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Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Hyrax Attack! posted:

What would be the impact if the nation switched to a Washington/Oregon style based mail in ballot system, where all registered voters get their ballots three weeks before elections? Is there any reasonable ground for opposing that system (such as cost), other than the GOP wanting low voter turnout?

This question was asked several pages back.

As far as I can see, mail in ballot system are good in every way except one:

How do you prevent, say, an abusive head of household from coercing family members how to vote, filling in their ballots for them, throwing their ballots away etc.?

If you can cover that issue I think it's a hundred percent good, and it's got to be a hell of a lot cheaper than polling station options. Just postage and people to count ballots.

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JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

UmOk posted:

I selfishly secretly kinda want Trump to be president. He has made this election so amazingly absurd that I will have a hard time letting go of it after election day. His behavior in debate 2 was probably the funniest thing I have seen all year. I need more of that.
I don't think I'd be physically able to listen to or read anything he says. I'd constantly be turning off TVs or clicking tabs closed when visiting news sites.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

My dad is always just like "I don't understand how anyone buys Trump's complete bullshit" and I don't have an answer for him.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

RZA Encryption posted:

Yeah, Clinton won. Election's over.

I mean it's flippant but this is kinda how it looks like it's shaking out.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


UmOk posted:

I selfishly secretly kinda want Trump to be president. He has made this election so amazingly absurd that I will have a hard time letting go of it after election day. His behavior in debate 2 was probably the funniest thing I have seen all year. I need more of that.

:goonsay:

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Luigi Thirty posted:

My dad is always just like "I don't understand how anyone buys Trump's complete bullshit" and I don't have an answer for him.

Show him how many viewers :foxnews: gets.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Luigi Thirty posted:

My dad is always just like "I don't understand how anyone buys Trump's complete bullshit" and I don't have an answer for him.

Yeah I agree with your dad.

Bird Law
Nov 5, 2009

Hummingbirds are a legal tender.

Lote posted:

If only there were a rule to ensure that there were fairness in the media...

They could even make it into a doctrine, if you will.

Seems fair.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.



I had NPR on in the background earlier today, and I swear to god I heard a reporter describe the Clinton campaign as literally trolling Trump.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Ya this was a good listen-to this afternoon

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Luigi Thirty posted:

My dad is always just like "I don't understand how anyone buys Trump's complete bullshit" and I don't have an answer for him.
I work with mostly Trump supporters in my office here in FL (they are primarily older white women) and I wish I understood how they can ignore his misogynistic comments and the fact that he's literally a con-man.

Bloops Crusts
Aug 14, 2016
Ominous state polls for Clinton out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. If those should fall, and if Florida doesn't come through, early vote leads in Nevada and North Carolina won't necessarily matter. Firewall looking weaker by the day.

Trump's within striking distance. All it'll take is another shoe to drop: another terrorist attack, another FBI kerfuffle, another major revelation from the Wikileaks mystery box. Don't assume GOTV will offset a rising tide for Trump.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Anyone else kind of relieved we made it through today without some type of Comey bullshit? Remember that dropped last Friday afternoon.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Bloops Crusts posted:

Ominous state polls for Clinton out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. If those should fall, and if Florida doesn't come through, early vote leads in Nevada and North Carolina won't necessarily matter. Firewall looking weaker by the day.

Trump's within striking distance. All it'll take is another shoe to drop: another terrorist attack, another FBI kerfuffle, another major revelation from the Wikileaks mystery box. Don't assume GOTV will offset a rising tide for Trump.

Source your quotes

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Night10194 posted:

I mean it's flippant but this is kinda how it looks like it's shaking out.

It's hard to tell under all the flipping polls and 538 Arzying.

Bloops Crusts posted:

Ominous state polls for Clinton out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. If those should fall, and if Florida doesn't come through, early vote leads in Nevada and North Carolina won't necessarily matter. Firewall looking weaker by the day.

Trump's within striking distance. All it'll take is another shoe to drop: another terrorist attack, another FBI kerfuffle, another major revelation from the Wikileaks mystery box. Don't assume GOTV will offset a rising tide for Trump.

Sources?

climboutonalimb
Sep 4, 2004

I get knocked down but I get up again You are never going to keep me down

UmOk posted:

I selfishly secretly kinda want Trump to be president. He has made this election so amazingly absurd that I will have a hard time letting go of it after election day. His behavior in debate 2 was probably the funniest thing I have seen all year. I need more of that.

How about instead of being complacent and encouraging the destruction of the republic you go outside and get a hobby

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Tir McDohl posted:

Sounds like you're jealous about not having a sweet creepy raper dad.


(I wasn't being serious)

(my father in law wasn't either. it's all still weird+inappropriate as gently caress.)

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Zwabu posted:

This question was asked several pages back.

As far as I can see, mail in ballot system are good in every way except one:

How do you prevent, say, an abusive head of household from coercing family members how to vote, filling in their ballots for them, throwing their ballots away etc.?

If you can cover that issue I think it's a hundred percent good, and it's got to be a hell of a lot cheaper than polling station options. Just postage and people to count ballots.

The only solution I've seen is for the post office to be open extra hours (including Sunday's) during October / November if anyone want's to vote in person.

Yes I'm totally fine with paying them overtime for and letting the only constitutionally enshrined federal agency handle federal voting.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Anyone else kind of relieved we made it through today without some type of Comey bullshit? Remember that dropped last Friday afternoon.

Yeah, I admit I had some anxiety, too.

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

I love how clever and ruthless Hillary's campaign is. This is great.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


A Winner is Jew posted:

The only solution I've seen is for the post office to be open extra hours (including Sunday's) during October / November if anyone want's to vote in person.

Yes I'm totally fine with paying them overtime for and letting the only constitutionally enshrined federal agency handle federal voting.

It's a genuine problem and I think it's something that we can't actually mitigate. The best thing about in-person voting is that it has protections against coercion.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Bloops Crusts posted:

Ominous state polls for Clinton out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. If those should fall, and if Florida doesn't come through, early vote leads in Nevada and North Carolina won't necessarily matter. Firewall looking weaker by the day.

Trump's within striking distance. All it'll take is another shoe to drop: another terrorist attack, another FBI kerfuffle, another major revelation from the Wikileaks mystery box. Don't assume GOTV will offset a rising tide for Trump.

You hosed up, to be an effective concern troll you need to at least feign concern, not just start jacking off about your fantasy.

Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Nov 5, 2016

Ever Disappointing
May 4, 2004

Luigi Thirty posted:

My dad is always just like "I don't understand how anyone buys Trump's complete bullshit" and I don't have an answer for him.

Recently, I was in a car with a friend and there was an audio clip of Madonna saying she'd give bjs for men voting for Hillary. I ignored it, clearly an out of context quote to generate buzz like anything else you hear on the radio. My friend was less than amused and talked about how Madonna was always like that and back in the 90s she was taken to the ER and they had to pump a gallon of sperm out of her belly or some poo poo.

I called it out for the urban legend bullshit it is, but he got on my case asking why I was so defensive. I found the Snopes page about this particular urban legend, which has been attributed to several music artists including Freddie Mercury and others.

Then my friend told me Snopes is biased and don't trust them. People don't care about the truth and create their own narrative whenever convenient.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Donald Trump needs 270 electoral votes to become president.

Hillary needs 271

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Pollyanna posted:

It's a genuine problem and I think it's something that we can't actually mitigate. The best thing about in-person voting is that it has protections against coercion.

:agreed:

Mail in voting is good along with in-person voting, so why not both?

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

Bloops Crusts posted:

Ominous state polls for Clinton out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. If those should fall, and if Florida doesn't come through, early vote leads in Nevada and North Carolina won't necessarily matter. Firewall looking weaker by the day.

Trump's within striking distance. All it'll take is another shoe to drop: another terrorist attack, another FBI kerfuffle, another major revelation from the Wikileaks mystery box. Don't assume GOTV will offset a rising tide for Trump.
By Nate Silver

Bloops Crusts
Aug 14, 2016

Fojar38 posted:

Source your quotes

I didn't quote anyone.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


So, wait a minute. I know there's the popular vote, and then the electoral vote. Even though we're getting some numbers now for the popular vote that look good, what's stopping the electoral college from voting against the wishes of their districts/states on Tuesday?

disjoe
Feb 18, 2011


Apraxin posted:

Why settle for locking up Crooked Hillary? Surely the Corrupt Media should also face justice for their many crimes against America:
https://twitter.com/scottbix/status/794660103521783809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Gee I wonder why he doesn't want to reconsider the fairness doctrine. Surely if media bias is that drastic, then a drastic response is required.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Bloops Crusts posted:

Ominous state polls for Clinton out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. If those should fall, and if Florida doesn't come through, early vote leads in Nevada and North Carolina won't necessarily matter. Firewall looking weaker by the day.

Trump's within striking distance. All it'll take is another shoe to drop: another terrorist attack, another FBI kerfuffle, another major revelation from the Wikileaks mystery box. Don't assume GOTV will offset a rising tide for Trump.

CelestialScribe parachute spotted.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Pollyanna posted:

So, wait a minute. I know there's the popular vote, and then the electoral vote. Even though we're getting some numbers now for the popular vote that look good, what's stopping the electoral college from voting against the wishes of their districts/states on Tuesday?

Nothing except tradition.

Sleep well.

UmOk
Aug 3, 2003

climboutonalimb posted:

How about instead of being complacent and encouraging the destruction of the republic you go outside and get a hobby

Come on. You aren't the least bit curious to see what an unfiltered President Trump would be like? Four years of pure self destruction?

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

Pollyanna posted:

So, wait a minute. I know there's the popular vote, and then the electoral vote. Even though we're getting some numbers now for the popular vote that look good, what's stopping the electoral college from voting against the wishes of their districts/states on Tuesday?

Most states have laws binding their electors to the winner of that state.
From this page:

quote:

Alabama (Code of Ala. §17-19-2)
Alaska (Alaska Stat. §15.30.090)
California (Election Code §6906)
Colorado (CRS §1-4-304)
Connecticut (Conn. Gen. Stat. §9-176)
Delaware (15 Del C §4303)
District of Columbia (§1-1312(g))
Florida (Fla. Stat. §103.021(1))
Hawaii (HRS §14-28)
Maine (21-A MRS §805)
Maryland (Md Ann Code art 33, §8-505)
Massachusetts (MGL, ch. 53, §8)
Michigan (MCL §168.47)
Mississippi (Miss Code Ann §23-15-785)
Montana (MCA §13-25-104)
Nebraska (§32-714)
Nevada (NRS §298.050)
New Mexico (NM Stat Ann §1-15-9)
North Carolina (NC Gen Stat §163-212)
Ohio (ORC Ann §3505.40)
Oklahoma (26 Okl St §10-102)
Oregon (ORS §248.355)
South Carolina (SC Code Ann §7-19-80)
Tennessee (Tenn Code Ann §2-15-104(c))
Utah (Utah Code Ann §20A-13-304)
Vermont (17 VSA §2732)
Virginia (§24.2-203)
Washington (RCW §29.71.020)
Wisconsin (Wis Stat §7.75)
Wyoming (Wyo Stat §22-19-108)
And DC.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Luigi Thirty posted:

My dad is always just like "I don't understand how anyone buys Trump's complete bullshit" and I don't have an answer for him.

He's a white man.

We've been ruled over by a black man for 2 presidential terms and now a woman is gonna take the reins?

#MAGA

ReV VAdAUL
Oct 3, 2004

I'm WILD about
WILDMAN

UmOk posted:

Come on. You aren't the least bit curious to see what an unfiltered President Trump would be like? Four years of pure self destruction?

It would herald so much suffering in the US and abroad so no, absolutely not.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Bloops Crusts posted:

Ominous state polls for Clinton out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. If those should fall, and if Florida doesn't come through, early vote leads in Nevada and North Carolina won't necessarily matter. Firewall looking weaker by the day.

Trump's within striking distance. All it'll take is another shoe to drop: another terrorist attack, another FBI kerfuffle, another major revelation from the Wikileaks mystery box. Don't assume GOTV will offset a rising tide for Trump.

Don't assume the 3% of people that are both going to vote and aren't ardently decided at this point are going to give a poo poo about anything new coming to light at this point.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Charlz Guybon posted:

Just checked the Nevada numbers. They are looking good.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

Where can I find Colorado numbers?

Last post on the previous page. Anyone?

Young Hegelian
Aug 27, 2012

Pollyanna posted:

So, wait a minute. I know there's the popular vote, and then the electoral vote. Even though we're getting some numbers now for the popular vote that look good, what's stopping the electoral college from voting against the wishes of their districts/states on Tuesday?

I believe some states have provisions for recall of faithless electors.

The other threat is a bigger constitutional crisis than the Civil War, which we hope none of those people want.

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



Pakled posted:

Most states have laws binding their electors to the winner of that state.
From this page:

And DC.

Breaking the law is a thousand dollar fine according to the article. Guy can do it anyway if he wants. (It won't matter)

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Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Pakled posted:

Most states have laws binding their electors to the winner of that state.
From this page:

And DC.

Those laws are unlikely to be able to actually stop an elector though

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