Schadenfreude Thread: What did they think would happen?

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Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
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Outrail posted:

"�Mathers can argue, though, that a person has no expectation of privacy in the locker room when they are undressed and that the prosecution is simply trying to stick a square peg in a round hole because they don�t have the evidence for the charge they really want to prove�,� he said."

Uh, yeah. I think I can have a reasonable expectation of privacy to the extent that people shouldn't take photos of me in a locker room, they don't have windows for a reason you loving moron.

I suppose there is an argument that a locker room is "public" vs your private bathroom, but I really doubt that would hold and I really hope it won't.

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Prokhor Zakharov: Dec 31, 2008; This is me as I make another great post

Good luck with your depression!

Snapchat A Titty posted:

Was that before or after the hotdog?

1 Beer: Discombobulation

1 Hotdog: Death

# ? Nov 5, 2016 03:11

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

Fist of all, the San Francisco city budget last year was just short of 10 Billion dollars. That's the GDP of a nation. So let's not pretend that there's simply no way that we can afford a couple more police officers.

And there's also the point that much of the high end residential real estate in San Francisco changes hands fairly frequently. Take a look at Sea Cliff:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/recentl...986_rect/15_zm/

Houses around here often change hands ever few years. And they get re-appraised at the selling price. And then, people frequently 'renovate' perfectly good homes. That will cost you tens of thousands in permit fees and then you get re-appraised at an even higher value.

Sure, the homes in neighborhoods like Sea Cliff, and Pacific Heights, and St. Francis Francis Wood, are at the top of the market but the same thing is happening all over the city.

Is it fair?

Well, I have neighbors who bought condo's for $200,000 twenty five years ago. Now they're in their late 50's to mid-80's. Their one and two bedroom condos are worth anything form $800,000 to a $1,000,000. That's because real estate prices have gone up much faster than the core rate of inflation.

These folks are regular, every day, 9-5 workers. The older ones are finding it very difficult to make ends meet. Their Social Security check sure as hell didn't grow at the same rate as the real estate prices grew.

Is it fair to them to demand that they pay a metric gently caress ton of property tax? The one's who did have kids paid their fair share when they bought their condo. Their kid's are long past the age when they're in school. Should my 80 year old, widowed neighbor living on Social Security have to pay ever increasing property tax to put some 30-something year old couple's kids though school?

What about the people who don't have kids?

Shouldn't the taxes you pay be proportional to the services you demand?

# ? Nov 5, 2016 04:30

Captain Lavender: Oct 21, 2010; verb the adjective noun

Platystemon posted:

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I can really hear a low-pitched, slow, "MY BABIES!!" as the parent rushes in.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 04:31

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

HawkHill posted:

Fist of all, the San Francisco city budget last year was just short of 10 Billion dollars. That's the GDP of a nation. So let's not pretend that there's simply no way that we can afford a couple more police officers.

And there's also the point that much of the high end residential real estate in San Francisco changes hands fairly frequently. Take a look at Sea Cliff:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/recentl...986_rect/15_zm/

Houses around here often change hands ever few years. And they get re-appraised at the selling price. And then, people frequently 'renovate' perfectly good homes. That will cost you tens of thousands in permit fees and then you get re-appraised at an even higher value.

Sure, the homes in neighborhoods like Sea Cliff, and Pacific Heights, and St. Francis Francis Wood, are at the top of the market but the same thing is happening all over the city.

Is it fair?

Well, I have neighbors who bought condo's for $200,000 twenty five years ago. Now they're in their late 50's to mid-80's. Their one and two bedroom condos are worth anything form $800,000 to a $1,000,000. That's because real estate prices have gone up much faster than the core rate of inflation.

These folks are regular, every day, 9-5 workers. The older ones are finding it very difficult to make ends meet. Their Social Security check sure as hell didn't grow at the same rate as the real estate prices grew.

Is it fair to them to demand that they pay a metric gently caress ton of property tax? The one's who did have kids paid their fair share when they bought their condo. Their kid's are long past the age when they're in school. Should my 80 year old, widowed neighbor living on Social Security have to pay ever increasing property tax to put some 30-something year old couple's kids though school?

What about the people who don't have kids?

Shouldn't the taxes you pay be proportional to the services you demand?

Sorry I can't tell if you're dumb or sarcastic so: yeah but it kinda is fair that they pay the taxes on the property they own. That its increased in value is what it is. The fact that some property taxes have been stationary because of weird California laws doesn't mean that that is the way it should be.

All marketable property (whatever if its real estate, paper, items) should be taxed, & the inheritance of it too. Money in motion is good for society. Money in a bundle under a mattress is worthless except for the horrible person who put them there.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 04:45

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

HawkHill posted:

Fist of all, the San Francisco city budget last year was just short of 10 Billion dollars. That's the GDP of a nation. So let's not pretend that there's simply no way that we can afford a couple more police officers.

And there's also the point that much of the high end residential real estate in San Francisco changes hands fairly frequently. Take a look at Sea Cliff:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/recentl...986_rect/15_zm/

Houses around here often change hands ever few years. And they get re-appraised at the selling price. And then, people frequently 'renovate' perfectly good homes. That will cost you tens of thousands in permit fees and then you get re-appraised at an even higher value.

Sure, the homes in neighborhoods like Sea Cliff, and Pacific Heights, and St. Francis Francis Wood, are at the top of the market but the same thing is happening all over the city.

Is it fair?

Well, I have neighbors who bought condo's for $200,000 twenty five years ago. Now they're in their late 50's to mid-80's. Their one and two bedroom condos are worth anything form $800,000 to a $1,000,000. That's because real estate prices have gone up much faster than the core rate of inflation.

These folks are regular, every day, 9-5 workers. The older ones are finding it very difficult to make ends meet. Their Social Security check sure as hell didn't grow at the same rate as the real estate prices grew.

Is it fair to them to demand that they pay a metric gently caress ton of property tax? The one's who did have kids paid their fair share when they bought their condo. Their kid's are long past the age when they're in school. Should my 80 year old, widowed neighbor living on Social Security have to pay ever increasing property tax to put some 30-something year old couple's kids though school?

What about the people who don't have kids?

Shouldn't the taxes you pay be proportional to the services you demand?

No.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 04:55

Hermsgerv�rden: Apr 23, 2004; Møøse Trainer

HawkHill posted:

Fist of all, the San Francisco city budget last year was just short of 10 Billion dollars. That's the GDP of a nation. So let's not pretend that there's simply no way that we can afford a couple more police officers.

And there's also the point that much of the high end residential real estate in San Francisco changes hands fairly frequently. Take a look at Sea Cliff:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/recentl...986_rect/15_zm/

Houses around here often change hands ever few years. And they get re-appraised at the selling price. And then, people frequently 'renovate' perfectly good homes. That will cost you tens of thousands in permit fees and then you get re-appraised at an even higher value.

Sure, the homes in neighborhoods like Sea Cliff, and Pacific Heights, and St. Francis Francis Wood, are at the top of the market but the same thing is happening all over the city.

Is it fair?

Well, I have neighbors who bought condo's for $200,000 twenty five years ago. Now they're in their late 50's to mid-80's. Their one and two bedroom condos are worth anything form $800,000 to a $1,000,000. That's because real estate prices have gone up much faster than the core rate of inflation.

These folks are regular, every day, 9-5 workers. The older ones are finding it very difficult to make ends meet. Their Social Security check sure as hell didn't grow at the same rate as the real estate prices grew.

Is it fair to them to demand that they pay a metric gently caress ton of property tax? The one's who did have kids paid their fair share when they bought their condo. Their kid's are long past the age when they're in school. Should my 80 year old, widowed neighbor living on Social Security have to pay ever increasing property tax to put some 30-something year old couple's kids though school?

What about the people who don't have kids?

Shouldn't the taxes you pay be proportional to the services you demand?

PYF isn't the place for this particular derail, and I am not the absolute most qualified, but the grannies that people clutch their pearls about could be taken care of in a fair reform of California property tax rules, which could delay the accumulated tax due until mortality of the poor millionaire real estate mogul who's skill was being born in the correct decade. Which is as likely to happen as a meteor is likely to hit the powerball jackpot. In any case, commercial property, family trusts, and other stupid poo poo which enables the transfer of the brokenly low assessment which has materially damaged the state should not. be. a. thing.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 04:56

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

crossing my fingers, but hopefully the schadenfreude will be all the absentee landlords having to eat a huge increase in taxes & then trying to sell it off but the market has changed so they wont get what they paid

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:02

Hermsgerv�rden: Apr 23, 2004; Møøse Trainer

Snapchat A Titty posted:

crossing my fingers, but hopefully the schadenfreude will be all the absentee landlords having to eat a huge increase in taxes & then trying to sell it off but the market has changed so they wont get what they paid

A beautiful dream.

Sigh.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:14

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK: Sep 11, 2001

HawkHill posted:

Fist of all, the San Francisco city budget last year was just short of 10 Billion dollars. That's the GDP of a nation. So let's not pretend that there's simply no way that we can afford a couple more police officers.

And there's also the point that much of the high end residential real estate in San Francisco changes hands fairly frequently. Take a look at Sea Cliff:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/recentl...986_rect/15_zm/

Houses around here often change hands ever few years. And they get re-appraised at the selling price. And then, people frequently 'renovate' perfectly good homes. That will cost you tens of thousands in permit fees and then you get re-appraised at an even higher value.

Sure, the homes in neighborhoods like Sea Cliff, and Pacific Heights, and St. Francis Francis Wood, are at the top of the market but the same thing is happening all over the city.

Is it fair?

Well, I have neighbors who bought condo's for $200,000 twenty five years ago. Now they're in their late 50's to mid-80's. Their one and two bedroom condos are worth anything form $800,000 to a $1,000,000. That's because real estate prices have gone up much faster than the core rate of inflation.

These folks are regular, every day, 9-5 workers. The older ones are finding it very difficult to make ends meet. Their Social Security check sure as hell didn't grow at the same rate as the real estate prices grew.

Is it fair to them to demand that they pay a metric gently caress ton of property tax? The one's who did have kids paid their fair share when they bought their condo. Their kid's are long past the age when they're in school. Should my 80 year old, widowed neighbor living on Social Security have to pay ever increasing property tax to put some 30-something year old couple's kids though school?

What about the people who don't have kids?

Shouldn't the taxes you pay be proportional to the services you demand?

Source your quotes

otherwise lol

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:14

ro5s: Dec 27, 2012; A happy little mouse!

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# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:21

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Source your quotes

otherwise lol

Yeah, Google is so darned difficult to use.

Here, try clicking on this link: http://sfmayor.org/ftp/Budget2016/CSF_Budget_Book_2016_FINAL_WEB_with%20cover%20page.pdf

Jump to page 11 for the summary.

I gave you the link to the housing info that I claimed. Click it.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:24

CommonShore: Jun 6, 2014; A true renaissance man

NOBODY CARES ABOUT PROPERTY TAX POLICIES IN SAN FRANCISCO :suicide:

jesus christ.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:29

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

HawkHill posted:

Yeah, Google is so darned difficult to use.

no dude, "source your quotes" means "this is dumb as gently caress, please tell me you're just copypasting idiocy". it doesnt mean "hey lemme know where those swell arguments are from". nobody cares about the original source. we just wanna know if youre the dumb or youre quoting a dumb.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:30

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

Powaqoatse posted:

Was that before or after the hotdog?

Why not during?

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:35

Prokhor Zakharov: Dec 31, 2008; This is me as I make another great post

Good luck with your depression!

HawkHill posted:

Fist of all, the San Francisco city budget last year was just short of 10 Billion dollars. That's the GDP of a nation. So let's not pretend that there's simply no way that we can afford a couple more police officers.

And there's also the point that much of the high end residential real estate in San Francisco changes hands fairly frequently. Take a look at Sea Cliff:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/recentl...986_rect/15_zm/

Houses around here often change hands ever few years. And they get re-appraised at the selling price. And then, people frequently 'renovate' perfectly good homes. That will cost you tens of thousands in permit fees and then you get re-appraised at an even higher value.

Sure, the homes in neighborhoods like Sea Cliff, and Pacific Heights, and St. Francis Francis Wood, are at the top of the market but the same thing is happening all over the city.

Is it fair?

Well, I have neighbors who bought condo's for $200,000 twenty five years ago. Now they're in their late 50's to mid-80's. Their one and two bedroom condos are worth anything form $800,000 to a $1,000,000. That's because real estate prices have gone up much faster than the core rate of inflation.

These folks are regular, every day, 9-5 workers. The older ones are finding it very difficult to make ends meet. Their Social Security check sure as hell didn't grow at the same rate as the real estate prices grew.

Is it fair to them to demand that they pay a metric gently caress ton of property tax? The one's who did have kids paid their fair share when they bought their condo. Their kid's are long past the age when they're in school. Should my 80 year old, widowed neighbor living on Social Security have to pay ever increasing property tax to put some 30-something year old couple's kids though school?

What about the people who don't have kids?

Shouldn't the taxes you pay be proportional to the services you demand?

Google Ron Paul

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:38

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

"Clutch their pearls", really?

In my building of 13 units, you're talking about three of my neighbors. Getting old sucks in many ways and it's loving expensive. Elder poverty is a real thing, especially when you live in a place where the cost of living far out strips retirement benefits.

They're not deriving any benefit from the fact that their condo now has a much higher paper value. Why should they be paying ever increasing tax on it at this point? It's not income. What you're proposing is taxing unrealized capital gains. We don't tax unrealized capital gains. We tax realized capital gains.

Trusts don't allow you to avoid taxes forever. The tax hit still comes at some point.

http://finance.zacks.com/pay-taxes-sale-home-trust-7676.html

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:40

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

get hosed

theres 2 options re taxes when youre old: 1 pay them, 2 dont pay them but let your inheritors pay them

thats it

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:42

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

Powaqoatse posted:

no dude, "source your quotes" means "this is dumb as gently caress, please tell me you're just copypasting idiocy". it doesnt mean "hey lemme know where those swell arguments are from". nobody cares about the original source. we just wanna know if youre the dumb or youre quoting a dumb.

How about responding to the facts rather than resorting to school yard name calling?

Yeah, senor poverty is dumb.

Tax policy is dumb.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:42

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

see above, also gently caress you lol

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:44

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

HawkHill posted:

How about responding to the facts rather than resorting to school yard name calling?

Yeah, senor poverty is dumb.

Tax policy is dumb.

The fact is that you sound like a "gently caress You, Got Mine" rear end in a top hat that's part of the problem.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:45

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

just wait until this guy hears about the idea of estate tax

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:48

Prokhor Zakharov: Dec 31, 2008; This is me as I make another great post

Good luck with your depression!

HawkHill posted:

"Clutch their pearls", really?

In my building of 13 units, you're talking about three of my neighbors. Getting old sucks in many ways and it's loving expensive. Elder poverty is a real thing, especially when you live in a place where the cost of living far out strips retirement benefits.

They're not deriving any benefit from the fact that their condo now has a much higher paper value. Why should they be paying ever increasing tax on it at this point? It's not income. What you're proposing is taxing unrealized capital gains. We don't tax unrealized capital gains. We tax realized capital gains.

Trusts don't allow you to avoid taxes forever. The tax hit still comes at some point.

http://finance.zacks.com/pay-taxes-sale-home-trust-7676.html

Uh huh yeah sure also you're a loving idiot who doesn't think everyone should pay for schools and furthermore,

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:49

zakharov: Nov 30, 2002; Tater Love

Hot dogs

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:51

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

zakharov posted:

Hot dogs

hotdogs are so delicious

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:54

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

Powaqoatse posted:

get hosed

theres 2 options re taxes when youre old: 1 pay them, 2 dont pay them but let your inheritors pay them

thats it

What's with the 'get hosed'?

Yeah, my neighbors are paying their taxes. And their estates will also pay taxes when these people die. That's pretty much the way it works. At no point did I even come close to suggesting that this shouldn't happen. So what was the point to that little outburst?

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:56

Noctone: Oct 25, 2005; XO til we overdose..

lol people who own $1m condos but are too stubborn to sell them don't get to claim poverty ffs

# ? Nov 5, 2016 05:59

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

Regalingualius posted:

The fact is that you sound like a "gently caress You, Got Mine" rear end in a top hat that's part of the problem.

Go back and read what I wrote. I never said anything like that.

I'm talking about the reality that we don't tax unrealized capital gains. We tax realized capital gains. That's a fundamental principle of our tax laws. They don't 'got it' until they realize it. The fact that their condo is worth more on paper doesn't put food on their plate or clothes on their back. I haven't said one word against estate taxes.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:03

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

HawkHill posted:

Fist of all, the San Francisco city budget last year was just short of 10 Billion dollars. That's the GDP of a nation.

That's ten entire billions, people!

My god, they could pave that bridge of theirs with real gold with that kind of money!

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:08

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

Noctone posted:

lol people who own $1m condos but are too stubborn to sell them don't get to claim poverty ffs

Lot's of people do sell them. But then what do you do? Housing is crazy expensive in San Francisco. Trading to another place is just a zero sum game. So you have to take that money and move somewhere less expensive. And people do that. And then they pay capital gains tax on the non-excluded portion of the gains.

But there's this thing called community. Lot's of old people don't want to leave theirs. Probably because they have strong family and community ties to the place they've liven in for decades. Change is hard when you're old.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:08

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

Gorilla Salad posted:

That's ten entire billions, people!

My god, they could pave that bridge of theirs with real gold with that kind of money!

I was addressing the idea that somehow the city couldn't afford adequate policing. Clearly it's a matter of priorities rather than a substantial lack of cash. That was the point.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:10

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

Prokhor Zakharov posted:

Uh huh yeah sure also you're a loving idiot who doesn't think everyone should pay for schools and furthermore,

Troll a little harder.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:13

Prokhor Zakharov: Dec 31, 2008; This is me as I make another great post

Good luck with your depression!

Nice meltdown

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:18

HawkHill: Aug 15, 2015

Powaqoatse posted:

just wait until this guy hears about the idea of estate tax

Estate taxes are a necessary part of our tax system. It's much in the vein of how we treat capital gains taxes.

The exclusions make it so that most estates don't pay estate taxes.

I have zero respect for politicians who play the 'death tax' card.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:18

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

That is so interesting and also generating just massive amounts of Schadenfreude for me that I would like to shake your hand and thank you personally. Tremendous, just outstanding.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:22

Chichevache: Feb 17, 2010; One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Hawkhill, you're getting hysterical. Have a glass of wine and calm down before posting again.

TotalLossBrain posted:

That is so interesting and also generating just massive amounts of Schadenfreude for me that I would like to shake your hand and thank you personally. Tremendous, just outstanding.

I could say the same thing to you. Be the change you want to see in the world.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:25

TopHatGenius: Oct 3, 2008; something feels
different; Hot Rope Guy

zakharov posted:

Hot dogs

Open faced sandwiches

man_kicks_kid.gif

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:25

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

HawkHill posted:

I was addressing the idea that somehow the city couldn't afford adequate policing. Clearly it's a matter of priorities rather than a substantial lack of cash. That was the point.

And I was addressing the idea that TEN ENTIRE BILLIONS is, in any way, a large amount of money for first world city like San Fran.

It's loving couch change, kid.

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:32

Noctone: Oct 25, 2005; XO til we overdose..

HawkHill posted:

Lot's of people do sell them. But then what do you do? Housing is crazy expensive in San Francisco. Trading to another place is just a zero sum game. So you have to take that money and move somewhere less expensive. And people do that. And then they pay capital gains tax on the non-excluded portion of the gains.

But there's this thing called community. Lot's of old people don't want to leave theirs. Probably because they have strong family and community ties to the place they've liven in for decades. Change is hard when you're old.

tough titties

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Malachite_Dragon: Mar 31, 2010; Weaving Merry Christmas magic

Come down off the ledge, thread. It doesn't have to be this way, there's so much still to live for!

# ? Nov 5, 2016 06:35

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