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nong posted:This is few page back but lol @ all the people here complaining about the locals not understand or giving you guys a blank stare when you speak the local language. You get that they do that to native speakers who are the wrong race, right?
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Sheep-Goats posted:The tones are not hard at all after like two weeks of being in China and native speakers flatten and often flat out fail to pronounce tones all the time. If anything speaking intelligible Chinese to a Chinese hick gets you stared at harder than speaking really lovely Chinese because that's fukken bizzaro eowowowoeowow It's quite funny to see great examples of Dunning-Kruger effect at full swing right here.
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Nov 4, 2016 23:42
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Outrail posted:That would make an amazing TV show. Nobody understands a word he says but it's been going on so long everyone is too embarrassed to say anything. It'd be like being hell banned in real life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8PXvqYpGCM
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Nov 4, 2016 23:45
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nong posted:The joke is that when you say "intelligible Chinese" spoken by foreigners it's most likely to be unintelligible garbage. it's not the dunning-kruger effect when you have taken an exam that says you have passed a certain level course that was in 2013, i actually think my characters are worse now than they were then because i haven't studied at all since that summer
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Nov 4, 2016 23:48
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like the whole idea of the dunning-kroeger effect is that you are not able to assess your own level, meaning you think you are better than what you are. it doesn't work when you have taken an exam that has actually assessed you and said that you are now at a level that allows you to speak fluently across multiple conversation topics.
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Nov 4, 2016 23:49
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The Great Autismo! posted:they are just nodding their heads and just guessing what i'm saying correctly for the past few years i wouldn't dismiss this so quickly
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Nov 4, 2016 23:51
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i actually wish my chinese was more garbage and i hadn't learned it, so i'm all for people telling me my chinese is garbage. i'd have far less work to do and wouldn't have to understand the world around me, which would improve my life dramatically in china unfortunately, there's no going back, though i do often tell people "i dont understand" and walk away from them and get out of doing stuff, which is convenient a fair amount of the time
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Nov 4, 2016 23:52
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The Great Autismo! posted:it's not the dunning-kruger effect when you have taken an exam that says you have passed a certain level Wait where have we seen this before? And didn't we just ragged on asian countries for their exam based education system? Also, it's hilariously that you are trying to point to a test that's "made up of listening comprehension, reading comprehension and writing and contains a total of 100 test items" to try and prove how well you can butcher the pronunciations  I guess the upside is that you basically shows all the traits that we laughed at earlier so you might actually be a local after all.
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Nov 4, 2016 23:56
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The Great Autismo! posted:just guessing what i'm saying correctly for the past few years I'm really good at guessing.
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Nov 4, 2016 23:59
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nong posted:Now we are getting to the point where a poster is arguing how competent they are because they did this well on this test. i was linking it for the part that says "Test takers who are able to pass the HSK IV can converse in Chinese on a wide range of topics and are able to communicate fluently with native Chinese speakers" i really don't care enough to continue to argue semantics, you can think whatever you want, lol
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Nov 5, 2016 00:00
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The Great Autismo! posted:you can think whatever you want, lol Yeah, like those people who couldn't understand you when you try to speak to them 
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Nov 5, 2016 00:03
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nong posted:Yeah, like those people who couldn't understand you when you try and speak to them. lol
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Nov 5, 2016 00:04
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Ching chong. Ping pong
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The Great Autismo! posted:
you might be a local after all, there is still hope
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camgirl fangirl posted:you might be a local after all, there is still hope 入乡随俗
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BONGHITZ posted:Ching chong. Ping pong  Roamin' for a probin'
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Outrail posted:That would make an amazing TV show. Nobody understands a word he says but it's been going on so long everyone is too embarrassed to say anything. It'd be like being hell banned in real life. It was part of a sub-plot in a 30 Rock episode
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Counter point: The purpose of a language is to communicate ideas and concepts. If there's a plurality of anecdotes that show you can study and work at and live a language for more than five years and people still don't understand you it's doing a pretty piss poor job of fulfilling it's primary purpose.
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Nov 5, 2016 00:30
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I love FBR and wish we had more like him. Does TWM even post anymore? He was always good for a laugh nong posted:Yeah, like those people who couldn't understand you when you try to speak to them because like, trying to speak asian languages to some dumb asians is a loving pain where all the reaction you get is like "eeeeeeeeeee, i dont get what he's sayiiiiinngg" even if the language isn't tonal and you're using a dialect at all (though if you don't get osaka dialect you should get hosed anyway)
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Nov 5, 2016 00:42
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nong posted:Yeah, like those people who couldn't understand you when you try to speak to them Your username makes me suspicious of you using a alt specifically made to troll this thread..
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Nov 5, 2016 01:04
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Lazer Monkey posted:Your username makes me suspicious of you using a alt specifically made to troll this thread.. You're so paranoid. Makes you lose face
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he can't view that, and neither can I, but we'll assume it's something cool
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Lazer Monkey posted:Your username makes me suspicious of you using a alt specifically made to troll this thread.. And the fact the person just can't admit that possibility and want to point to *~some tests~* that they took to prove how well they can speak just makes it funnier. Especially since it's in the same country they derided for having lovely exam based education system. nong fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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Saying it happens is not racist. Saying it always happens is racist. Pretending people in this thread have said it always happens is trolling.
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if you're white and handsome in china can't you just make money being some kind of 1800's style american freakshow
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Believing it to be stupid that having your entire life be defined by a single test does not mean that anyone wants to abolish testing altogether... You need some kind of metric to neutrally assess someones skill level and the language proficiency tests are pretty good at that. You can hardly learn to a reading comprehension test if you dont know what text will be in the exam.
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Third World Reggin posted:Saying it happens is not racist. Saying it always happens is racist. My bad if I misunderstood them as most posters seems to be saying that it always happens.
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nong posted:My bad if I misunderstood. No worries, mate. It's OK.
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nong posted:My bad if I misunderstood them as most posters seems to be saying that it always happens. it certainly doesn't always happen, if it did i would never be able to get anything done in this country and would have left like six years ago. but it does happen, and it happens a statistically significant amount to the point that it is frustrating and a talking point from time to time. does it define china? of course not. it is something to talk about that people who live in china have to deal with and discuss from time to time? yes. it is something i have to deal with weekly. i'm sorry if it bothers some people. if it is my lovely chinese, then i apologize. Third World Reggin posted:Saying it happens is not racist. Saying it always happens is racist. ^^this^^
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peak debt posted:Believing it to be stupid that having your entire life be defined by a single test does not mean that anyone wants to abolish testing altogether... You need some kind of metric to neutrally assess someones skill level and the language proficiency tests are pretty good at that. right. it's almost like testing is an ok way to judge and assess a level of something, but one test shouldn't define someone's life forever, nor should testing be the only important aspect of education. quite a hot take, i know
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Pon de Bundy posted:if you're white and handsome in china can't you just make money being some kind of 1800's style american freakshow Yeah, mate of mine played an evil White industrialist/ shipping guy in a period drama
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Kharnifex posted:Yeah, mate of mine played an evil White industrialist/ shipping guy in a period drama there's a few expats i know in tianjin from france, usa and belgium that do this, they play "white xxxx" in chinese dramas, the french guy tells everyone he is a "professional actor" in china but he usually just growls at the camera in all the parts i've ever seen him play.
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The funny thing is that outside Beijing, some villages in Hubei and the post 80's generation (so still quite a lot o people) the level of Mandarin is very varying in China and I often hear Chinese people complain about other Chinese people's Mandarin. As for the blank stares when speaking Mandarin, I only remember it happening two or three times in 5 years. And this was when my level was admittedly lovely, but then again in Shanghai I guess people are more used to varying levels of Mandarin. Edit: Mao Zedong's Mandarin was famously poor, imagine giving him a blank stare.
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Outrail posted:Counter point: The purpose of a language is to communicate ideas and concepts. If there's a plurality of anecdotes that show you can study and work at and live a language for more than five years and people still don't understand you it's doing a pretty piss poor job of fulfilling it's primary purpose. It clearly does work for people from the region who are used to somewhat similar languages. My girlfriend spoke a 0% mutually intelligible regional dialect, didn't even begin learning Mandarin until she was 17 with her university entry exams coming up, yet aced them and completed a degree in Mandarin within 5 years. There's also plenty of people having similar trouble with English right now, despite living in English speaking countries for a while. I work with international students, many of whom who have only begun their English instruction in the last 3-5 years, and it can take a whollllle lot of effort to understand them, effort that most people aren't willing to put in. I bet they wish they got blank stares rather than screaming abuse. 1) I'm not good at learning languages 2) My native language is very different to this language I am trying to learn 3) The language SUCKS and should be changed to be closer to English please I didn't read the other options but I'll take #3 please. -china thread THE PWNER fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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Kharnifex posted:Yeah, mate of mine played an evil White industrialist/ shipping guy in a period drama Did he get to do any moustache twirling and scream God Save the Queen?
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Outrail posted:That would make an amazing TV show. Nobody understands a word he says but it's been going on so long everyone is too embarrassed to say anything. It'd be like being hell banned in real life. But, enough about FBR...
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It's not my fault you're not english literate beyond a 5th grade level.
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nong posted:My bad if I misunderstood them as most posters seems to be saying that it always happens. It happens in other countries as well, when people can't square the fact that you don't LOOK native but SPEAK and understand native language, it messes severely with preconceived notions of who you can communicate with.
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My wife is russian and used to work at the British embassy in moscow. Her department all could speak english since their bosses and managers were all english. One day they got a new manager, nice fellow from manchester. He was very sad the first month there because he thought everyone hated him. People seemed to ignore what he said and would shy away or stare blankly at attempts at conversation. It couldn't be their english skills because they seemed to chat and get along fine with the other brittish staff. Finally they had to tell him no one could understand his loving manchester accent since all their previous bosses were southern upper class folk. Eventually he managed to speak english a little better and they learned to understand his "english"
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My ability to navigate Chinese grocery stores, filled with old Chinese ladies, is 100% due to my ability to pretend I cannot see any of said Chinese ladies blocking the isles pretending they don't see me. They are surprisingly spry when they realize they have been out-Chinard.
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