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DarthRoblox
Nov 25, 2007
*rolls ankle* *gains 15lbs* *apologizes to TFLC* *rolls ankle*...
Is the general consensus that this site is going to pretty much dry up completely after the 8th?

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Discospawn
Mar 3, 2007

Yeah, after the election the only things left are going to be the short-term, flip-a-coin polling markets, or long-term 'will a supreme court justice be confirmed in next 6 months' markets.

And boy, in the last 24 hours my 'gain/loss' has improved dramatically. I guess people were really expecting things to keep getting exponentially worse for Clinton, and when they leveled out they regained their senses.

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006


Has anyone successfully been able to sneak into a contract once it's reached max users if someone sells their shares or something? I've maxed out Hillary YES and VP Pence NO, but I didn't get into the other contracts early enough and I'm wondering if there is a way to get in by continuously refreshing or something.

huge pile of hamburger
Nov 4, 2009

Discospawn posted:

Yeah, after the election the only things left are going to be the short-term, flip-a-coin polling markets, or long-term 'will a supreme court justice be confirmed in next 6 months' markets.

And boy, in the last 24 hours my 'gain/loss' has improved dramatically. I guess people were really expecting things to keep getting exponentially worse for Clinton, and when they leveled out they regained their senses.

Ive gone from +2900 just before the comey bullshit, to -1600 earlier this week, back to +1300 right now, and i havent traded at all.

huge pile of hamburger
Nov 4, 2009

Class Warcraft posted:

Has anyone successfully been able to sneak into a contract once it's reached max users if someone sells their shares or something? I've maxed out Hillary YES and VP Pence NO, but I didn't get into the other contracts early enough and I'm wondering if there is a way to get in by continuously refreshing or something.

Yup, just keep refreshing till you can get in.

DMCrimson
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Necc0 posted:

A lot of these markets aren't actually going to close and settle on Nov 9th. They're going to wait until the electoral college actually votes which won't be until two months after the election on Jan 6th.

So what will happen initially is all of the markets will spike up to .99 or down to .01 the night of the election as people either flee to grab what few pennies they still have, cash out to get their money two months ahead- selling their shares at .99 instead of waiting another two months for the full dollar, or jumping IN to the market to grab up all the free pennies off the people cashing out.

What will happen after is instead of a dance over what the 'correct' price of the event actually occurring is, it'll instead be a balance between people wanting to get their money out without having to wait and other people wanting more than a penny on the dollar to hold on to it for them. At this point the price will drop from 99/01 to maybe 95/05 and then slowly trickle back up as the actual closing date gets closer.

SO! If you're going to want your money asap after the election I recommend you put sell orders for all your shares at .98 or .99 right now to get as far ahead in line as possible. If you don't mind waiting an extra two months for that last penny or two then don't worry about it. Just keep in mind that if you change your mind after the election you're going to have a HUGE line to get behind or bite the bullet and sell off your shares at .94-.96

Also to add: the rules of per-state president markets are based on winning the popular vote. You are likely to wait a while for Hillary Yes to resolve from the electoral college vote but already have paid out on FL/VA/NV Dem Yes. Of course, it's also possible for a state to have a recount and wait a while.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Discospawn posted:

Yeah, after the election the only things left are going to be the short-term, flip-a-coin polling markets, or long-term 'will a supreme court justice be confirmed in next 6 months' markets.

And boy, in the last 24 hours my 'gain/loss' has improved dramatically. I guess people were really expecting things to keep getting exponentially worse for Clinton, and when they leveled out they regained their senses.

I'm a little sad that this is going to mostly be over after Tuesday. Is there going to be a decent market for midterms or is this going to be mostly goodbye until 2020?

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

OAquinas posted:

The lovely part is, even though one side has gotv efforts and the other does not, the polls are so universally poo poo that you can make that claim for just about any number or margin of Victory and have it be somewhat accurate or at least sound right.

I declare that Hillary will over perform her polls by at least six points, chose your average

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Dogwood Fleet posted:

I'm a little sad that this is going to mostly be over after Tuesday. Is there going to be a decent market for midterms or is this going to be mostly goodbye until 2020?

This site was plenty active before the primaries kicked up. If anything it's actually better when there's less activity because it give you more time to take advantage of mis-priced markets.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
So, is the market for a candidate winning at least 50% of the vote looking crazy low to anyone else? Last time that didn't happen was 2000 and the Ross Perot 1990s Boogaloo.

Discospawn
Mar 3, 2007

Gyges posted:

So, is the market for a candidate winning at least 50% of the vote looking crazy low to anyone else? Last time that didn't happen was 2000 and the Ross Perot 1990s Boogaloo.

No, I think it is highly unlikely that either candidate will get 50%. There's a good chance there will be a significant increase in 3rd party votes this year (including McMullin in Utah) compared with 2008 & 2012, and the last week has shown that Clinton's national lead may only be a couple percentage points.

In 2008, Obama only got 51.1% of the popular vote, and he was considered to have beaten his polling VERY significantly.

To put it into numbers, I don't think that market would be appealing for YES until it got into single digits.

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


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Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Elephanthead posted:

Loaded up on Arizona NoRep.

Goonspeed :patriot:

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Elephanthead posted:

Loaded up on Arizona NoRep.

Good luck with that?

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

If you're going to go for longshot states on the basis of record Hispanic voter turnout, might as well buy some dirt-cheap Texas shares for like 8 cents.

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal

bawfuls posted:

If you're going to go for longshot states on the basis of record Hispanic voter turnout, might as well buy some dirt-cheap Texas shares for like 8 cents.

Well that goes without saying but I am hoping I can dump them for good profit after early return wrecks Trumps poo poo.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Elephanthead posted:

Well that goes without saying but I am hoping I can dump them for good profit after early return wrecks Trumps poo poo.

The site working properly Tuesday evening is part of the gamble. I don't have the nerve for it.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

bawfuls posted:

If you're going to go for longshot states on the basis of record Hispanic voter turnout, might as well buy some dirt-cheap Texas shares for like 8 cents.

I would take Arizona way before I take Texas. Tons of polls show Arizona tied, not so much in Texas.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

With the latest FBI drop, everything is beginning to swing hard back toward Hillary. You can ride the wave right now or lock in your last chance at discount prices in many states.

thethreeman
May 10, 2008
Fallen Rib
in case anyone else thinks it's weird, NC Senate is 15-20c cheaper than NC Pres. The last two polls that had both races had the ~same margins

still a long shot, but I'm vaguely optimistic about Ross given the surprisingly high female turnout so far (>55/45) given the difference in preference by gender from recent polls

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Holy poo poo PI swings hard on email news

Professor Skittles
Jul 10, 2008
Nate silver kept me from going all in. Now I'm reading his model benefits trump way too much

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

First 4 or 5 minutes of this are great: https://soundcloud.com/electionprofitmakers/bonus-episode-the-epm-mixtape

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


Discospawn posted:

No, I think it is highly unlikely that either candidate will get 50%. There's a good chance there will be a significant increase in 3rd party votes this year (including McMullin in Utah) compared with 2008 & 2012, and the last week has shown that Clinton's national lead may only be a couple percentage points.

In 2008, Obama only got 51.1% of the popular vote, and he was considered to have beaten his polling VERY significantly.

To put it into numbers, I don't think that market would be appealing for YES until it got into single digits.

johnson and stein will not break 2.5%. they totaled like 1.25% last time. i agree they'll see an uptick, but no way is it significant, especially given the 'horserace' narrative and how awful johnson has done this cycle. mcmullin might get 35% in one state.

let's say third party amounts a generous 5% of the vote. that leaves 95% remaining, meaning the mov would have to be 5 or more, which is right where the polling is.

now let's bring that third party number back to reality and say 2.5%. that leaves 97.5%. mov could be as low as 2.5% and it'd still hit.

people in that market are forgetting there are no 'undecideds' in the actual results. they keep looking at the 4-way numbers and ignoring this. really it's another market on mov, and simple math. i'd max it at 55c personally

abelwingnut has issued a correction as of 22:45 on Nov 6, 2016

Zeta Taskforce
Jun 27, 2002

Abel Wingnut posted:

johnson and stein will not break 2.5%. they totaled like 1.25% last time. i agree they'll see an uptick, but no way is it significant, especially given the 'horserace' narrative and how awful johnson has done this cycle. mcmullin might get 35% in one state.

let's say third party amounts a generous 5% of the vote. that leaves 95% remaining, meaning the mov would have to be 5 or more, which is right where the polling is.

now let's bring that third party number back to reality and say 2.5%. that leaves 97.5%. mov could be as low as 2.5% and it'd still hit.

people in that market are forgetting there are no 'undecideds' in the actual results. they keep looking at the 4-way numbers and ignoring this. really it's another market on mov, and simple math. i'd max it at 55c personally

I don't have anything in that market, but what makes you so confident that they won't break 5% together? Johnson is likely to do that by himself. If Stein gets 3% and McMuffin and various weird write ins and weird options get an additional 2% then we are looking at Trump and Hillary splitting the remaining 90. Lots of folks live in uncompetitive states and don't like either one. 10% voting other is very reasonable

IM DAY DAY IRL
Jul 11, 2003

Everything's fine.

Nothing to see here.
holy poo poo. G/L is back in the green, that was a very lovely week

G-Hawk
Dec 15, 2003

Abel Wingnut posted:

johnson and stein will not break 2.5%. they totaled like 1.25% last time. i agree they'll see an uptick, but no way is it significant, especially given the 'horserace' narrative and how awful johnson has done this cycle. mcmullin might get 35% in one state.

let's say third party amounts a generous 5% of the vote. that leaves 95% remaining, meaning the mov would have to be 5 or more, which is right where the polling is.

now let's bring that third party number back to reality and say 2.5%. that leaves 97.5%. mov could be as low as 2.5% and it'd still hit.

people in that market are forgetting there are no 'undecideds' in the actual results. they keep looking at the 4-way numbers and ignoring this. really it's another market on mov, and simple math. i'd max it at 55c personally

i agree with this post and maxed it at 50c and do not regret it

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Zeta Taskforce posted:

I don't have anything in that market, but what makes you so confident that they won't break 5% together? Johnson is likely to do that by himself. If Stein gets 3% and McMuffin and various weird write ins and weird options get an additional 2% then we are looking at Trump and Hillary splitting the remaining 90. Lots of folks live in uncompetitive states and don't like either one. 10% voting other is very reasonable

2012 was 1.7% third party
2008 was 1.4% third party
2004 was 1.0% third party
2000 was 3.7% third party

You have to go back to 1996 to get over 5%, that year was 10.1% third party, mostly Perot.

And remember, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein were also the 2012 major third party nominees. Nobody wanted them then, why would they want them now? And McMuffin's only going to be big in Utah and maybe Idaho, if at all.

People who just don't like the major candidates tend to not vote at all rather than vote for hopeless losers.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

fishmech posted:

2012 was 1.7% third party
2008 was 1.4% third party
2004 was 1.0% third party
2000 was 3.7% third party

You have to go back to 1996 to get over 5%, that year was 10.1% third party, mostly Perot.

And remember, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein were also the 2012 major third party nominees. Nobody wanted them then, why would they want them now? And McMuffin's only going to be big in Utah and maybe Idaho, if at all.

People who just don't like the major candidates tend to not vote at all rather than vote for hopeless losers.

Extrapolating from the polling, Johnson will get quite a bit more of the vote this year than in 2012. The reason he has more supporters now is essentially because there are a set of college-educated Republicans who do not want to vote for Trump but were happy to vote for Romney. But he won't reach the 5% the Libertarians need to secure federal funding, thankfully.

Total third-party vote inclusive of all candidates will probably be 5% or so.

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

Vox Nihili posted:

Extrapolating from the polling, Johnson will get quite a bit more of the vote this year than in 2012. The reason he has more supporters now is essentially because there are a set of college-educated Republicans who do not want to vote for Trump but were happy to vote for Romney. But he won't reach the 5% the Libertarians need to secure federal funding, thankfully.

Total third-party vote inclusive of all candidates will probably be 5% or so.

Aren't the early voting numbers showing 0.fart% for Johnson?

Discospawn
Mar 3, 2007

2012 was only the 3rd time a Democratic presidential candidate has broken 50% of the popular vote more than once. I just think that if a relatively popular incumbent can barely do it, this election is unlikely to have as good of a result for Clinton.

Dmitri-9 posted:

Aren't the early voting numbers showing 0.fart% for Johnson?

Early Voting numbers just show who has voted based on party affiliation , which in most states only lets you pick Republican, Democrat, Other, and Unaffiliated. You will not know how many of these are votes for actual candidates (including 3rd parties) until the results are released on election night.

Discospawn has issued a correction as of 01:12 on Nov 7, 2016

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Dmitri-9 posted:

Aren't the early voting numbers showing 0.fart% for Johnson?

All we can see from early voting is that Republicans and non-affiliated voters are voting in certain numbers. We can't tell whether they're voting for Johnson or Trump or whoever else.

Very few of Johnson's potential supporters are registered Libertarians.

BCRock
Dec 13, 2005
I'm huge in Japan
PI is now showing 0 toss up states:

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

By the way, those interested in the third-party vote totals can participate in this little market:

https://predictit.com/Market/2716/What-percentage-of-the-popular-vote-will-Gary-Johnson-win

It appears that the expectation at this point is for Johnson to get no more than 5% of the vote. Money is about equally spread between 4-5%, 3-4%, and under 3%.

Womyn Capote
Jul 5, 2004


i want to thank this thread for helping me make some easy money!

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.
Uhhh, fair warning: somebody has been posting child porn in the comments of Predictit with multiple accounts, so if you enjoy harassing Trump supporters, or if you are just checking markets, you might want to be careful.

Does Disqus have any moderation at all?

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I'm so glad this site is a thing. I used to simply yell at selfish selfish stupid people, but now I can yell at selfish stupid people while taking their money. My internet experience has improved threefold.

Zeta Taskforce
Jun 27, 2002

Fidel Castronaut posted:

Uhhh, fair warning: somebody has been posting child porn in the comments of Predictit with multiple accounts, so if you enjoy harassing Trump supporters, or if you are just checking markets, you might want to be careful.

Does Disqus have any moderation at all?

What they have is extremely rudimentary. When the Billy Bush video came out I tried to write "Grab her by the pussy" in a comment and it got rejected.

But child porn? How dumb do you have to be? In order to be on there don't they have to know your real name, your real bank/credit card number, your social security number?

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I think Disqus accounts aren’t necessarily tied to your PI account.

It’s still insane to commit felonies for no reason.

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