- Foo Diddley
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Someone doesn't like the old school feel to this game
It's amazing how little about computers has changed in the 26 years since Wing Commander if you just ignore/work around everything that's changed
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The big thing I notice when it comes to deflection of criticism of the current state of Star Citizen is that every time someone brings up its faults and flaws someone simply brushes it off as "early days" problems and that progress is sure to be happening now it seems like they've ironed their kinks out. Yet if you look at what they've done and what they've shown I just can't see it. I mean poo poo, look at this laundry list of problems:
- After declaring they would be releasing Persistant Universe patches monthly, they've failed to actually meet that deadline even once.
- The tutorial for Star Citizen was so broken it took multiple updates to remove (not fix, remove) and still has nothing replacing it.
- After introducing a system for clothing it revealed their atmos system was a sham, and on top of that still haven't been able to prevent players from flying around space shooting air from their nipples.
- They still can't make ships spawn correctly.
- The game has sold ship concepts that are advertised as being crewed by a number of players larger than what the game can handle at present.
- Sometimes basic functions of the ship make it explode.
- Every new gameplay system that they've introduced that is supposed to show that the game is progressing towards its goals has been a threadbare bolt-on that does little to add depth to the experience.
- The two fundamental core gameplay elements of ship combat and person to person combat are dull, primitive and buggy. In an engine designed for FPS play they managed to make crosshairs not work. Ships control poorly and many systems related to ship weapons still don't work properly.
- The game has ships that allow multiple people to crew it but no systems that really justify doing so.
- In spite of attempts to speed up the atrocious animations, they still take too long and frequently don't work correctly in tandem with anything else.
- The patcher is still a murderous resource hog that downloads the entire game with every small change.
You can go on with that too (and quite frankly I will):
- The chat UI is still the same as it ever was in spite of Chris Roberts openly slagging it off live on air that one time.
- They couldn't even program a timer for their own testing feedback systems.
- They openly admitted once their crash reporter isn't reporting much more than "game crashed".
- A not-insignificant amount of people in leading positions have moved on to other companies at a staggered and staggering rate.
- Chris Roberts openly admitted in a recent interview with Kotaku UK that he makes unrealistic demands of his staff (often rudely) and puts the onus on them to spend months making an example to show him in how it doesn't work, with the justification that people told him he couldn't put certain systems in but they still managed it (as compared to how many that didn't, we'll never know and he'll likely never tell).
- They once claimed a staff member falling off his bike crippled all production as a reason for a delay.
- They haven't hit an actual release date promise in years.
- This forum found multiple examples of concept art featuring parts of other games' concept art in it.
- The "one seat" debacle highlighted a complete lack of communication between any different department and complaints made by paying customers were brushed off as coming from "toxic dinks."
- They started refusing refunds on the grounds that the Persistent Universe showed they'd done enough and that this was the game in its base form in spite of the fact at least one developer referred to it as a pre-pre-Alpha.
- They changed the TOS to flat out refuse customers their right to refunds and claimed that chargebacks were "illegal" in spite of the fact that it's a system created by banks.
- Their new TOS is a complete loving failure.
- They're keeping a list of people who asked for a refund for some weird reason. We know this because they incompetently let one refund-seeker stay in the CC of their internal communications.
- To them tweeting a ship name is corporate espionage.
- That entire email exchange with Beer where no one could even agree on what they were punishing him for.
- Every video PGabz makes is a giant neon sign showing how broken things are.
- SomethingJones has an archive of transcriptions of CIG interviews and shows that reveal even Chris doesn't know what he's doing half the time.
- They're still doing mocap.
- Chris Roberts takes multiple documented vacations a year while his staff apparently stay in working around the clock.
- They had so little to show at CitizenCon this year they had a 'documentary' to show that week which highlighted the fact they don't know what they're doing because they couldn't even properly make a demo. It shows Chris Roberts being a complete loving twat to people.
- Chris Roberts begs for gifts from backers in spite of tweeting himself on vacations.
- It once took Chris Roberts 8 hours to have a meltdown about Derek Smart over something Derek Smart wasn't even involved in.
- When they added "persistence" to the game it didn't actually add anything meaningfully persistent.
- Star Marine is in the game, except it isn't because it's coming out uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
But no guys, they're trying. They're really trying and this sort of thing you'd see in any other company that was run by a tyrant if any of these other places were half as open as CIG. CIG is so open in fact that's why we have no idea on what real and tangible progress is occurring, what CIG's plan is, or if Star Marine is in the game or not. If you can read that from shoulder to toes (cause there's clearly nothing going on in the head of CIG and no one else is going to stick their neck out) and still sit there going "Yeah I'm fine" then holy poo poo get someone else to manage your money, and also have them put little safety covers on all the electrical sockets in your house.
This is the thing true-believers, even if you don't think it's a scam you're looking at a farce in progress. This isn't normal. This isn't even anything from the leaks posted here, this is all stuff that's out there mostly via CIG themselves. This is the kind of thing that comes out after a company goes down the tubes because of incompetence at the top and no real plan or idea of what they're doing. Five years into this thing and they're still throwing poo poo at the wall and hoping it sticks. Five years on and still no minimum viable product. Five years on and the best systems they could add were putting pants on and getting sent to your room. Squadron 42 has gone from a big campaign in 2016 to three separate campaigns to a prologue and a whole lot of hoping 2017 might be manageable. The one big thing they wanted to show everyone this year was just a mock-up they made because they had nothing to show for their work, and they still struggled to get any of that to run (and it hosed up during the presentation).
I finally read this. Good post, friend.
I can appreciate the dream of Star Citizen, but I wish they kept to the original Kickstarter. It'd be out by now, probably having "Mission Disks" as originally planned as well.
If only somebody was there to keep Roberts in check.
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I don't think Lazrin has ever played Star Citizen. In fact, I doubt he owns a computer.
So, you are saying library poster ITT?
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Nov 9, 2016 03:55
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- Samizdata
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Wish MoMA would just pull the plug on SC.
No one man can stand against the visionary zeal and awesome power of the Crobbers.
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Nov 9, 2016 05:05
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- starkebn
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"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
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What's the bet that soon there will be a message from CRoberts saying that they lost a bunch of work due to hardware failure?
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Nov 9, 2016 05:08
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- Samizdata
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CoD Infinite has multiplayer and single player, it's amazing how they made two entirely different, separate games at the same time in just a couple of years.
But multiplayer ISN'T a second game. It's just a game mode. Statements like this really annoy me.
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Nov 9, 2016 05:18
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I interviewed a NK escapee who came to my school and made a thread. Then life got in the way and the translation had to be postponed. I did finish it in the end, but nobody is going to pay 10 bux to update my.avatar
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Lazrin may be gone, but he's not forgotten. Let us honour him today, on the eve of Trumptopia, with this word cloud.
Spermanent Record fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Nov 9, 2016
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Nov 9, 2016 06:02
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"leader" seems too small
on the plus side now Laz can play the best game ever for 7 uninterrupted days.
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Nov 9, 2016 06:08
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- JB50
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Will SC see the light of day under President Trumps term?
Time will tell.
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Nov 9, 2016 06:54
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- MarcusSA
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Maybe president trump will bail out CIG.
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Roberts will make space great again. I can feel it.
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Nov 9, 2016 07:24
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- ripptide
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Well, hope none of you were going to try and get into Canada...
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-s-immigration-website-crashes-on-election-night-1.3152231
Really didn't believe it.
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Nov 9, 2016 07:32
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- Hamburger Test
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Sure hope this works!
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You saw I dropped an F-bomb, right? You know, "fun"?
I know this is more than a couple of hours ago, but I don't think anyone who has paid attention to the feature list are expecting fun out of either of these "games".
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Nov 9, 2016 07:39
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- Hamburger Test
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Sure hope this works!
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Remember when people were saying that Brexit was the dumbest decision anyone had ever made?
Haha. Good times.
But they should have already known about SC?!
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Nov 9, 2016 08:54
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- nawledgelambo
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all hail the god emperor
Chris Roberts
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President Trump is going to make Star Citizen great again!
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Nov 9, 2016 09:21
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One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
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The big thing I notice when it comes to deflection of criticism of the current state of Star Citizen is that every time someone brings up its faults and flaws someone simply brushes it off as "early days" problems and that progress is sure to be happening now it seems like they've ironed their kinks out. Yet if you look at what they've done and what they've shown I just can't see it. I mean poo poo, look at this laundry list of problems:
- After declaring they would be releasing Persistant Universe patches monthly, they've failed to actually meet that deadline even once.
- The tutorial for Star Citizen was so broken it took multiple updates to remove (not fix, remove) and still has nothing replacing it.
- After introducing a system for clothing it revealed their atmos system was a sham, and on top of that still haven't been able to prevent players from flying around space shooting air from their nipples.
- They still can't make ships spawn correctly.
- The game has sold ship concepts that are advertised as being crewed by a number of players larger than what the game can handle at present.
- Sometimes basic functions of the ship make it explode.
- Every new gameplay system that they've introduced that is supposed to show that the game is progressing towards its goals has been a threadbare bolt-on that does little to add depth to the experience.
- The two fundamental core gameplay elements of ship combat and person to person combat are dull, primitive and buggy. In an engine designed for FPS play they managed to make crosshairs not work. Ships control poorly and many systems related to ship weapons still don't work properly.
- The game has ships that allow multiple people to crew it but no systems that really justify doing so.
- In spite of attempts to speed up the atrocious animations, they still take too long and frequently don't work correctly in tandem with anything else.
- The patcher is still a murderous resource hog that downloads the entire game with every small change.
You can go on with that too (and quite frankly I will):
- The chat UI is still the same as it ever was in spite of Chris Roberts openly slagging it off live on air that one time.
- They couldn't even program a timer for their own testing feedback systems.
- They openly admitted once their crash reporter isn't reporting much more than "game crashed".
- A not-insignificant amount of people in leading positions have moved on to other companies at a staggered and staggering rate.
- Chris Roberts openly admitted in a recent interview with Kotaku UK that he makes unrealistic demands of his staff (often rudely) and puts the onus on them to spend months making an example to show him in how it doesn't work, with the justification that people told him he couldn't put certain systems in but they still managed it (as compared to how many that didn't, we'll never know and he'll likely never tell).
- They once claimed a staff member falling off his bike crippled all production as a reason for a delay.
- They haven't hit an actual release date promise in years.
- This forum found multiple examples of concept art featuring parts of other games' concept art in it.
- The "one seat" debacle highlighted a complete lack of communication between any different department and complaints made by paying customers were brushed off as coming from "toxic dinks."
- They started refusing refunds on the grounds that the Persistent Universe showed they'd done enough and that this was the game in its base form in spite of the fact at least one developer referred to it as a pre-pre-Alpha.
- They changed the TOS to flat out refuse customers their right to refunds and claimed that chargebacks were "illegal" in spite of the fact that it's a system created by banks.
- Their new TOS is a complete loving failure.
- They're keeping a list of people who asked for a refund for some weird reason. We know this because they incompetently let one refund-seeker stay in the CC of their internal communications.
- To them tweeting a ship name is corporate espionage.
- That entire email exchange with Beer where no one could even agree on what they were punishing him for.
- Every video PGabz makes is a giant neon sign showing how broken things are.
- SomethingJones has an archive of transcriptions of CIG interviews and shows that reveal even Chris doesn't know what he's doing half the time.
- They're still doing mocap.
- Chris Roberts takes multiple documented vacations a year while his staff apparently stay in working around the clock.
- They had so little to show at CitizenCon this year they had a 'documentary' to show that week which highlighted the fact they don't know what they're doing because they couldn't even properly make a demo. It shows Chris Roberts being a complete loving twat to people.
- Chris Roberts begs for gifts from backers in spite of tweeting himself on vacations.
- It once took Chris Roberts 8 hours to have a meltdown about Derek Smart over something Derek Smart wasn't even involved in.
- When they added "persistence" to the game it didn't actually add anything meaningfully persistent.
- Star Marine is in the game, except it isn't because it's coming out uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
But no guys, they're trying. They're really trying and this sort of thing you'd see in any other company that was run by a tyrant if any of these other places were half as open as CIG. CIG is so open in fact that's why we have no idea on what real and tangible progress is occurring, what CIG's plan is, or if Star Marine is in the game or not. If you can read that from shoulder to toes (cause there's clearly nothing going on in the head of CIG and no one else is going to stick their neck out) and still sit there going "Yeah I'm fine" then holy poo poo get someone else to manage your money, and also have them put little safety covers on all the electrical sockets in your house.
This is the thing true-believers, even if you don't think it's a scam you're looking at a farce in progress. This isn't normal. This isn't even anything from the leaks posted here, this is all stuff that's out there mostly via CIG themselves. This is the kind of thing that comes out after a company goes down the tubes because of incompetence at the top and no real plan or idea of what they're doing. Five years into this thing and they're still throwing poo poo at the wall and hoping it sticks. Five years on and still no minimum viable product. Five years on and the best systems they could add were putting pants on and getting sent to your room. Squadron 42 has gone from a big campaign in 2016 to three separate campaigns to a prologue and a whole lot of hoping 2017 might be manageable. The one big thing they wanted to show everyone this year was just a mock-up they made because they had nothing to show for their work, and they still struggled to get any of that to run (and it hosed up during the presentation).
This is great, well done.
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Well, if they keep getting money, they can't say they ran out of money and now can't give refunds and due to the new TOS so long suckers.
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Nov 9, 2016 09:41
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- Kakarot
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If Trump can do it then so can CR,
Chris Roberts for president 2020
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Nov 9, 2016 09:48
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- Erenthal
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A relaxing walk in the woods
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Roberts/Gardiner 2020
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- Tokyo Sexwale
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Gardiner as VP? Please.
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- trucutru
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Well, at least Branson got his wish.
https://twitter.com/FearNoGod/status/796258882955911168
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Nov 9, 2016 09:57
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- Erenthal
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A relaxing walk in the woods
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Gonna sit on the border later today and laugh at all the Americans trying to immigrate.
You could try building a wall I guess, but chances are they would just clip right through it anyway.
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- ShredsYouSay
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How's his widow holding up?
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Trumps acceptance speech reminded me a lot of Croberts mush mouth.
Maybe Trump can make a kickstarter for that wall.
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- TheLastRoboKy
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This is great, well done.
It really wasn't meant to end up so big it just sort of blew out as I went "Oh and this happened and this happened" and you know what's great? I still keep thinking of more stuff because these CIG just keeps loving up. There's no way this company can with this sort of a track-record actually deliver on their promises. I understand this has been a fantastic year to be a scrappy underdog no one thinks has a chance but CIG are not a scrappy underdog. They're a giant robot vacuum cleaner intentionally programmed so that its brain gives its body 15 different conflicting orders and then it's sent to take everyone's money and just hoover it up.
Ending the funding campaign? Now there's something I didn't expect.
Gives them an excuse to take down the tracker and stop telling people how much money they've made while still selling new ships. I guarantee you at least one fanatical backer will use such an event to tell other people with legitimate complaints to "gently caress off because CIG doesn't need you any more."
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