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Kehveli
Apr 1, 2009

Push It Like You Push Your Girlfriend
My first reaction to her kit was that holy poo poo, that's going to be annoying and in nerftown.

The more I think about it though - 200 hp with the translocator being her only reliable escape. Yes, she has invisibility, and stealth skills are an annoying lovely thing in fps games, but - its broken by damage and if you catch her out, she's most likely dead. If she tries to invisi out of near range engagements, she should be popped out most of the time. Trying to channel a ~1-2 second hack in melee range against a group of players as a squishy dps hero isn't going to go well for you.

Kehveli fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Nov 5, 2016

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Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Kehveli posted:

My first reaction to her kit was that holy poo poo, that's going to be annoying and in nerftown.

The more I think about it though - 200 hp with the translocator being her only reliable escape. Yes, she has invisibility, and stealth skills are an annoying lovely thing in fps games, but - its broken by damage and if you catch her out, she's most likely dead. If she tries to invisi out of near range engagements, she should be popped out most of the time.

Yeah, I feel like the impact of her invisibility is going to be somewhat overblown in a game where double-jumping wall climbing cyberninjas prove that you can ruin someone's day already without needing actual invisibility. Plus the fact is that what people really seem to hate about "stealth characters" is that they're invariably packaged with some sort of 1HKO backstab ability which Sombra lacks...yeah she can jam her gun in your face but she doesn't just get a free execution by being invisible and pressing melee, and the fragility of both her stealth and her hacking ability in a game where nobody has any ammo limits to discourage them from spamming fire everywhere combined with her bog-standard 200 hitpoints suggests that playing her is actually going to be somewhat unforgiving if you think the ability to turn invisible gives her carte blanche to 1v6 the enemy team.

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

The thing with hacking players is finding the characters that are both easy and worthwhile targets. The tanks seem like they'd be worthwhile, but not easy. A character like Hanzo might be easy but not worthwhile.

Mercy is going to get hacked constantly, though.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Having watched a few streamers now of them playing Sombra, I take back the assertion that she's overpowered. Literally her only way of killing enemies is her SMG which has terrible damage. It's actually kinda interesting that she's listed as an offense hero.

She does however look pretty good as a flanker(which I guess is why she's in the offense category). Lock down a health pack, harass the backline through invisibility and teleport. And when appropriate, EMP everyone to set up a push for your team.

But the whole 'lockdown a healthkit' making it spawn faster and inaccessible to the enemy team for a minute (AND it persists through death) still sounds OP though.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Away all Goats posted:

Having watched a few streamers now of them playing Sombra, I take back the assertion that she's overpowered. Literally her only way of killing enemies is her SMG which has terrible damage. It's actually kinda interesting that she's listed as an offense hero.

She does however look pretty good as a flanker(which I guess is why she's in the offense category). Lock down a health pack, harass the backline through invisibility and teleport. And when appropriate, EMP everyone to set up a push for your team.

But the whole 'lockdown a healthkit' making it spawn faster and inaccessible to the enemy team for a minute (AND it persists through death) still sounds OP though.

Hacking the healthkit in the side room near the second point on Volskaya can cause major problems for the other team so I'm looking forward to Some showing up.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

strong bird posted:

Alright lets break down the new girls spells and see where they stole them from wholesale.

Spell 1: The hack spell. Well folks this is just a silence. Pretty bargain basement stuff here. Cant really say they stole this spell from anywhere.

Spell 2: The cloak spell. Alright here we get into some risky territory. This is basically the item from Dota 2, Lothar's Edge. Makes you faster and deal damage on breaking cloak. Disgusting stuff.

Spell 3: The blink spell. This is Puck from Dota 2's Illusionary Orb, except it doesnt do damage. Despicable.

Spell 4: The big hack spell. This is Global Silence, Silencer's Ultimate Ability from Dota 2. Giving a character a silence is fine but when you wholesale copy Global Silence (Silencer globally silences every enemy hero on the map) then you begin to rub me the wrong way.

Spell 5: The passive spell. This is the most telling one of all, folks. This spell is 1 for 1 the spell 'Thirst', which may as well be Bloodseeker from Dota 2's signature ability. Blizzard really didn't try to hide this one.
I want you to know I really appreciate this post and the sincere responses it got

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Away all Goats posted:

Having watched a few streamers now of them playing Sombra, I take back the assertion that she's overpowered. Literally her only way of killing enemies is her SMG which has terrible damage. It's actually kinda interesting that she's listed as an offense hero.

She does however look pretty good as a flanker(which I guess is why she's in the offense category). Lock down a health pack, harass the backline through invisibility and teleport. And when appropriate, EMP everyone to set up a push for your team.

But the whole 'lockdown a healthkit' making it spawn faster and inaccessible to the enemy team for a minute (AND it persists through death) still sounds OP though.

Yeah of all the streams I watched, the only players who made her look like she would be a menace were those who basically used her like a 3D tracer that could hack health packs and didn't try anything else. She looked downright bad when people were just using her recall to go back to health packs.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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Roadhog needs no healthpacks gently caress this ho

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
It's going to be funny if Sombra has the exact opposite arc of Ana where everyone thinks she's going to be grotesquely OP on launch and then it turns out she's just sort of okay and everyone shrugs and goes right back to Lucio/Ana/Zarya/Reinhardt/McCree/Reaper/whatever.

strong bird
May 12, 2009

IronicDongz posted:

I want you to know I really appreciate this post and the sincere responses it got

Thank you

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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verbal enema posted:

Roadhog needs no healthpacks gently caress this ho

She hacked your gas and now you can't breathe it

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Hack the hog.

Good Lord Fisher!
Jul 14, 2006

Groovy!

she hacked the gas to become a solid brick

Good Lord Fisher!
Jul 14, 2006

Groovy!

a solid brick of doggie doodoo. May I say.. pwned.

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




She hacked your mask so you can't pull it up.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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Fojar38 posted:

She hacked your gas and now you can't breathe it

oh noooooo@!!!!

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

onlymarfans.com
The Gas Hacker is a p dope name for a serial killer :twisted:

Opposing Farce
Apr 1, 2010

Ever since our drop-off service, I never read a book.
There's always something else around, plus I owe the library nineteen bucks.
I suspect Sombra is going to be decent at killing stuff--making a really rough estimate based on the footage that's out it seems like she can burst down 200 HP heroes in roughly 2-3 seconds if she's landing her shots, which is far from Tracer or Reaper levels of lethality but should be enough to secure a kill if she catches her target off guard. It also seems like her spread is just tight enough that she can build ult plugging tanks and harassing enemies from a comfortable distance, so if she's using her cooldowns well and not getting caught out and killed like the flankers on your pub team always are I think she'll be able to pull her weight.

She doesn't have the mobility to be a persistent nuisance the way Tracer and Genji can, doesn't have the range to be a reliable hitscan damage dealer like McCree, and against reasonably aware teams the whole player hacking ability is going to be very difficult to use effectively. She should be decent at slipping into the enemy backline to get a quick pick and then backing out safely, though, and aside from making her freakishly survivable her medkit control and auto-wallhacks on low-health enemies are very scary for anybody who gets caught away from their team. Whether or not she finds her place in the meta or w/e is probably going to depend on how obscene the EMP+Graviton/Earthshatter combo is, and unless there's some major caveat to EMP we're not aware of yet I'm pretty sure it's going to be obscene.

Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Nov 5, 2016

Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man

Opposing Farce posted:

Whether or not she finds her place in the meta or w/e is probably going to depend on how obscene the EMP+Graviton/Earthshatter combo is, and unless there's some major caveat to EMP we're not aware of yet I'm pretty sure it's going to be obscene.

Well, it is half your team's ults so it should be effective, and will be devastating if you make a mistake.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Unoriginal Name posted:

Anyone pointed out the guardian omnic connected to Rein in the top left?

My initial guess was that was Athena, but then why isn't it connected to Winston?

Who's the black woman (?) who's placed near Reinhardt and Torbjörn but not connected to them?

Genji is connected to the Shimada clan logo, so who's near Hanzo? It almost looks like Zenyatta, but he doesn't have any direct lore connection to Hanzo.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

I, too, am excited for Hacker Lesbian Skrillex.

GodFish
Oct 10, 2012

We're your first, last, and only line of defense. We live in secret. We exist in shadow.

And we dress in black.

Brannock posted:

Who's the black woman (?) who's placed near Reinhardt and Torbjörn but not connected to them?

Isn't she the person who repairs his armor and stuff in the Reinhardt comic?

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
My friends are convinced this girl is going to be OP and i'm just laughing in roadhog.

She seems like an ult bot

SHAOLIN FUCKFIEND
Jan 21, 2008

sombra does not do low damage, i watched some gameplay and she definitely tears through people if you can aim

Dyz
Dec 10, 2010

Help Im Alive posted:

What's with South Korea being so good at Overwatch

E-sports has been a bigger thing for much longer in South Korea thanks to stuff like Broodwar. So they already have a big scene to pull from. It's a lot easier to find good coaches/players/teams in an environment that encourages them.

Ronnie
May 13, 2009

Just in case.
I wonder if Widowmakers infrared can see through Sombra's thermoptic camo?

Opposing Farce
Apr 1, 2010

Ever since our drop-off service, I never read a book.
There's always something else around, plus I owe the library nineteen bucks.

Ronnie posted:

I wonder if Widowmakers infrared can see through Sombra's thermoptic camo?

It can. Sonic arrow can, too, and supposedly 76's ult can target her while she's invisible. I'm not sure if other auto-targeting ults like McCree's will pick her up, though.

gnome7
Oct 21, 2010

Who's this Little
Spaghetti?? ??

Brannock posted:

Who's the black woman (?) who's placed near Reinhardt and Torbjörn but not connected to them?

She is the one founder of Overwatch we haven't met yet, Liao. There is basically zero info on her except she's in the group that founded Overwatch, so she'll probably matter eventually. We've seen her before in a couple of group shots with Reyes and Ana and Morrison when they were all young.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

dogstile posted:

My friends are convinced this girl is going to be OP and i'm just laughing in roadhog.

She seems like an ult bot

She's a health pack bot.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

IronicDongz posted:

she doesn't look at Laura at all except for her hair fam

^this does not look like sombra

though tbf this

is her vs. overwatch meta as soon as she's released

You're blind dude, she looks almost exactly the same.

Ronnie
May 13, 2009

Just in case.

gnome7 posted:

She is the one founder of Overwatch we haven't met yet, Liao. There is basically zero info on her except she's in the group that founded Overwatch, so she'll probably matter eventually. We've seen her before in a couple of group shots with Reyes and Ana and Morrison when they were all young.

Wah? Nnooo that's Brigitte, Reinhardt squire/side kick/protege/carer person. She travels with Reinhardt on adventures as seen in the comic.

http://comic.playoverwatch.com/en-gb/reinhardt-dragon-slayer

turtlecrunch
May 14, 2013

Hesitation is defeat.

Effort post but :ssh: this doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know
Maybe Ana was screwing Gerard

turtlecrunch fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 5, 2016

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER

dogstile posted:

My friends are convinced this girl is going to be OP and i'm just laughing in roadhog.

She seems like an ult bot

You say that until you get hacked and have a discord orb placed on you at the same time.

Attack on Princess
Dec 15, 2008

To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!

turtlecrunch posted:


Effort post but :ssh: this doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know
Maybe Ana was screwing Gerard

The Unknown Omnic walker is the spider tank that Mercy's healing in the early concept art. I'll see if I can find the picture. Can't find it. It's been posted in one of the threads here ages ago though.

Attack on Princess fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Nov 5, 2016

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Donnerberg posted:

The Unknown Omnic walker is the spider tank that Mercy's healing in the early concept art. I'll see if I can find the picture.

I didn't know overwatch had a watch dogs tie in

slydingdoor
Oct 26, 2010

Are you in or are you out?
The one by Ana and Pharah is probably her dad. Who is not Jack or Reinhardt. Likewise, the one by Hanjo is probably his and Genji's parent.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

turtlecrunch posted:


Effort post but :ssh: this doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know
Maybe Ana was screwing Gerard

That unknown faction is the Numbani flag, I think.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Is Sombra supposed to be the grownup version of the girl from the S:76 cinematic?

turtlecrunch
May 14, 2013

Hesitation is defeat.

Tenebrais posted:

That unknown faction is the Numbani flag, I think.

You're right.

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Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



exquisite tea posted:

Is Sombra supposed to be the grownup version of the girl from the S:76 cinematic?

no

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