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Jymmybob posted:lathespin.gif If you can afford a Turbo just get that. They last a long time. http://rennlist.com/forums/996-turbo-forum/882512-557-764-miles.html You dodged a bullet.
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Pr0kjayhawk posted:If you can afford a Turbo just get that. They last a long time. http://rennlist.com/forums/996-turbo-forum/882512-557-764-miles.html There's another guy on rennlist that went 360k on his 996 turbo with first clutch and is now over 470k. I'm checking out a turbo tomorrow but it doesn't have a service history but might be cheap enough to absorb deferred maintenance if there's a bit. Nothing pressing though and I can wait years without feeling bad so v0v Jymmybob fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Nov 7, 2016 |
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So a turbo is 40k? Well sorted. A well sorted non turbo should be 20k. Hmm. Maybe I throw the turbo out there and get the wife to cave on the non turbo.
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I think you could have done better for $19K, and if you can get a nice Turbo for a price that you can live with all the better. I've been keeping my eyes open for Turbos here too, but all the ones for sale are heavily modified and/or asking crazy money.
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Interesting... build, but so many problems. whoops, forgot to link. That made this post so much more pointless. http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5864760766.html kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Nov 7, 2016 |
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Elephanthead posted:So a turbo is 40k? Well sorted. A well sorted non turbo should be 20k. Hmm. Maybe I throw the turbo out there and get the wife to cave on the non turbo. A good turbo is 45-50k but there are some in the 35-40k range with 100k+ miles still in good condition. I'm checking one out with an unknown service history and 95k miles but it's in excellent cosmetic condition so we'll see if it it's like that other 996 where everything underhood is questionable. If I can get it for 30k then I'll probably just take it directly to a specialist and have them pull the engine and do every major item like pinning coolant pipes and a GT2 slave conversion all at once so I end up with a mechanically perfect car for under 40k. I doubt it'll happen though but worth a shot. edit: wow http://www.clevelandmotorsports.com/details/?vin=WP0AA2991XS622104 Single owner 99 with 14k miles at the dealer we ordered the Macan from. Hmmmmm Jymmybob fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Nov 7, 2016 |
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14K miles and original owner? Early production date too. Noice. If you can get a good deal on it, go for it. It's low enough mileage though that some of the more common repairs may not have been done yet, like the coolant tank let alone the AOS. Hopefully it's well documented for its short life. Also, I had a brain fart with my idler bearings. On a hunch when I got to the office this AM I checked dimensions for a double row bearing and sure enough, exactly the same as the old one. So, my never used 6202 SKF bearings are now turfed and replaced with a couple of 3202 bearings. I'm going to probably order a couple of new idlers either way though. Just have the AC compressor to put back in, PS reservoir and then we're good to go. Probably an hour-ish of work left. From this  back to to this  Probably about 7-9 hours of "real" work in that time, probably double that for the entire job. I could probably do it in half the time now. I wanted to detail the motor a bit better, but I just want to get it back together to make sure I didn't gently caress anything up, then I'll take some parts out again to clean up further once I know it runs well.
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The mileage is too low for me because the condition isn't worth the price premium and in the 'it hasn't had a chance to break' way. It deserves to go to some some porsche kalvick. Also that price is non-negotiable and they actually hold to it since it's determined by the central office and not the dealer, I've tried pretty hard on a 997 that dealer network had a few months ago and they wouldn't drop a cent. That one ended up being worth the actual price anyhow (on the surface) and when I called to put in the deposit and send it for PPI they said that oh yeah FYI 1 maybe a 2 wheels are bent so I bailed on it. I checked out the local turbo today and holy poo poo what a wreck. The dealer ?owner? had been using it as personal car for a few months and put 1500 miles on it so it was covered with grime, the kickpanel fusebox cover was missing, some grommets and misc interior cover pieces were gone, and some of the underside bolts for the bumpers were replaced with coathanger wire. The questionable owner was a ~25yo greaseball dude with a ponytail, tanktop, and tattoos who said that he loved the car because it had an awesome headunit. Also there was bubbled paint from rust on quite a few prominent edges and one muffler was caved in from backing onto something fairly big. It was awful and that thing will never sell, but it did sound great when I got there and it was idling in the lot while the guy was getting ready to go pick up some food. edit: I could always get this http://www.ebay.com/itm/152308581269 Be sure to check out the interior Jymmybob fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Nov 8, 2016 |
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Holy gently caress  I think it actually was special ordered in that color combo according to the Porsche certificate  Too bad about that dealer with the 99. If you could have got that in the high-teens it would probably be worth it.
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slidebite posted:Holy gently caress That is amazing. In my mind as I scrolled through the pictures I imagined the interior as whatever color that is and it didn't disappoint.
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Well, at around 21:30 the never ending Project, let's do an AOS, timing chain tensioner and alternator/starter cable on the 996 came to an end. Finished installing everything and double checked everything (god, that AC Compressor was almost as much of a pain as the AOS itself), dumped in some coolant and PS fluid, held my breath and turned the key.  Roared to life instantly and no warning lights. After a few minutes settled to a smooth idle. Let it warm up, took it for a rip. No stumbles, hesitations, shuddering, nothing. Only thing at all were some smells that I am sure just the coolant and PS fluid roasting on the block. Going to make sure there are no leaks as it sits overnight, but other than that go through torque a couple things down and loving DONE   First time it's been on the road for about 2 months and it 
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Yeah that's awesome! Please keep the updates coming.
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Awesome man. Also good lord that orange car looks like someone just discovered plasti-dip.
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https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5851320193.html This one looks right but I need a tiptronic the wife says if I buy another stick shift she is buying a new Escalade and holy poo poo that is brand new 911 money.
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Elephanthead posted:https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5851320193.html Don't post things local to me 
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That is a nice car. If you really want a tip they are out there and are actually a decently solid transmission. e: DrakeriderCa posted:
I think you should buy a different one and we can be porch buds. Red_Fred posted:Yeah that's awesome! Please keep the updates coming. 
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slidebite posted:I hope that this project is done. Any further updates would probably mean I hosed up I'm simultaneously jealous but thankful it's not me when I see how much work you're putting into it. I even have the Bentley manual for 996s now sitting on my desk, taunting me.
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You know, looking back at it I am pretty confident I could do it in half the time now, maybe even less that I know what I am doing. If I wasn't doing either the cam chain tensioner or battery cable, it would have been much faster right there as I could have left the entire right side of the motor alone. I also wouldn't waste as much time trying to save doing work. IE: I was loving around trying to get that alternator out without cracking the cooling system for a couple hours. I ended up saying screw it, and took the plate off which yeah, I lost some coolant but I also had the alternator out in 10 seconds after that. Would I want to do it again on my car? gently caress no. If I had a friend that asked for my help to to it? Yeah, that wouldn't be so painful and would do what I could.
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Elephanthead posted:https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5851320193.html Yeah, I should probably just say gently caress everything and buy this to use as my DD after today. Why not? Throw a roof rack on it and I'm good to go! I'm in the mood to make some really bad decisions!
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slidebite posted:I'd offer $18k cash and see what he does. It's not insulting low. Sorry, have my eyes on this one now  What's the overall reliability on the N/A 996's outside of the IMS? Maintenance and the like as well? One of the reasons I stopped looking at 996TT's as my fun car is because when poo poo did break it was loving expensive to fix. I know that's the case with any Porsche but I really don't want that with my DD.
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fknlo posted:Sorry, have my eyes on this one now It's higher than most cars but generally it's RMS/IMS, water pump, an occasional cracked head, or rare catastrophic engine failure (d-chunk) with lots of minor things that would cost $100 on other cars costing $500. There's a lot of luck to getting a good one and from watching rennlist for a few months you can see how most dudes get away with only routine basic maintenance while a couple will blow engines out of nowhere. Overall I don't think the regular cost of ownership on a 996 is that much better than a 996TT because the TT engine is a reliable beast and upgrades don't cost more than the car's chassis is worth. For me an early good condition 996 is worth it so that if the engine blows I can sell the rolling chassis and just eat the $5-10k but a 996TT also makes sense long term because as minor things break it's worth putting more money in to upgrade because they hold value pretty well and the platform/engine are both reliable and good*. *By reliable and good I mean compared to the high-end sports car world where $2k in maintenance a year for 5k miles driven is a good year.
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From my personal experience and research that I have done, I pretty much concur with ^^. They are German cars, and as such are generally well built. The interiors, bodies and electronics are quite robust. The drivetrains are not SBC/TH400 reliable, but they aren't necessarily ticking time bombs. Like ^^ mentioned, there is the odd catastrophe that happens but many guys track them for years with nothing more than general maintenance so they're not a disaster waiting to happen. There seems to be a consensus built largely from anecdote by many of the long term owners and specialists on Rennlist (like Raby), that reliability at least, the early MY99 996 being the best short of a Mezger engined (Turbo, GT) car. The hypothesis for this is that because a fire or something at the motor plant in mid 99 which made Porsche lower the QC on their motors to keep up with production. The redesign of the IMS (which we still have no real clear answer as to why they did this) didn't help matters either. 996s in general have quirks, like to make the odd  noise when cold, typical german plastic issues for coolant use, but they are reasonable and serviceable power plants. The trans-axles are workhorses with the odd one needing work but in general they are very robust. I wouldn't be concerned to jump in mine and do a 1000mile road trip today with no prep.That said, I am not so sure I would own one as my only DD though. Parts, if and when they do fail can be expensive, with even the true general maintenance stuff being higher than most although not up to the level of hyper exotics. The parts for the AOS and other items I did while in there was not overly horrific (I think $500-700ish all in?) but as you could see was more than a little labor intensive... but to be fair that is not the kind of thing you need to do regularly. In fact, it will likely never need to be done again. Brakes are Brembos and priced as such for wear parts, although there are several aftermarket options. Waterpumps seem to also be a little overblown for hysteria but not the end of the world. Expect to pay $300-ish for a new one, $50 for a thermostat and $100 for unicorn blood coolant. Non "maintenance" power train failures, like say you have an intermix issue or need a new head/motor rebuilt, you are in a world of pain. Deep in the 4 figures, with 5 figures a real possibility. You will be probably be sending it to a Porsche specialty shop, not the neighborhood "2 guys and a wrench" machine/speed shop. If that happens, there is a real chance it might make economic sense to just part out or sell the car as a roller. I also agree that typical cost of ownership between a TT and a NA car probably aren't really that different. As long as you keep in mind the TT will be 2-3x the cost to buy in the first place, more difficult to work on, less DIY choices for parts and likely much higher insurance costs. The offset is that you then have a Mezger 996 which is even less likely to fail on you but even then isn't impossible, and if it does sell your children into slavery. That said, a 996TT is to this day a deadly fast and capable car, but even the NA Carerras like mine are sub/low 5 second 0-60 and 180MPH top end cars so it's not like they are slow by any stretch of the imagination.
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Thanks! Still gonna consider it, but it would be my sole DD since my s2k doesn't leave the garage during inclement weather and is already put up for the year. I could always buy a cheap hatch of some sort to counter that though 
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fknlo posted:Thanks! Consider the previous gen Audi TT RS. It's considered the backwards 911 and is tiny, blisteringly fast, AWD, reliable compared to a 911, moderately priced, and a hatchback  . I almost went that route but I just had an S4 and want something less practical as a summer car.Also it has one of the best exhaust sounds of any non-supercar, that turbo 5 is nuts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=712UsVIuLvY Jymmybob fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Jymmybob posted:Consider the previous gen Audi TT RS. It's considered the backwards 911 and is tiny, blisteringly fast, AWD, reliable compared to a 911, moderately priced, and a hatchback Way out of the price range I'm looking at. I'm hoping to either drop one car payment or get as close as possible with my restitution money from VW.
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Then czech this out, one of the sketchier threads I've seen on Rennlist but potentially a great steal http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/957967-2002-porsche-911-996-c4s-looking-for-a-quick-sale.html Also this one which is being touted as a deal on Rennlist https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ctd/5840318465.html Jymmybob fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Spicy: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-porsche-911-3/
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That one's been for sale for a little while, I think on Rennlist or 6speedonline. I remember seeing that dopey shift knob recently. I don't really understand why it's on BaT since it's about average and there's some really awesome cars out there but good for him since he's going to get like 10% over normal going by what other 996s recently got there. If I was going for a 996TT I'd get this and never look back: http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automobiles-sale/399131-porsche-911-turbo-2001-canadian-car.html. It's a stunning deal and importing is like 2k tops and it has the pinned coolant lines, full maintenance history with good ownership, and a really solid mod list. Depending on a couple drives I'm doing tomorrow I might even move on it since a non-silver or black 996TT is impossible to find for a reasonable price.
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That link didn't seem to work but found it. http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automobiles-sale/399131-porsche-911-turbo-2001-canadian-car.html And yes, I would probably be contacting that right now if I didn't have my 996. Anyone want to buy mine? I'm actually kind of serious.
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slidebite posted:That link didn't seem to work but found it. I was serious about that 996TT but I ran a carfax and has 2 accidents but I'm going to ask the owner if he has concrete repair info for them out of curiousity. One was very early and over 1000CAD but the 2nd was a few years ago and under 2000CAD but not being up front with it makes me wary. There's a good chance he has no idea because people get blinded by perfect condition and perfect service history though, I've nearly fallen into the same trap. I'm tempted by literally anything, what were you thinking about asking? I'm hooked on the dumb aerokits but a solid car is a solid car. I'm doing a little background on http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=439272603 because it has the mods I'd probably do and was maintained by a known good Porsche shop. The Autotrader ad is sketchy but he has it up on the PCA and 6speedonline classifieds and is just a middle aged dude with 3 other Porsche's looking to upgrade and has more details there. He tracks the other cars and seems like he used this as his nice day street car, hence the simple good mods and it's a nice factory aero with LSD so he knows what's up. If I can get it for 21k and have a clean PPI then I'll likely settle for it so I can have all winter to put it on a lift at work and mess with it in my spare time.
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Yeah, 2 accident claims on it and if he's a little cagey about it that's not really a great sign. Mine actually showed a $5K claim in 2001. It didn't really concern me much because $5K* on one of those is literally nothing, and the P.O. was a very honest guy and I totally believe he knew nothing about it. I could tell the car was solid as hell and the body was great so I didn't let it bother me. If I were to sell mine seriously? I'd probably be pretty solid around $20K US. I don't think I'd take much less, considering I know it's rock solid 996 and to be honest I never even really thought about selling it right now until I saw that blue TT  *e: I just looked at my old carfax it wasn't even a collision, it was "Miscellaneous" which is anything but a collision or fire/theft. Could have been broken into or had wheels stolen or something for all I know. slidebite fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Holy poo poo that Turbo. That's an awesome colour. Slidebite, buy it and lease to own me your coupe
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I contacted that guy with the blue tt. He told me he got into a single vehicle accident and needed to replace the bumper which he did and sent photos. The accident looks worse than I think he is letting on and the fit of the bumper does not look right. Pitty because the car is nice that it's a 6spd with just the right amount of options. E:actually I reread his email which was in pretty broken English and I misunderstood him. It was a different more serious collision a few years ago which was unfortunate. The recent bumper replacement looks good. Ee:jmmnybob, if you are pursuing it I will leave it be. I don't want to inquire on it if you are seriously looking at it. I am not sure how serious I am. slidebite fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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slidebite posted:I contacted that guy with the blue tt. He told me he got into a single vehicle accident and needed to replace the bumper which he did and sent photos. The accident looks worse than I think he is letting on and the fit of the bumper does not look right. Pitty because the car is nice that it's a 6spd with just the right amount of options. Go nuts, I don't get a great enough feel from it to make it worth the extra effort to import at the moment. Here's the carfax info 
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Thanks for the fax. Not that in itself it's a huge deal, but it's had a boatload of owners hasn't it? II think I'll be passing too. Too bad, I love the color. Owner was pretty good at communicating with me and even had a photo of the big accident it had. Mostly the nose, but they basically replaced everything in the front including the headlights, but didn't need a hood as evidenced by the option sticker photo.
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