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Sigma-X
Jun 17, 2005

Rinkles posted:

I believe Nahiri in Restore Balance is pretty stock (as niche as the deck itself is).

Could be, I haven't seen a list since nahiri was printed. Nahiri+Bloodmoon + the additional maindeck sweepers seems like exactly what the deck needs to fight the field.

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GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Went 5-1 playing a GPT with Grixis Dynavolt. I'm so glad that everyone at my LGS for standard just plays whatever they want. Never once faced UW Flash or Vehicles the entire time. Beat Jund Gearhulks, Sultai Aetherworks, Azban Fabricate, Grixis Emerge, and GB Eldrazi. Only lost for GR Energy. Split the finals with the Emerge player because I was tired as hell playing a Control deck for that long. I was also so happy to beat the Emerge deck because I had played against the guy every week at FNM for the past month and never was able to beat him until now, 2-0.

AkumaHokoru
Jul 20, 2007

Rinkles posted:

Did not know about the Melira / Inkmoth interaction. Inkmoth doesn't lose infect if it activates w/ Melira on board. Meaning it can't even deal conventional damage.

wait what? inkmoth just loses infect. it still becomes a 1/1 flying artifact creature. losing infect means it deals normal damage instead of poison counter damage

Mezzanon
Sep 16, 2003

Pillbug

AkumaHokoru posted:

wait what? inkmoth just loses infect. it still becomes a 1/1 flying artifact creature. losing infect means it deals normal damage instead of poison counter damage



Wrong due to how layers work.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
http://blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2013/06/melira-and-inkmoth-nexus/

Lawnie
Sep 6, 2006

That is my helmet
Give it back
you are a lion
It doesn't even fit
Grimey Drawer
Layers: not even once

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


There's a rules layers joke here but as always I'm bad at the jokes.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

AkumaHokoru posted:

wait what? inkmoth just loses infect. it still becomes a 1/1 flying artifact creature. losing infect means it deals normal damage instead of poison counter damage

Melira comes in, all creatures lose infect as long as she is on the oard.
Inkmoth Nexus, not a creature, becomes a 1/1 flying artifact creature with infect, thus, gaining infect.

Players cannot gain poison counters and creatures cannot get -1/-1 counters.

Thus, Inkmoth is a 1/1 flyer that can't do damage.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


See if people freak out about what happens if you activate Inkmoth in response to Melira being placed on the stack.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Chill la Chill posted:

See if people freak out about what happens if you activate Inkmoth in response to Melira being placed on the stack.

But that works exactly as it should?

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Count Bleck posted:

But that works exactly as it should?

It's the exact same rules interaction but nobody freaks out about it.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Chill la Chill posted:

It's the exact same rules interaction but nobody freaks out about it.

Doesn't one end up with the Inkmoth being unable to deal damage?

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Chill la Chill posted:

It's the exact same rules interaction but nobody freaks out about it.

Except for the part where Inkmoth gets to deal normal damage if they do it your way.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


suicidesteve posted:

Except for the part where Inkmoth gets to deal normal damage if they do it your way.

Correct.

Zemyla
Aug 6, 2008

I'll take her off your hands. Pleasure doing business with you!
It's Battle of Wits!

https://twitter.com/chosler88/status/794952005362085888

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀


That's like 400+ cards.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!
Nothing is more satisfying than watching a guy triple-fork two Lightning Bolts with three active Ascensions.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Dr. Stab posted:

That's like 400+ cards.

How do you actually shuffle that to an acceptable degree of randomness in the time allotted?

Is the answer just "you don't"?

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Dr. Stab posted:

That's like 400+ cards.

i think most Battle of Wits decks are about 240 - 250 cards actually

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Entropic posted:

How do you actually shuffle that to an acceptable degree of randomness in the time allotted?

Is the answer just "you don't"?

Basically. You can sufficiently randomize it with the help of your opponent, but by yourself you cannot shuffle it enough in 3 minutes while also resolving mulligans.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



mandatory lesbian posted:

i think most Battle of Wits decks are about 240 - 250 cards actually

this is correct

Entropic posted:

How do you actually shuffle that to an acceptable degree of randomness in the time allotted?

Is the answer just "you don't"?

I legit think battle of wits could be a legit deck, but the fact that it probably costs a billion dollars and is unplayable in paper because of this makes it not a thing

E: what is a thing this game: a hardcast street wraith

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Huey's been pretty great.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

Well gently caress. I'm pretty sure there has to be a game or two somewhere that I incorrectly lost to regular damage on an Inkmoth back in my Pod days.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Even in a Battle of Wits deck Scapeshift is a better win condition.

Injuryprone
Sep 26, 2007

Speak up, there's something in my ear.

So what's the deal, does emerge suck or not?

Niton
Oct 21, 2010

Your Lord and Savior has finally arrived!

..got any kibble?
https://clips.twitch.tv/channelfireball/LongArmadilloArgieB8

LSV does not like Lantern Control.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Injuryprone posted:

So what's the deal, does emerge suck or not?

Emerge is a solid mechanic that's seen reasonable amounts of standard play

Injuryprone
Sep 26, 2007

Speak up, there's something in my ear.

Elyv posted:

Emerge is a solid mechanic that's seen reasonable amounts of standard play

Even for cards that aren't Elder Deep Fiend?

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Elder Deep Fiend is a home run but quite a lot of the others are just strong enough to show up in lesser numbers (Wretched Gryff, Distended Mindbender, the one that Griptides a thing, possibly the Craterhoof) to round out the theme. It's a well balanced mechanic.

80s James Hetfield
Jan 20, 2004

METAL UP YOUR ASS
Jim Davis being Jim Davis I see

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Injuryprone posted:

Even for cards that aren't Elder Deep Fiend?

Most keywords get one or two standard playable things that will migrate to Eternal if they're lucky.

Injuryprone
Sep 26, 2007

Speak up, there's something in my ear.

TheKingofSprings posted:

Most keywords get one or two standard playable things that will migrate to Eternal if they're lucky.

I just want to build a cool tribal deck to play with friends that isn't complete rear end.

muon
Sep 13, 2008

by Reene
I may have missed it on the GP Dallas stream, do we know what the other decks are in the top 8?

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Injuryprone posted:

I just want to build a cool tribal deck to play with friends that isn't complete rear end.

What tribe and is this in standard or modern

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
Skred Red is in the top eight. Glad I got that deck put together as my first Modern deck :v:

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Star Man posted:

Skred Red is in the top eight. Glad I got that deck put together as my first Modern deck :v:

It's good

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

I know. People have completely forgotten how to respect Blood Moon.

Oh god, the CFB commentary is just melting down over it.

MiddleEastBeast
Jan 19, 2003

Forum Bully

TheKingofSprings posted:

What tribe and is this in standard or modern

the emerge tribe

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Marshall and Huey making GBS threads on a dude's deck when he made the semifinals of a 2000-person GP, come on

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AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

MiddleEastBeast posted:

the emerge tribe

I want to see Grixis Horror Tribal.

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