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https://youtu.be/79Vuee5uxY8 Here is the whole debate: https://youtu.be/RMWEF4jauy4 To believe that SVT/SR/UR is "unbiased" at this point is absurd. freelancemoth fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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MiddleOne posted:Just tells me that living in the urban part of Sweden and having a journalist degree skews towards certain conclusions about society. Just like I'd expect someone with an engineering degree to skew towards policies based on rationalism and cultural students to skew towards those based on structuralism. I'm more concerned about outcome in this regard and SR is way better than anyone else (including SVT) due to their decentralized structure and at sometimes absurdly high regard for the un-partisan work-ethic. DN, SVD and Dagens Samhäll do okay in this regard as well (disregarding opinion pieces of course) but not as well. You could use the same reasoning to explain high SD percentage in the police force, but it is still the same problematic as vital democratic functions are highly skewed in one policy direction and thus risk disenfranchising a significant part of the voter base that do not share those political leanings.
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Oct 19, 2016 07:27
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MiddleOne posted:Just tells me that living in the urban part of Sweden and having a journalist degree skews towards certain conclusions about society. Just like I'd expect someone with an engineering degree to skew towards policies based on rationalism and cultural students to skew towards those based on structuralism. I'm more concerned about outcome in this regard and SR is way better than anyone else (including SVT) due to their decentralized structure and at sometimes absurdly high regard for the un-partisan work-ethic. DN, SVD and Dagens Samhäll do okay in this regard as well (disregarding opinion pieces of course) but not as well. Yeah, pretty much. From polls and other studies we know what journalists vote (predominantly left, but not commie-left but rather something like liberal leftish. If one studies the pdf I linked, one will see an increase among journalists for MP and decrease for VP between 1999 and 2005 polls. Schyman left/got kicked out of VP 2003 and was replaced by Ohly, a more hardline commie). We know their socioeconomic status (above average, but considering how they are getting hosed at the moment due to the newspapers crisis maybe not anymore), education (university/college, so not really working class), where they live (in neighbourhoods on the verge of gentrification like Möllan, Majorna (?) and Söder. 40% live in Stockholm, 10% on Söder). This is basically the definition of a class. And of course, as for any other socioeconomic group we would assume a certain worldview in the group about the world and issues. This is by itself not a problem, if it weren't for the fact that mass media are the main suppliers of news and thus a important player in society. In other words, journalists should be held to a higher standard of impartiality in the same manner as we would expect from the healthcare and the police. But what has been seen is that journalists band together, do group think, and consensus breakers are seen as bad. Just look at how upset certain journalists are about Teoderescu at GP. This is one of the main reasons for the success of alternative news sources like Flashback, since that started as an anonymous forum where immigration and integration could be freely discussed without the public shunning that occurred in mass media prior to last year. Swedish news sources lost parts of their credibility as well as the image of being impartial. And that is actually the big issue here. If SVT and SR are seen as being not impartial, then they in the long run open themselves as targets for political opponents. The culture sphere have just realised that there is a distinct possibility that SD will have influence on the budget and are getting scared about this. Which for them is especially bad since SD is more or less immune to pressure from mass media. I am not saying that SVT/SR are there yet, but that is one road that should be avoided. As for goon meets, they should be in a more civilised and multicultural place down south, not in a gated community like Stockholm. TheFluff posted:not really, no Considering SR have a big current thing for identity politics, which by definition is a a post-marxist philosophy (also ultimately nihilist) I would consider them to be rather red. Since you read Tinkzorg, he have done at least 2 public debate articles on identity politics the last couple of weeks. On the other hand, that doesn't shine through so much because there is only so much political bias you can do in short news clips, except in how you select what you consider newsworthy. Especially within immigration, integration, IP-conflict this shines through.
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Cardiac posted:As for goon meets, they should be in a more civilised and multicultural place down south, not in a gated community like Stockholm. That never stopped goons who were literally from other countries. 
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Oct 19, 2016 07:46
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That's a great post. 
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Oct 19, 2016 07:57
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Goon meets should be in Kiruna
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Oct 19, 2016 08:17
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Kiruna has too much activity and property values, drat Sami making the area attractive.  We should meet in Grums.
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Oct 19, 2016 08:38
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What about Tobo?
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Good book on economy in swedish: http://www.abounderrattelser.fi/news/2015/04/nu-finns-fem-myter-om-finlands-ekonomi-pa-natet.html It has a simple conclusion. Basically you can only have 2 out of 3 of these things: A deep economic integration (globalization) Sovereign national states Democracy You can't have all three, you better pick the two you prefer. EDIT: Since the book is free online, I can copy/paste this teaser intro, you can see if it sounds like something you'd want to read: quote:Rent konkret betyder det här att vi igen måste göra ekonomin till ett medel som hjälper oss att His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Oct 19, 2016 10:36
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Does ÅU still have Finn tio fel? I always liked that bit.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Goon meets should be in Kiruna A goon meet in an abandon mine/catacombs is very fitting.
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Oct 20, 2016 18:41
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That'd be more like a goon trip.
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Oct 20, 2016 18:45
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MiddleOne posted:That'd be more like a goon trip. I'd attend this trip. I'm embarrassed that in the 8 months we have lived here we have only spent two weeks out of Stockholm, and that was in Gothenburg and Malmö. But we do have Åre and Kiruna on our list this winter.
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Dirk Pitt posted:I'd attend this trip. I'm embarrassed that in the 8 months we have lived here we have only spent two weeks out of Stockholm, and that was in Gothenburg and Malmö. But we do have Åre and Kiruna on our list this winter. There are people born in Stockholm who spend less time in the non-Stockholm parts of Sweden in their entire lifetime so I wouldn't worry quite yet.
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Oct 22, 2016 13:24
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MiddleOne posted:There are people born in Stockholm who spend less time in the non-Stockholm parts of Sweden in their entire lifetime so I wouldn't worry quite yet.
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Oct 22, 2016 13:46
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MiddleOne posted:Kiruna has too much activity and property values, drat Sami making the area attractive. Snacka inte skit om Grums mf
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Oct 24, 2016 22:15
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eightpole posted:Snacka inte skit om Grums mf Svårt att inte snacka skit när det luktar som det gör.
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Oct 24, 2016 22:24
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Zudgemud posted:Svårt att inte snacka skit när det luktar som det gör. Grums doft är himmelsk tyvm
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Oct 25, 2016 18:48
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eightpole posted:Grums doft är himmelsk tyvm Äkta landsbygd luktar gödsel och blommor.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:59
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MiddleOne posted:Äkta landsbygd luktar gödsel och blommor. Närmaste det vi kommer här är lukten på raggarbilswunderbaum 
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eightpole posted:Närmaste det vi kommer här är lukten på raggarbilswunderbaum Jag vet inte varför just min landsbygd saknade volvoraggare. Bara 7km bort på grannorten gömde sig fienden....
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MiddleOne posted:Jag vet inte varför just min landsbygd saknade volvoraggare. Bara 7km bort på grannorten gömde sig fienden.... Känns lite som att du missade halva upplevelsen. Landsbygdsuppväxt är inte komplett utan rondellbuller i form av Eddie Meduza...
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eightpole posted:Känns lite som att du missade halva upplevelsen. Rondeller? Vad är det för urbant helvetesskap du spenderat tiden i där korsningar inte är gud?
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MiddleOne posted:Rondeller? Vad är det för urbant helvetesskap du spenderat tiden i där korsningar inte är gud? Rondeller existerar inte. I allafall om man ser till antalet nyttjade blinkers i min hemstad.
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MiddleOne posted:Rondeller? Vad är det för urbant helvetesskap du spenderat tiden i där korsningar inte är gud? Min hemmetropol är ett gäng hus mellan två sådana 8)
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evilmiera posted:Rondeller existerar inte. I allafall om man ser till antalet nyttjade blinkers i min hemstad.  "
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no one cares, but Iceland votes today! The Pirates were expected to come out in front but a new poll shows that Independence (the party you think of when you think "2008 financial crisis" and "Panama papers" and "breaking the law trying to deport legal immigrants") are way out in front. There's still a chance that the Pirates could pull it off, which would probably make for a Pirate-Left Green-Social Democrat-Bright Future coalition government, but that's looking less likely now.
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Must suck to have your election just over a week earlier than the most hyped up US presidential election of forever. I think SR did some piece about the pirate party a couple of days ago but beyond that I haven't really heard anything.
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Oct 29, 2016 10:11
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What happened to the Best Party? I liked their guy.
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eightpole posted:What happened to the Best Party? I liked their guy. Oh, they're still around. Bright Future (Björt Framtið) is The Best Party (Besti Flokkurinn) on the national level. Jón Gnarr is working on a sitcom about being mayor of Reykjavík. Óttarr Proppé, current Björt Framtið MP and one of the guys from the 2010 Besti Flokkurinn wave, is set to play Iceland Airwaves next week with his band HAM. He also spends his time teaching children about the alphabet. He's also showed up at Eurovision. Meanwhile Bjarni Benediktsson, Minister of Finance and scumbag, said on Facebook the other day that taxes haven't increased for the top 20% because 70% of the country are tax cheats. Bjarni Ben got caught with a shell company a couple months ago. The Independence Party, everyone! edrith fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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Welp that was a bust. Independence (Sjálfstæðisflokkurinn) came out on top. They're probably going to form a coalition with Restoration (Viðsrein) and the Progressives (Framsóknarflokkur). Cutting of funds for education for some, miniature shell companies for others. Oh well. We'll always have Shrieking Horse Woman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93zTtJOiuNQ
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Read this article which I found interesting.
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Aren't the Nordics as a whole blending up a hell of a lot more? I mean, percentage of first gen foreign born in Iceland is a bit over ten percent and that doesn't include Icelanders born abroad or first and second gen immigrants and I'd think there'd be a heckload more of them on the mainland, so it's even more flawed?
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Aren't the Nordics as a whole blending up a hell of a lot more? I mean, percentage of first gen foreign born in Iceland is a bit over ten percent and that doesn't include Icelanders born abroad or first and second gen immigrants and I'd think there'd be a heckload more of them on the mainland, so it's even more flawed? The article touches upon this, but yeah the notion of the Nordic countries being 100% white is no longer completely accurate.
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Såg en man gå runt med en SD-jacka i morse. De kommer vara så jävla kaxiga de kommande åren.
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Renoistic posted:Såg en man gå runt med en SD-jacka i morse. De kommer vara så jävla kaxiga de kommande åren. Yeah, and it is going to be interesting whether our political elite will learn anything from Brexit and Trump winning. There is an obvious discrepancy between them (for many reasons) and the so-called silent majority. In other words, pretty please can we avoid having SD at 25% and as largest party.
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Cardiac posted:Yeah, and it is going to be interesting whether our political elite will learn anything from Brexit and Trump winning.
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Cardiac posted:Yeah, and it is going to be interesting whether our political elite will learn anything from Brexit and Trump winning. 
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Collateral Damage posted:It's all an effect of neglecting the school for so long. Kids aren't taught fact checking and critical thinking any more, which has given us the fact-resistant generation who only trusts whatever their echo chamber on Facebook says. No matter how many actual truths you shove in their faces they'll ignore it if it doesn't match up with their preconceived world view. Since young people don't really vote (see Brexit) but old ones do, I guess we should blame the schools in the 60-80s then?
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Cardiac posted:Since young people don't really vote (see Brexit) but old ones do, I guess we should blame the schools in the 60-80s then? What we first need to do is making voting mandatory with fines handed out to people who neglect their civic duty, because people not voting due to laziness just puts democracy in the bin.
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