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RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...
Vox is a good host and a nice fella for trying to help me get Humanitarian, even if my own stupidity hosed things up.

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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

RandallODim posted:

Vox is a good host and a nice fella for trying to help me get Humanitarian, even if my own stupidity hosed things up.

Well, we were 3-manning with a pub, I think there was plenty of blame to go around.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...

Discendo Vox posted:

Well, we were 3-manning with a pub, I think there was plenty of blame to go around.

It's true, though my flashbanging myself and not realizing I was the only one standing wasn't my brightest moment.

E: basically, my random luck of running into a fellow goon has taught me that I should group with non-pubs more often when trying to do a thing.

RandallODim fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Nov 5, 2016

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

IndianaZoidberg posted:

Don't mind this. It's just Damion Poitier dancing like a badass.

https://www.periscope.tv/EricEtebari/1PlJQkZwZvzKE

:five:

TopHatGenius
Oct 3, 2008

something feels
different

Hot Rope Guy
I am in love with the John Wick pack weapons. They sound soo good and they feel soo right. The Jackal is kinda funny because on paper its the same as the CR 805B but it sounds and feels soo much better. All the gunfeels are goodfeels.

djw175
Apr 23, 2012

by zen death robot
So what's the primary shotgun to use nowadays? I remember when I use to play it was the IZHMA. Has that changed or is auto shotty still the best option?

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Why the gently caress are my third and fourth profiles using a shared skill set? If I change or purge one skill it switches it up on the other as well, but the weapons and masks don't?

djw175
Apr 23, 2012

by zen death robot

Crabtree posted:

Why the gently caress are my third and fourth profiles using a shared skill set? If I change or purge one skill it switches it up on the other as well, but the weapons and masks don't?

The sets are all based on your 5 skill sets. So if you only have 3 of them unlocked or set multiple profiles to use the same one, it will change the skills on all the profiles. It's really annoying and it's not really something they tell you. It's also annoying when you're trying to infamy since you're not level 100 so you only have 3 instead of 4 or 5 if you did Tabula Rasa.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Yeah I have them all unlocked, only for some reason 3 and 4 are strangely linked in that they share the same exact skill tree I build despite how I try to keep them separate skill builds. 1,2 and 5 don't have this weird annoying poo poo going on, but 3 and 4 won't stop sharing points I only want to spend in one tree instead of both simultaneously and I don't know how to unfuck that.

djw175
Apr 23, 2012

by zen death robot

Crabtree posted:

Yeah I have them all unlocked, only for some reason 3 and 4 are for some reason linked in that they share the same exact skill tree I build despite how I try to keep them separate skill builds. 1,2 and 5 don't have this weird annoying poo poo going on, but 3 and 4 won't stop causing me problems.

Go into them and make sure they're manually set to skill set 3 and 4 and not the same one. It's not automatically synced. My first profile has my third skill set for example.

Laputanmachine
Oct 31, 2010

by Smythe
Yeah, you have to first manually set the skill sets to certain slots or it works very wonkily or not at all. Just go through every skill set and make sure they are on separate slots. Then it should work perfectly.

swims
May 5, 2014

Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.

djw175 posted:

So what's the primary shotgun to use nowadays? I remember when I use to play it was the IZHMA. Has that changed or is auto shotty still the best option?

Jocelyn *
* console player

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

djw175 posted:

So what's the primary shotgun to use nowadays? I remember when I use to play it was the IZHMA. Has that changed or is auto shotty still the best option?

If you've got the Biker and BBQ packs, the Breaker shotgun + dragons breath is my favorite shotgun. The max ammo count is abysmal, while the reload speed (if you have the shotgun skill and bloodthirst aced) is the fastest reload in the game. The range on it is just incredible (tested only with dragons breath), I could snipe snipers on Hotline Miami with ease, Far Away ace boosts that even more.

So pretty much if you take double stuff ammo bags and fully loaded, you won't have as big of a problem with the max ammo, but you might wanna take the loco or street sweeper along with it.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

spit on my clit posted:

If you've got the Biker and BBQ packs, the Breaker shotgun + dragons breath is my favorite shotgun. The max ammo count is abysmal, while the reload speed (if you have the shotgun skill and bloodthirst aced) is the fastest reload in the game. The range on it is just incredible (tested only with dragons breath), I could snipe snipers on Hotline Miami with ease, Far Away ace boosts that even more.

So pretty much if you take double stuff ammo bags and fully loaded, you won't have as big of a problem with the max ammo, but you might wanna take the loco or street sweeper along with it.
The reload animation of the Breaker when reloading from zero to full (the Terminator 2 spin) is loving hysterical when you speed it up that fast.

Roberto_Silencio
Mar 9, 2004

lets start advertising and make us some real money

djw175 posted:

So what's the primary shotgun to use nowadays? I remember when I use to play it was the IZHMA. Has that changed or is auto shotty still the best option?

On my shotgun builds, I still use the Loco as my main weapon and back it up with a Piglet from the BBQ pack, loaded with incendiary grenades.

THE CHORSE
May 17, 2005

CHORSY MOOMS CHORSE JEEF

Roberto_Silencio posted:

On my shotgun builds, I still use the Loco as my main weapon and back it up with a Piglet from the BBQ pack, loaded with incendiary grenades.

This guy... this guy gets it.
Might I also suggest a Mosconi or Joceline paired with an incendiary China Puff? One of those shotguns with flechettes and the right skills will one-shot tasers and medics from a surprising distance. They don't benefit much from some shotgun skills, which can free up some points if that's what you're looking for. I think that the reload speed of the China Puff more than makes up for the reduced ammo count relative to the Piglet, and the fact that you're using incendiaries means that ammo probably won't be much of a pinch anyway. I've found myself in plenty of situations where I'm out of ammo for my primary shotgun and I use my last incendiary grenade to farm up more than enough ammo to keep going.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
The following is from one of the community mods on the bug reporting subforum, as a comment on the Long Guide:

quote:

Hmmm, due to your despository I found 37 cases (as in 37 individual files, several of them having multiple errors, some up to 20) where Mayhem and One Down haven't properly been interjected. Passed those on to Overkill, hopefully they'll all be fixed. Also a whole bunch of mismatches between actual sidejob trigger conditions and descriptions. :/
So thanks for that, but I'm fairly dissapointed in the sheer amount of errors found :(

Soral
May 30, 2009

djw175 posted:

So what's the primary shotgun to use nowadays? I remember when I use to play it was the IZHMA. Has that changed or is auto shotty still the best option?

i'm likely the only person in the world that feels this way but the m1014 feels really good to use. i really love it

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Soral posted:

i'm likely the only person in the world that feels this way but the m1014 feels really good to use. i really love it
I think that I use the m1014 and like it. It's been a month since I have played regularly but that sounds like the right thing.

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...
Dumb question: Is there some other benefit to improving a weapon's Concealment stat? In terms of doing stealth missions, you don't need anything with really strong attack strength, since guards don't really have any armor. Some of the weapons, like the double-barrelled shotgun, have mods that improve the Concealment stat, but they can't be silenced (making them useless for stealth missions), and the mods decrease other stats like Accuracy and Stability. The only real benefit I see is if you're doing stealth without restarts, and you want something to fall back on, but even then you'd probably be using lighter armor and wouldn't last that long anyway.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011

Max Wilco posted:

Dumb question: Is there some other benefit to improving a weapon's Concealment stat? In terms of doing stealth missions, you don't need anything with really strong attack strength, since guards don't really have any armor. Some of the weapons, like the double-barrelled shotgun, have mods that improve the Concealment stat, but they can't be silenced (making them useless for stealth missions), and the mods decrease other stats like Accuracy and Stability. The only real benefit I see is if you're doing stealth without restarts, and you want something to fall back on, but even then you'd probably be using lighter armor and wouldn't last that long anyway.

dodge builds

djw175
Apr 23, 2012

by zen death robot

Max Wilco posted:

Dumb question: Is there some other benefit to improving a weapon's Concealment stat? In terms of doing stealth missions, you don't need anything with really strong attack strength, since guards don't really have any armor. Some of the weapons, like the double-barrelled shotgun, have mods that improve the Concealment stat, but they can't be silenced (making them useless for stealth missions), and the mods decrease other stats like Accuracy and Stability. The only real benefit I see is if you're doing stealth without restarts, and you want something to fall back on, but even then you'd probably be using lighter armor and wouldn't last that long anyway.

Getting them to 25/5 is important for dodge builds depending on whether you ace sneaky bastard or not.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Crit/dodge builds, my man. You can ace Second Wind in the silencer branch of the Ghost tree, and then ace Low Blow (you dont need to ace it if you can easily get 3-5 detection risk total), but dodge is harder to get to as it's the final skill of the middle Ghost tree.

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

I still like the Steakout with full shotgun build but I'm a bad.

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

spit on my clit posted:

Crit/dodge builds, my man. You can ace Second Wind in the silencer branch of the Ghost tree, and then ace Low Blow (you dont need to ace it if you can easily get 3-5 detection risk total), but dodge is harder to get to as it's the final skill of the middle Ghost tree.

I keep forgetting about dodge builds. I guess I should give it a try and see how it works.

Tamayachi
Sep 25, 2007

Did you think about it?


Yes. Yes you did.

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Man I restarted Golden Grin so many times because my spotter kept backing into guards while in casing mode. I don't want to go do it again god drat it.

If I'm not mistaken, as long as your spotter doesn't nab the gear out of the guitar case they pretty much get free rein over the place, even in the employee only area.

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Soral posted:

i'm likely the only person in the world that feels this way but the m1014 feels really good to use. i really love it

Some kind goon suggested it and I enjoy it with a backup HE Judge for my silenced Inspire Dodge build.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

spit on my clit posted:

If you've got the Biker and BBQ packs, the Breaker shotgun + dragons breath is my favorite shotgun. The max ammo count is abysmal, while the reload speed (if you have the shotgun skill and bloodthirst aced) is the fastest reload in the game. The range on it is just incredible (tested only with dragons breath), I could snipe snipers on Hotline Miami with ease, Far Away ace boosts that even more.

So pretty much if you take double stuff ammo bags and fully loaded, you won't have as big of a problem with the max ammo, but you might wanna take the loco or street sweeper along with it.
Do you build your Breaker fit accuracy when doing this?

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete

djw175 posted:

So what's the primary shotgun to use nowadays? I remember when I use to play it was the IZHMA. Has that changed or is auto shotty still the best option?

Loco's still king of the shotguns.
Judge is good for dodge builds, and the highest damage secondary aside from the China Lake and Pistol Crossbow. Tiny ammo pool and not very good pickup though.
Goliath benefits massively from Close By aced, but is pretty unremarkable otherwise.
Joceline, Mosconi, and Breaker are all valid options, especially with Far Away aced and Dragon's Breath.
Reinfeld and Raven are both inferior to the Loco because of their slower fire rate, but the Raven at least can be cut down or have a much larger magazine.
If you can get the SPAS-12 or M1014 above 80 damage, you can one shot Tans with headshots on Overkill, and they're pretty fun to use.
The AA-12/Steakout is pretty much a direct upgrade to the IZHMA, but with a slower reload speed.
I can't really think of a good reason to use the Striker.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Do you build your Breaker fit accuracy when doing this?

Accuracy doesn't affect the range, just the spread of the pellets. Only time you want accuracy boosting mods in a shotgun is if you're using slugs or HE, or its base accuracy is abysmal (in the 10s or 20s) and you want the spread to be a bit less wide.

A Reinfeld modded for 100 or so accuracy will land all its pellets in same spot, and you might as well be using slugs or a sniper rifle at that point.

Concordat fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Nov 6, 2016

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

So is there any word about getting our trophies back or what

Tamayachi posted:

If I'm not mistaken, as long as your spotter doesn't nab the gear out of the guitar case they pretty much get free rein over the place, even in the employee only area.

Yeah but you can't mark guards in civ mode and asking an unmasked guy in casing mode not to backpedal into guards in the middle of the casino floor is, I thought, not that big a request.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mendrian posted:

I still like the Steakout with full shotgun build but I'm a bad.

Nothing wrong here, It is still good for Mayhem.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Do you build your Breaker fit accuracy when doing this?

Yeah, I've got the king's crown compensator, but the +4 boost went into stability

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Do you build your Breaker fit accuracy when doing this?

I built mine for the lowest possible accuracy. It was still possible to countersnipe with it with Far Away aced, and it would decimate anything in the same room as you. It's pretty garbage on neo deathwish because of the absurd health values though.

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I just figured out why mods were hosed and not working. They were in the entirely wrong HDD partition for my install. :downs:

e - apparently BetterLightFX is broken. Does Loose Ammo Contours still work fine?

e2 - that still works apparently. What was the fix for goonmod again about weapon customizers, so it doesn't crash when I edit a weapon?

E3 - Yay black screen on loading into a heist error. I think it's my IPH dll that's causing the problem though. Disabling or temporarily moving mods doesn't fix the problem.

Mercedes Colomar fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Nov 6, 2016

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Nehru the Damaja posted:

So is there any word about getting our trophies back or what

Yes. It will happen. Alternately, do them again for an extra 12 coins.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Max Wilco posted:

In terms of doing stealth missions, you don't need anything with really strong attack strength, since guards don't really have any armor.

The rest of this was answered, but I thought it was worth pointing out that Murkies have higher HP than regular guards so if you manage to alert them on Shadow Raid or Murky Station, you definitely have use for something with a bit more punch. Though I've regularly gotten lucky just spraying them down with ye olde stealth CAR-4.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
I hate speed run achivements. I am loving finishing Safe House Nightmare 1D legitimately with pubs and yet I'm always 3 minutes too slow to hit the train. Vox, use your obsession for good and check if there is a way to manipulate the wheel to see if it can land early on key.

Haerc
Jan 2, 2011
Goonmod seems to be out of date, what mods should I be using otherwise? The last time I played hoxhud was good?

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Crabtree posted:

I hate speed run achivements. I am loving finishing Safe House Nightmare 1D legitimately with pubs and yet I'm always 3 minutes too slow to hit the train. Vox, use your obsession for good and check if there is a way to manipulate the wheel to see if it can land early on key.

You have to be doing something way wrong to be a full three minutes too slow. Keep in mind the finish line is halfway through the very first train car you reach via the zipline(s), not the final escape zone.

Haerc posted:

Goonmod seems to be out of date, what mods should I be using otherwise? The last time I played hoxhud was good?

IIRC, HoxHud has been thoroughly busted for a while and Olipro has been working on rewriting his hook so it can actually remotely function again. Regardless, you're not going to find many HH fans around here because reasons. WolfHUD seems to be the new hotness, and PocoHUD is still around. Edit: Oh yeah, also there's a bevy of standalone mods to do all sorts of useful (or stupid) things.

John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Nov 6, 2016

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Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.

Haerc posted:

Goonmod seems to be out of date, what mods should I be using otherwise? The last time I played hoxhud was good?

Goon mod was more or less implemented into the game, so all you need is whatever UI/HUD mod you enjoy.

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