do on faster-than-light travel, I still believe science and technology is the warp drive that accelerates that kind of change for everybody. That doesn't look like complacency to me either. Looks like a call for action.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So how much does this decrease Hillarys chances on 538. Unless im reading 538 wrong, it doesn't seem to reflect this poll yet under the national polls section. Trump and Johnsons numbers are off.
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I keep doing this every day by now, but here's a thought experiment: what if Clinton's transition chief Ken Salazar's staffers from his stint in the the Department of the Interior were convicted of fraud and conspiracy the Friday before election day. The election would be over. Pundits would be stumbling over each other demanding her to step down in favour of Tim Kaine. There'd be a vast congressional investigation.
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Teddybear posted:So this'll be a fun story this weekend, possibly: Well, the 270-268 scenario is very unlikely anyway
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Teddybear posted:So this'll be a fun story this weekend, possibly: God drat it. Yeah, American Indians will be treated just dandy if Trump takes office and he totally won't instruct the national guard / military to shoot all the protesters blocking the oil pipeline.
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Antti posted:I keep doing this every day by now, but here's a thought experiment: what if Clinton's transition chief Ken Salazar's staffers from his stint in the the Department of the Interior were convicted of fraud and conspiracy the Friday before election day. The election would be over. Pundits would be stumbling over each other demanding her to step down in favour of Tim Kaine. There'd be a vast congressional investigation. They'd have to hurry It's late on Friday I wouldn't worry Burma Shave
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Teddybear posted:So this'll be a fun story this weekend, possibly: There was an elector in Georgia who said the same thing for Trump. It won't matter.
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Bicyclops posted:Me too, twice as two different characters. What the heck?! It's like someone's trying to rig this game to get certain players to lose! In real life I'm a White Male Programmer from California and I had no problem in the game or in real life. Obviously, you just need to git gud. But for reals, the game actually understates how easy it is for me to go vote. I've gotten an absentee ballot in the past, forgotten to mail it, and walked into a completely empty polling place to drop it off on election day with zero harassment from Picketing Family Value Voting Christians across the street. The fact that voter suppression is a thing that happens at all anywhere in this country is loving monstrous and needs to stop.
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Nessus posted:While religious belief was widespread, sentiment against public recognition of religion save in a very generic sense was surprisingly contentious. We all know about the Barbary Pirates treaty quote, but there is also the fact that "Under God" wasn't added to the pledge of allegiance OR our currency until after World War II, and there were many efforts to oppose funding of parochial schools on the grounds that that would be supporting a religious institution. The Bible was more widely used for educational purposes but I believe at least part of this would be that a Bible would be one of the most readily available books, even going back into the 19th century. Like, dude, many states had state-composed prayers to god that the public school students were required to say, up until they were made illegal in the 50s and 60s by supreme court rulings. There was no pledge of allegiance until a group of socialists invented it in the late 1800s, so of course under god wasn't there. There was no "need" to try to fund religious schools so long as the public schools were heavily Christian, as they were, and incidentally those same public schools were kept largely white. The very fact that the Bible was so particularly widely available as to be a basic educational tool by necessity is an example of how Christian early America was. The Barbary Treaty and the personal opinions of some of the founding fathers towards Deism are nice and all, but they don't reflect how the average American behaved or how they were governed. Resistance to having a state church largely came out of the fact that choosing to have all of America be Catholic, say, or all of it Anglican or whatever other thing? That would have alienated a large swathe of the rest of the country that was trying to be built, dating back to the kinds of religions that the colonies tended to enforce. We essentially got federal religious tolerance as a result of political expedience.
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Nosre posted:Is there a slider on 270towin (or another site) that can show you different maps based on other values of outperforming? I can't find one. Curious what Hilldawg would do at +3 or 4 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/15/which_state_will_push_clinton_or_trump_over_the_top_131483.html
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Northjayhawk posted:https://twitter.com/michaelsderby/status/794669445931274240 oh no we'll disrupt their barely functional quasi-third world kleptocracy
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Lol the only mod response in the QCS thread is a tone argument. Never fails. By a dude who doesn't post in this entire subforum, ever. "Let me tell you how I think you should run the place..."
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