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Man, comparing your race relations with the ones here (Brazil), stuff is reaaaaaaaaaaally different. Also, I hope you are extremely successful in any advances you put forward. What happens there echoes pretty strongly here, and I sincerely believed that a fair share of conservative young middle class people got thinking and started to rethink their worldviews after Obama got elected. Keep on rocking.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is way outside the scope of the thread and honestly I don't want to get into it too much, but broadly women don't think about men's bodies the way men think about women's bodies. You can see that in the diversity of straight womens' "types" vs. men's, which tend to converge on a socialized ideal woman, and in the rare media that is made from a straight women's perspective to arouse straight women - the men at the object of that aren't the loose collection of body parts straight men's erotic depictions of women are. To generalize, just because men might think of a woman as an rear end or a pair of tits doesn't mean women think of men as a dick. My general assumption was that most people were terrible that way. If it's mostly just men, that's...better? Not really I guess. I mean hell it doesn't even matter, as I'm happily married and all, but sometimes the mind wanders in strange ways. I was worried about that. But in particular I meant the stereotype and dealing with that in itself socially, not any particular person's actual genitalia. Which, yeah... Basically I'm just  as gently caress.
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Koalas March posted:Man, Negrotown was a lot more fun before the you-know-whos started moving in, I tell you what. Sorry, I'm gone.
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Talmonis posted:Sorry, I'm gone. That wasn't even directed at you tbh.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is way outside the scope of the thread and honestly I don't want to get into it too much, but broadly women don't think about men's bodies the way men think about women's bodies. You can see that in the diversity of straight womens' "types" vs. men's, which tend to converge on a socialized ideal woman, and in the rare media that is made from a straight women's perspective to arouse straight women - the men at the object of that aren't the loose collection of body parts straight men's erotic depictions of women are. To generalize, just because men might think of a woman as an rear end or a pair of tits doesn't mean women think of men as a dick. *and be taller than 6ft qq 5'8" club  I'm kidding
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Talmonis posted:Sorry, I'm gone. Ha, fragility.
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Talmonis posted:Sorry, I'm gone. If you interpret every time KM makes a funny joke as "get out" you're gonna miss all of KM's funny jokes 
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My wife and I share a YouTube account (she's a noncitizen Chinese) so I get these ads nonstop. I think the funniest thing is that Americans always try to ask if I married her for (insert demure stereotype thing here) not realizing the cultural standard in many parts of china and korea is that women have full control of their husbands finances and some companies actually set up private bank accounts to funnel like 5% of a married mans money into a private account so he can have spending money.
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Talmonis posted:My general assumption was that most people were terrible that way. If it's mostly just men, that's...better? Not really I guess. I mean hell it doesn't even matter, as I'm happily married and all, but sometimes the mind wanders in strange ways. This is genuine advice: you simultaneously think way too much and also not enough. You clearly get into neurotic internal questioning cycles but don't spend a lot of time thinking about how the things that makes you say will sound to other people. My advice is to chill out a bit and stop thinking so hard about how other people are thinking of you. And, again, I'm literally saying this as a 6'4" transgender woman, so you can rest assured that a lot of people are staring at and thinking things about me everywhere I go. It's important not to get too deep into your own head.
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Nevvy Z posted:Negromancer has a great post about sweatpants in UPOL october if you need any more info tho, tal. Speaking of old USPol posts, there was one back in September (I think?) going into some of the details about hair and the culture/stigmas/etc behind it. That was actually really enlightening and I'd love to learn more about that. There any good sources?
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:If you interpret every time KM makes a funny joke as "get out" you're gonna miss all of KM's funny jokes New av got em shook
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I am legitimately confused how white people are pronouncing Beyoncé wrong at this point. Like poo poo even my phone knows how to accent her name right.
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Trabisnikof posted:I am legitimately confused how white people are pronouncing Beyoncé wrong at this point. Like poo poo even my phone knows how to accent her name right. How else could you even say it? Bee-oonce??
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Koalas March posted:New av got em shook What if my white feeling is apathy?
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woke wedding drone posted:Ha, fragility. Nah, I thought I was pissing folks off. Honestly don't want to do that, because the thread is pretty cool so far.
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Tempest_56 posted:Speaking of old USPol posts, there was one back in September (I think?) going into some of the details about hair and the culture/stigmas/etc behind it. That was actually really enlightening and I'd love to learn more about that. There any good sources? Chris Rock's doc is a really good starting point, and a lot of the writeups in black media about it have authors and commenters sharing personal experiences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m-4qxz08So
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Baronjutter posted:How else could you even say it? Bee-oonce?? Bay Once
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Baronjutter posted:How else could you even say it? Bee-oonce?? This reminds me of how my mom insists on pronouncing memes the french way "memms." God mom that's not how it's pronounced, jeez.
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Barudak posted:Bay Once As in rhymes with seance? lol
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Koalas March posted:Man, Negrotown was a lot more fun before the you-know-whos started moving in, I tell you what. listen the beastie boys fought and possibly died for my right to party wherever i want, so shove it
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:What if my white feeling is apathy? Doctor Butts posted:Koala's avatar don't care about white people. 
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Baronjutter posted:As in rhymes with seance? lol That or as I've heard literally like the sentence "please pay once to exit" except with a B instead of a P in pay once.
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Barudak posted:Bay Once How have they never heard it pronounced before?? 
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djw175 posted:How have they never heard it pronounced before?? It's like the Blues Brothers scene in the bar. "Which kind of music do you like?" "OH! Both kinds, Country and Western!"
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Barudak posted:Bay Once lol. White people claiming not to "get" "black names" is one of my favorite things. Especially when they're just deliberately obtuse. I know a guy who will literally insist on pronouncing names like "D'Anthony" as "Dan-thony" and it's like, what the gently caress point are you even trying to make? Sorry that black people aren't mired in conventional thinking when it comes to names, skyler aidyn jones.
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djw175 posted:How have they never heard it pronounced before?? In the black community we call this the "white substitute teacher" experience. "Teeny Broonosie?" "Present, but uh, it's pronounced Tiny Brontosaurus." "Tony Brandlezorro?" "Tiny Brontosaurus." "Tommy Prontohoroscope?" "...yeah, you got it. Thanks."
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I dated a Tiffanie and teased her by calling her Tiff-uh-nye-ee It's me, I am the bad interracial dater
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Talmonis posted:My general assumption was that most people were terrible that way. If it's mostly just men, that's...better? Not really I guess. I mean hell it doesn't even matter, as I'm happily married and all, but sometimes the mind wanders in strange ways. I am going to humor you because I think you are legitimately curious. But its such a bad loving stereotype. It leads to people expecting things of you when you may not have it and if I am not mistaken, most black men are of average size anyhow. IT also ties into the stereotype of how black people are hypersexual.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:"Teeny Broonosie?" Totally divorced from the context of the post, these are hilarious. Also I am totally that guy except I do it exclusively to special snowflake white name spellings instead, and I'm not sure if I should feel bad about it or not.
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Name conversation and all I can think about is how I have no idea how Trump's current wife's name is supposed to be pronounced. I've only ever seen it spelled, never pronounced. There is no pronunciation that makes sense to me.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:lol. White people claiming not to "get" "black names" is one of my favorite things. Especially when they're just deliberately obtuse. I know a guy who will literally insist on pronouncing names like "D'Anthony" as "Dan-thony" and it's like, what the gently caress point are you even trying to make? Sorry that black people aren't mired in conventional thinking when it comes to names, skyler aidyn jones. A friend of mine married an African American immigrant whose name is literally three letters long. They can do French Cajun as gently caress names all day long but it was like the day of the wedding they finally nailed it down.
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The Shortest Path posted:Mel-ahn-ya That just makes no sense.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Naw maaaannn, this is some "I just meant black culture" poo poo. Please don't. Women are people and you are not a woman so don't tell women how they are. "Black women care more about a man's height than his wallet" what? Women are people, they care about what they as individual human beings want in another person. I'm not telling women how they are, I'm telling my experiences and the experiences of other black men. No one suggested black women aren't people, no one even tried to make that case. What I'm sharing is the experience that black men have in corporate America, and how the differences is in how we are treated within that space. Trying to police and shut down the sharing of experiences and emotions of black men is sorta an issue we have RIGHT NOW, with black mothers raising black boys that men don't cry, complain, etc. Having the expectation that black men should listen to the experiences of black women as it relates to misogynoir and our internalized sexism and racism seems kinda hypocritical if you aren't willing to listen to how black women also internalize a lot of negative things as it relates to black men and reflects in how we, ourselves are treated by black women. Also the points you're taking umbrage with have been spoken about by quite a few black women matchmakers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y3AFNNGQjM The TL;DR of everything that I was saying, is that you can ask plenty of black men that have risen through the ranks. I've been treated the same in the dating arena from being straight up unemployed and drat near homeless to today, and by that I mean, I've always been able to date up and down the socioeconomic ladder of black women without any gatekeeping due to my income, which there are a variety of reasons for completely not related to black women (like black people making 100k are more likely to live in a neighborhood where the average income is 35k than any other race), but with money and status comes access, and that money and status definitely affects how people date. For example: When broke: Out of the 10 black women I approach, 3 of them agree to a date. Out of the 10 white women I approach (which may be over a much longer timespan due to people tending to live around their own race), 1 agrees. When middle-manager being the only black man in a virtually white space: Out of the 10 black women I approach (which now has the longer timespan due to shift in environment), 4 of them agree to a date. Out of the 10 white women I approach (which I have now greater access to due to environment), 4 of them agree to a date. You're definitely going to notice the difference in the sudden availability of white women, and some black men get fixated on why the availability of black women hasn't risen in proportion. Well, in my experience with black men, they react in a variety of ways: 1) They get amnesia about AWL the black women that was fuckin with them when they had a mattress on the floor eating ramen and saw the potential in them, and go the route of "well only white women like me now, black women are too superficial", not taking into account the differences in environment as well, that they are just around a LOT less black people in general for 8-12 hours a day. 2) They been checked how their daily environment changed as their income did, and realized that staying connected to your people takes WORK. As in, going to black singles events, joining meetup groups for black professionals, etc, and putting in the time to build new friendships and relationships, and not attending every all white people all the time work event that comes up just so "they don't forget about you". So it's a conflation of factors that lead a lot of men that get on and end up acting like fuckboys towards black women in corporate America, and its mostly a case of lack of self-awareness/entitlement about their changing situation and how they themselves have changed as well in order to get success in institutionally racist structures. That being said, there is entitlement that many black men encounter among black women in corporate America, risen out of that same place of "success in professional life = I should be able to date the person of my dreams" and I have had to explain to both black men and women that this ain't how poo poo works. Degrees and promotions don't come with relationships attached, and are completely unrelated. It's just a WHOLE lot of unexamined entitlement, biases, along with letting institutionally racist environments change us for the worse among both genders that lead to either the "I'M OWED THIS PERSON" or "gently caress MY OWN PEOPLE", and instead of looking at the root causes, it leads to "black women are superficial" or "black men will get on and leave ya rear end for a white girl". And neither of those are correct.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:lol. White people claiming not to "get" "black names" is one of my favorite things. Especially when they're just deliberately obtuse. I know a guy who will literally insist on pronouncing names like "D'Anthony" as "Dan-thony" and it's like, what the gently caress point are you even trying to make? Sorry that black people aren't mired in conventional thinking when it comes to names, skyler aidyn jones. But if you show them some Polish name with 6 z's and no vowels, somehow they pronounce it perfectly.
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