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cant cook creole bream posted:Personally, I'm not a big fan of the minimum wage. At least not for you guys. It just doesn't make a lot of sense in a country which is so divided into large urban cities and rural nothingness. If your small business can't afford to pay its employees enough to live then your small business probably should be destroyed. Nobody should get to benefit from profiting from someone's time and effort without being able to assure that effort gets a fair pay.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Personally, I'm not a big fan of the minimum wage. At least not for you guys. It just doesn't make a lot of sense in a country which is so divided into large urban cities and rural nothingness. Minimum wage by itself is kind of meaningless. Minimum wage with rent/price controls in urban areas would be great but lol if ever getting the US out of its crab mentality to do that.
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Facebook just reminded me that a few days out from the 2012 election the Obama campaign was running ads about how Romney's pledge to cut PBS funding would kill Big Bird. ""I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot Big Bird and I wouldn't lose voters" - DJT, probably
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Trabisnikof posted:See and I'd take it because that means a real difference in the lives of working Americans. For the first year. Minimum wage increases aren't about that first year, though. They're more significant to the successive years. The last raise was ten years ago. Ten years from now $7 and $11 will both be unlivable wages, just as they are now. The issue going away for years after action on it isn't some failure of activism, it's the natural result of there only being so much RAM in public discourse. There are a lot of issues - too many for us to have to make some standing appointment to revisit the minimum wage. Going a few more years at $7 would be well worth it if it meant the Deplorables start joining the chorus for there to be a real, self-sustaining solution that came about as the result of an "only Nixon could go to China" moment for Future Republican President whoever.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Personally, I'm not a big fan of the minimum wage. At least not for you guys. It just doesn't make a lot of sense in a country which is so divided into large urban cities and rural nothingness. It's more that we're saying "no matter which Bumfuck Emptyville you live in you'll make $_." As Clinton comments, the national minimum wage is a floor and cities and states should go above that floor.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Personally, I'm not a big fan of the minimum wage. At least not for you guys. It just doesn't make a lot of sense in a country which is so divided into large urban cities and rural nothingness. This is actually kind of a dumb argument because it doesn't seem to account for the fact that cost of living is generally tied to quality of available resources.
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ImpAtom posted:If your small business can't afford to pay its employees enough to live then your small business probably should be destroyed. Nobody should get to benefit from profiting from someone's time and effort without being able to assure that effort gets a fair pay. The argument is that flat rate minimum wage doesn't work. For example, if your cost of living is so low, that you could survive better on 5 dollars an hour, than a New Yorker could with 20, it doesn't make sense to say that both should get at least 10 dollars. For the New Yorker it's still way less than necessary, but it might be more than the boss of the rural guy makes. (Those numbers are just a theoretical example.) Minimum wage only works if it is comparable to the cost of living. But I digress. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Nov 6, 2016 |
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5436 posted:Trump win Ohio? Seems less than likely. Polls are showing a tied race but indications point to Dem internal polling painting a different story. Regardless it's probably going to be one of the closest states come Election day.
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cant cook creole bream posted:The argument is that flat rate minimum wage doesn't work. For example, if your cost of living is so low, that you could survive better on 5 dollars an hour, than a New Yorker could with 20, it doesn't make sense to say that both should get at least 10 dollars. Again, you are not taking into account why cost of living is so low in these rural areas ( hint it's because their rural areas with lesser resources available in a community ) . Sure your 11 dollar minimum wage is a great pay in bumfuck North Dakota, but when you have to own a car and drive 45 miles to go to the doctor.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I'm toxxed for Hillary and voting for her despite being a Socialist Party member, I just think it's annoying how Bernie gets held up as a paragon of the left despite being a social democrat capitalist. Social Democrats are left, friend.
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If all goes well, and assuming the latino vote surge holds, this is my expected result: But, I can see NC and/or FL going red.
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I really do not like how narrow this still feels. Clinton is running against the most utterly inept and probable fascist in at least a century, and she has to not only run an absolutely perfect campaign without a single hiccup, but she also has to have the largest GOTV operation over a virtually non-existent opposition just to have enough one-point-leads in battleground states. Simply having a "structural advantage" really isn't the sort of the assurance you'd want to have when 40% of your voting population is calling for a descent into authoritarianism. All this buys us is 4 or 8 more years off the razor's edge before it will come back. For all their current troubles, the Republicans have a pretty sweet gig going on. They can do literally nothing and still get 45% of the vote.
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ImpAtom posted:If your small business can't afford to pay its employees enough to live then your small business probably should be destroyed. Nobody should get to benefit from profiting from someone's time and effort without being able to assure that effort gets a fair pay. Who decides what fair pay is? A person living in New York undoubtedly needs more money to live on compared to me in TX, but I'm not agree with them getting paid minimum more than me, it's still the government saying a business can be allowed to pay me less than someone else.
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Morroque posted:For all their current troubles, the Republicans have a pretty sweet gig going on. They can do literally nothing and still get 45% of the vote. because the vast majority of voters don't care about anything besides their team winning whether it be D or R they just check the boxes that coincide with their team and pay very little attention to who they are actually voting for.
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Morroque posted:I really do not like how narrow this still feels. Clinton is running against the most utterly inept and probable fascist in at least a century, and she has to not only run an absolutely perfect campaign without a single hiccup, but she also has to have the largest GOTV operation over a virtually non-existent opposition just to have enough one-point-leads in battleground states. Simply having a "structural advantage" really isn't the sort of the assurance you'd want to have when 40% of your voting population is calling for a descent into authoritarianism. All this buys us is 4 or 8 more years off the razor's edge before it will come back. The electorate will be far less white in 8 years. The GOP will either have to change or die going forward. Which means they are going to die.
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Morroque posted:I really do not like how narrow this still feels. Clinton is running against the most utterly inept and probable fascist in at least a century, and she has to not only run an absolutely perfect campaign without a single hiccup, but she also has to have the largest GOTV operation over a virtually non-existent opposition just to have enough one-point-leads in battleground states. Simply having a "structural advantage" really isn't the sort of the assurance you'd want to have when 40% of your voting population is calling for a descent into authoritarianism. All this buys us is 4 or 8 more years off the razor's edge before it will come back.
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Showing off our maps, eh? Here's my "totally underestimating the hispanic vote" map: I concede I might be wrong... about Alaska. 
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Morroque posted:I really do not like how narrow this still feels. Clinton is running against the most utterly inept and probable fascist in at least a century, and she has to not only run an absolutely perfect campaign without a single hiccup, but she also has to have the largest GOTV operation over a virtually non-existent opposition just to have enough one-point-leads in battleground states. Simply having a "structural advantage" really isn't the sort of the assurance you'd want to have when 40% of your voting population is calling for a descent into authoritarianism. All this buys us is 4 or 8 more years off the razor's edge before it will come back. I thought Slate's article about Sean Penn getting the democratic nomination was the most Slate-Pitch bullshit I've ever read, but I do think roughly daily during this campaign about what it would take to get me to note vote, to vote third party, or to vote for an actual republican. I'm basically a single-issue voter on the graduated income tax. I don't know how bad poo poo would have to get before I'd vote for any modern republican, since they all basically disagree with that. Edit - which is to say, yes Trump is objectively horrible. Also yes he exposes the lie that is conservative christianity. But I'm not sure we should have expected Republicans not to come home to roost. They really care about their tax codes. This is ignoring the racists, but there's no reason to think they wouldn't have supported Trump.
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Hollismason posted:Again, you are not taking into account why cost of living is so low in these rural areas ( hint it's because their rural areas with lesser resources available in a community ) . Sure your 11 dollar minimum wage is a great pay in bumfuck North Dakota, but when you have to own a car and drive 45 miles to go to the doctor. Fair enough. I was factoring transportation and healthcare costs into the cost of living in this theoretical example but you might be right. I might change my mind and share your opinion, but until I have some statistics and data about this, I guess I refrain from making a judgment on this topic.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The electorate will be far less white in 8 years. The GOP will either have to change or die going forward. Which means they are going to die. I really, really hope we can hold them off until they suffocate and die, because man. It is awful having every single election be a matter of life and death (possibly literally depending on your circumstances) and even victory being only a bit of forward progress because the other side is so dedicated to obstruction that they would destroy the country rather than be seen helping the opposition. I am really, really hoping that Obama and Holder's anti-gerrymandering fight and the various lawsuits against voter suppression go well. That would take a few more years off the GOP's life.
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berserker posted:If all goes well, and assuming the latino vote surge holds, this is my expected result: Yeah this is the most reasonable map I think, anything on top of this is gravy, anything less is under performing.
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Chelb posted:Polls are showing a tied race but indications point to Dem internal polling painting a different story. Regardless it's probably going to be one of the closest states come Election day. I meant Hillary wins Ohio less than likely. But I agree I think it'll be close and trump winning. He's been strong there and Iowa for a while.
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berserker posted:If all goes well, and assuming the latino vote surge holds, this is my expected result: I see you've stolen my prediction map from USPOL. 
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cant cook creole bream posted:Fair enough. I was factoring transportation and healthcare costs into the cost of living in this theoretical example but you might be right. It's a interesting topic it's pretty well researched that Rural Low income families generally have 1. Lower standards of housing and substandard housing . 2. Less access to medical care . There's a lot of research into this.
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berserker posted:If all goes well, and assuming the latino vote surge holds, this is my expected result: That's what I predict with NC also going red maybe.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The electorate will be far less white in 8 years. The GOP will either have to change or die going forward. Which means they are going to die. Hahaha, people said the same poo poo for this election and Obama's re-election. But I bet you're right this time!
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FlamingLiberal posted:Did he forget that Michael Bloomberg was threatening to run purely as a spoiler if Bernie got the nomination? Bloomberg wouldn't have actually been a spoiler if he ran third party. Moderate Dems aren't going to switch to third party, just like moderate Republicans didn't.
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Spacebump posted:Bloomberg wouldn't have actually been a spoiler if he ran third party. Moderate Dems aren't going to switch to third party, just like moderate Republicans didn't. I would strongly consider voting for Bloomberg over Bernie if he was close in VA because Bernie is a legit moron who doesn't understand how regulation of the financial system actually works and ignores real issues for rhetoric that plays well with his base but wouldn't actually change anything.
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Its just statistical fact that the voting demographics over the next 12 years are going to move toward more minority voters and more progressive voters. http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/the-parties-on-the-eve-of-the-2016-election-two-coalitions-moving-further-apart/
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hahaha, people said the same poo poo for this election and Obama's re-election. But I bet you're right this time! I mean, they were right in 2012 and they're right this year too. The GOP is at a huge disadvantage to win the White House as long as they remain exclusively the party of old white men.
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berserker posted:If all goes well, and assuming the latino vote surge holds, this is my expected result: This is the true map.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hahaha, people said the same poo poo for this election and Obama's re-election. But I bet you're right this time! You can look at it from a few different view points. But if the GOP stopped existing for whatever reason without there also being massive changes to the way politics works in the US it would probably be destabilizing for the country as a whole. Right now you have a party and a place for all the extremist right wing nut jobs to vent their political frustrations that has been fairly stable for a while and without that something different would fill that power vacuum and it may or may not be a good thing.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hahaha, people said the same poo poo for this election and Obama's re-election. But I bet you're right this time! *he says, as record Latino turnout crushes Trump to dust*
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axeil posted:I would strongly consider voting for Bloomberg over Bernie if he was close in VA because Bernie is a legit moron who doesn't understand how regulation of the financial system actually works and ignores real issues for rhetoric that plays well with his base but wouldn't actually change anything. When it tightened up between Bernie and Trump. Bloomberg would have no chance and most people with your line of thinking would probably come home to Bernie. Lots of Republicans said the exact same thing about Trump in the primary. You might not specifically have, but more would have than wouldn't. A third party candidate would never have won this election.
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berserker posted:If all goes well, and assuming the latino vote surge holds, this is my expected result: This seems like the closest to reality, but I don't want Iowa to go for Trump  I thought we were cornfed decent liberal buddies like Minnesota now 
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