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Tunicate posted:To be fair humans do that too, why else do you think everyone wants a nice grassy lawn out front? Do you think Scotland invented lawns? No, people don't want lawns because of what they know or don't know about Scotland. Most Americans with lawns think that they were placed there by God 5,000 years ago. They just want lawns to show off arable land that they are not farming smdh
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WickedHate posted:I think he was right to an extent. It was probably for the better there be at least one Gene's Vision guy on staff to at least keep it rooted in Star Trekisms, for better and for worse, or else it really could have been any sci-fi show. Agreed. While the Roddenberry rules (utopia, no human conflict, etc.) are a flawed idea, I respect the guys that tried to roll with it and see what kinds of unique stories the limitation could create rather than whining all the time that they can't write like every other drama.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Agreed. While the Roddenberry rules (utopia, no human conflict, etc.) are a flawed idea, I respect the guys that tried to roll with it and see what kinds of unique stories the limitation could create rather than whining all the time that they can't write like every other drama. At some point, people just burned out on the Roddenberry restrictions (Michael Piller, for example, on Resurrection, although that script's development was a mess for a half-dozen reasons).
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Agreed. While the Roddenberry rules (utopia, no human conflict, etc.) are a flawed idea, I respect the guys that tried to roll with it and see what kinds of unique stories the limitation could create rather than whining all the time that they can't write like every other drama. There are many parts of Star Trek that we're not fond of... there are loose threads... untidy parts of the show that we would like to remove. But when we pull on one of those threads... it unravels the tapestry of the franchise.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Agreed. While the Roddenberry rules (utopia, no human conflict, etc.) are a flawed idea, I respect the guys that tried to roll with it and see what kinds of unique stories the limitation could create rather than whining all the time that they can't write like every other drama. And of course the result led to the Prophets actually signalling through non-linear time, what with the post-9/11 episodes and the Sanctuary districts and so forth.
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how does it feel knowing 9/11 broke your brain because seriously not every loving "liberty vs security" story is a loving post-9/11 story arrrraghahghghghghGHGHGHAGHAGHHAEGHH
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Astroman posted:Kirk was of course originally going to be PIke. hell, my elementary school nurse's last name was Bonebrake
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Okay, but more seriously, the DS9 two-parter with Admiral Haig is really more like a Seven Days In May story.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:hell, my elementary school nurse's last name was Bonebrake My high school baseball coach's name was Jeff Bonebrake.
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CharlieWhiskey posted:Do you think Scotland invented lawns? No, people don't want lawns because of what they know or don't know about Scotland. Most Americans with lawns think that they were placed there by God 5,000 years ago. They just want lawns to show off arable land that they are not farming smdh My farmer grandfather said grass is there to keep dust down around the house and nothing else
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:how does it feel knowing 9/11 broke your brain
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Tunicate posted:To be fair humans do that too, why else do you think everyone wants a nice grassy lawn out front? Big Lawn, obviously!  (Not really, but massive front lawns you spend relatively massive time and resources and huge amounts of potable water on and you never ever use are a good example of a really dumb self-perpetuating social convention In the star trek utopia, front lawns are dead)
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lordlimpet posted:umm... maybe my head needs to be hit occasionally as I really don't get this doctor called Crusher thing? I remember reading a Roddenberry interview where he made a lot of hay about how clever the name was because you have a healer with such a violent sounding name--a contradiction. Of course I'll admit I'm half remembering something I read at some point in the last 30 years so who the gently caress knows. 
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Given the reputation around Roddenberry it sounds plausible enough, and we're well well well within myth-making territory by now so who really cares?
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Rick Berman being crazy also explains why he has done nothing since Enterprise ended
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Baronjutter posted:Also DS9 without an oppositional berman constantly saying no and seemingly missing the point is maybe BSG, which makes DS9's ending look stellar. So maybe he had some sort of positive role. I'm not sure an unsupervised DS9 would have gone quite so far off the rails as BSG did, honestly it probably depends a lot on where Ira Behr would have gone if he'd had unfettered control as I believe he was more the showrunner than Ron Moore was. That said I seem to recall that Berman also occasionally held the studio at arm's length, so it's possible that without Berman some studio dweeb would have demanded changes.
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I'm not well-versed in Trek production history but what little I do know suggests that there was someone around the corner eager to drive whichever show they were closest to directly into the ground at any given moment.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That said I seem to recall that Berman also occasionally held the studio at arm's length, so it's possible that without Berman some studio dweeb would have demanded changes. Yeah. For Berman's credit, he was a great money-man and great at running interference. If he'd kept to that, he would've been ideal. Issue was, he had a vision.
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TNG S2e1: The Child. Picard...has never played with puppies. Wtf? I mean, I guess he's more of a fish guy, but....wtf?
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MikeJF posted:Yeah. For Berman's credit, he was a great money-man and great at running interference. If he'd kept to that, he would've been ideal. Issue was, he had a vision. Vision, you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN6mp5hVSSc
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That was mighty nice of Riker to help that poor fellow with his business problems. drat shame that guy killed himself two weeks later due to nonstop Riker hallucinations at all hours of the day.
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Gonz posted:That was mighty nice of Riker to help that poor fellow with his business problems. Seems more like a workplace shooting in the works.
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WickedHate posted:Seems more like a workplace shooting in the works. *after slaughtering a dozen co-workers* "Reroute through Cleveland. Make it so, Number One." *eats shotgun as SWAT arrives*
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Gonz posted:That was mighty nice of Riker to help that poor fellow with his business problems. "I threw chair after chair at him, but he kept maneuvering over every one. Maneuver after maneuver. And then he'd just lean there. Leaning...."
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Riker explains that he can't alter the past (but this guy can change the future), and then he loving TELEPORTS HIM TO THE FUTURE AND KIDNAPS HIM BY WARPING AWAY! By himself! No other crew! I assume that was pre-Borg Apocalypse Riker. Before the insane-o beard and dirtied uniform.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That said I seem to recall that Berman also occasionally held the studio at arm's length, so it's possible that without Berman some studio dweeb would have demanded changes.
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MikeJF posted:In the star trek utopia, front lawns are dead You say that, but the Picard house had a lawn, pretty sure Old Jake Sisko had a yard outside, and wasn't "landscape architect" one of the jobs Bashir's moron dad had? Plus look at all that wasted "looks nice" lawns at the Academy.
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That's Arcturian Megagrass, it has unique properties that eliminate pollutants from the atmosphere and promotes good health and is the primary ingredient in synthijuana.
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Sash! posted:You say that, but the Picard house had a lawn, pretty sure Old Jake Sisko had a yard outside, and wasn't "landscape architect" one of the jobs Bashir's moron dad had? If the Federation were really dedicated to communist efficiency, every planet would be a 40k Hive World and their ships wouldn't be goddamn luxury hotels.
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Zonko_T.M. posted:That's Arcturian Megagrass, it has unique properties that eliminate pollutants from the atmosphere and promotes good health and is the primary ingredient in synthijuana. Synthijuana lol. Looks like skunk, smells like skunk, but will never make you high 
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Have you ever seen the back of a bar of gold-pressed latinum... on synthijuana?
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Delsaber posted:Have you ever seen the back of a bar of gold-pressed latinum... on synthijuana? There's a Cardassian in the bushes. Does he have a disruptor? I don't know! Red Squad Go! Red Squad Go!
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WickedHate posted:If the Federation were really dedicated to communist efficiency, every planet would be a 40k Hive World and their ships wouldn't be goddamn luxury hotels.
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Knormal posted:That's why the Klingons abruptly broke the Khitomer Accords, then everything was back to normal half a season later. Some exec said "The public expects the Klingons to be the bad guys! Make them the bad guys again!" Luckily that exec lost interest or got fired or something so it didn't have a lasting effect. That's not really true. Ira Steven Behr posted:There had been some talk of doing an episode in which the Vulcans pull out of the Federation, which was how the fourth season would have opened. Then I watched the episode “The Die Is Cast” and the line the Founder said, “The only thing we have to worry about in the Alpha Quadrant is the Federation and Klingon alliance, and that won’t be a threat for much longer.” That just leaped out at me. Suddenly the light went on. I called Ron Moore into my office and said, “You know the line”— which he wrote—“ think about it. Maybe we’re making a mistake. Maybe the Vulcans should not be the ones leaving the Federation. Maybe it’s the Klingons who should break off diplomatic relations. That might have more heat to it.” I brought the idea to Rick Berman and he said, “Bingo! The Klingons. It’s gotta be Klingons.” We met with Paramount and they said, “It’s an okay idea, but you guys don’t understand: We want something even bigger than the Klingons.” The studio-mandated thing was bringing Worf over to DS9.
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They stole that plot line somewhat in the novels a few years ago when Andor briefly leaves the Federation.
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Nessus posted:They ain't got enough dudes each whole colony planet has literally tens of people
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FlamingLiberal posted:They stole that plot line somewhat in the novels a few years ago when Andor briefly leaves the Federation. Anexit
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FlamingLiberal posted:They stole that plot line somewhat in the novels a few years ago when Andor briefly leaves the Federation. What happened to the Ewoks?
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