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VikingSkull posted:calling the people who voted for Trump stupid is precisely why Trump won It is important to remember that we are in a post factual world.
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jBrereton posted:I am a guy who would have voted for Sanders in the US. He was not likeable, though. His hoarse voice from a lifetime spent shouting things/over people was a telltale sign that he was a guy who did not get his way as much as he liked. People pick up on that stuff. he was provably likeable according to polls, albeit only at a +5-10 basis. Clinton was -15, though, which is historically weak. I'm not saying Sanders was a great or even good candidate, just that he was better than the worst candidate in history, Hillary Rodham Clinton
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i fully expect them to walk the path of UK Labour and double down on their capitalist centrist, cowardly, closed doors power play bullshit tho agreed
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Nov 9, 2016 10:35
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hot take: the person proudly wearing the label of socialist might have done well with a population who didn't see a god damned thing from the economic "recovery"
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kaleedity posted:why is his favorable-unfavorable in the 60s while clinton's and trump's are toeing 0 because hillary has 2 decades of media poo poo flinging and trump is donald trump who knows what skeletons lurked in bernie's closet
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My gf's friend is an engaged lesbian woman from New York and she voted for trump and it took all of my energy to not loving lose it on her
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Desk Lamp posted:Honestly, Bernie Sanders wouldn't have fared any better than Clinton. Trump's campaign messaged simply resonated too well with a segment whose size and influence have been severely underestimated for 3 elections now. Trump's message was simple and it appealed to feelings. His message had enemies you could hate and a plan to defeat them. It doesn't matter that the enemies are made up and the plans are unfeasible, it gives you something to fight for, it creates conviction. It doesn't matter that most of the poo poo Clinton was accused of weren't real, Trump (with the help of the GOP and to a lesser extent the Sanders primary campaign) made sure even her supporters had doubt. To Trump voters, democrats, the left, liberals, they're all enemies, they're all telling you you're racist, that you don't matter, making you bake cakes for gay weddings and letting men in dresses go to the bathroom with your daughter, trampling on the constitution, putting minorities' kids and their futures before your own. The sheer size of this segment of the population goes by unnoticed, they're not represented on the media, and you don't come across them on the Internet, because they're not the stereotypical racist old white guy you would imagine, they're cashiers, mechanics, the guy at the car wash, people who won't go completely white supremacist on you but are secretly worried about the Black Lives Matter movement. I think you're right. I don't think there was a mechanism for undercutting Trump once he solidified himself in the Republican primary.
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future history student: So why DID the American empire fall? future history teacher: the pre-war records are incomplete but a single word appears thousands of times in them: "emails" edit: the seriousness of what is going to go down soon hasn't hit me yet.
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Yinlock posted:because hillary has 2 decades of media poo poo flinging and trump is donald trump huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur, let's just ignore that huge malus and vote for her anyway to make a point!
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Nov 9, 2016 10:37
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VikingSkull posted:calling the people who voted for Trump stupid is precisely why Trump won they're really stupid though
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VikingSkull posted:calling the people who voted for Trump stupid is precisely why Trump won "Heh, Republicans' contempt for minorities will continue pushing them to the Democrats. Good job destroying your voting base!" 4 years later "Heh, those dumb poor white hicks would never vote for us anyway."
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Yudo posted:^^^^HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA holy poo poo look at this sad clinton voter passing the blame the craziest thing is he worked in washington forever, has lots of people IN washington (including many, many republicans) saying hes great, and still got the outsider vote. its loving nuts.
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Yudo posted:To make myself clear, Sanders or even Biden would have annihilated Trump, though I am more confident about the former due to the electoral attitude and his perceived "outsider" status. Trump has been christened the political novice by the Associated Press. 2 Term president.
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Homework Explainer posted:hot take: the person proudly wearing the label of socialist might have done well with a population who didn't see a god damned thing from the economic "recovery" he'd have done well because he's not clinton
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Desk Lamp posted:Honestly, Bernie Sanders wouldn't have fared any better than Clinton. Trump's campaign messaged simply resonated too well with a segment whose size and influence have been severely underestimated for 3 elections now. Trump's message was simple and it appealed to feelings. His message had enemies you could hate and a plan to defeat them. It doesn't matter that the enemies are made up and the plans are unfeasible, it gives you something to fight for, it creates conviction. It doesn't matter that most of the poo poo Clinton was accused of weren't real, Trump (with the help of the GOP and to a lesser extent the Sanders primary campaign) made sure even her supporters had doubt. To Trump voters, democrats, the left, liberals, they're all enemies, they're all telling you you're racist, that you don't matter, making you bake cakes for gay weddings and letting men in dresses go to the bathroom with your daughter, trampling on the constitution, putting minorities' kids and their futures before your own. The sheer size of this segment of the population goes by unnoticed, they're not represented on the media, and you don't come across them on the Internet, because they're not the stereotypical racist old white guy you would imagine, they're cashiers, mechanics, the guy at the car wash, people who won't go completely white supremacist on you but are secretly worried about the Black Lives Matter movement. nope, he would have made significant headway in ohio, pa, michigan (lol remember the primary polling vs result there?), and wisconsin with undecideds. The only one of those he lost to clinton was Ohio. Looks like she did really well there!
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Nov 9, 2016 10:38
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So if the polls were all wrong then are all the polls wrong? Is Obama's approval rating really that high if his "third term" was just rejected so decisively? Are the polls about legal marijuana and LGBT rights etc. also wrong as well???
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kaleedity posted:why is his favorable-unfavorable in the 60s while clinton's and trump's are toeing 0 same reason dogs seem cuter at the pound than when they're making GBS threads in your living room u always miss most the ones u left behind
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Humidora posted:A carbon copy of Hillary but male still wouldn't have won, I don't get why you think it boils down solely to that a lot of hillary people are doubling down on the idea that this is all because hillary is a woman when the reality is much more complex than that (though obviously horrific misogyny played a role in this election) there are many many many twitter posts right now that are basically doing this
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Everyone should be required to live in a red state for 2 years to see what it's like. They say the same thing about retail.
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Vox Nihili posted:huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur, let's just ignore that huge malus and vote for her anyway to make a point! malus noun the return of performance-related compensation upon the discovery of deficient performance what?
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Yinlock posted:because hillary has 2 decades of media poo poo flinging and trump is donald trump I guess that all came out in the primary where he went from 2% to around 40% of voters huh
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Samurai Sanders posted:future history student: So why DID the American empire fall? All they will find is scrolled fossilized faeces spelling "MAGA for the MAGA God!"
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Tiler Kiwi posted:yeah i can only hope trump is such a fuckup that two years of republican screwy bullshit might galvanize a real, berniesque leftist opposition based on a 50 state strategy and a real progressive set of policy solutions It's actually hard to say. Depends almost entirely on if they blame the "most liberal platform ever" or the candidate for the loss. If it's Clinton who the party blames then we continue shifting toward the Warren/Sanders side of the aisle. Since angry white guys who won it for Trump, there's a decent chance we blame Clinton and continue on with the progressive policy.
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breaklaw posted:So if the polls were all wrong then are all the polls wrong? A non-insignificant amount of rural white Trump voters also like Obama, as paradoxical as that sounds.
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Anyone, anyone who came across as a halfway decent person would've won against Trump. He was basically telling the American people not to vote for him every time he opened his mouth; it could not be any more obvious that the guy's retarded and just shouts whatever insane thing is going through his mind at the time. Unfortunately for everyone, the Democrats decided to field a lizard person in a woman skin against him, and she/it could not even manage to create the illusion of being halfway decent.
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Nichael posted:While I appreciate the intent of people who use language like "cis", as I know they're trying to do the right thing, I do agree with you (somewhat). The Tumblr elements of the left did us no favors. its gobbeltygook we need to speak american and espouse american values as we destroy this loving mad society and rebuild it from the bottom up do you understand that Alex loving Jones has the ear of the next president of the U.S.? this is the way out of this nightmare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUT5Fs4yIhU
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Nov 9, 2016 10:40
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Pick posted:I think you're right. I don't think there was a mechanism for undercutting Trump once he solidified himself in the Republican primary. Your saying that because you mocked Sanders supporters who warned you about this eariler. Sanders had a strong grasp on what got Trump elected and was pulling away the key votes from that demographic. It would have been a blowout for Sanders. Hillary and the DNC were legitimately just this bad and inept.
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BLMs is going to go into overdrive. Not that that's a bad thing. Expect the next 8 years to have the rockiesr race relations in a long while.
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Homework Explainer posted:hot take: the person proudly wearing the label of socialist might have done well with a population who didn't see a god damned thing from the economic "recovery" The guy who made wonderful sound bites about how he wants to raise taxes however would probably not. When no opposition spends months - or in Clinton's case - years smearing everything you ever said or done and looking how to frame it in the worst possible way, you look like a great candidate. Bernie would have had other problems than Clinton, but maybe even bigger ones. But hindsight is 20/20 and we will never know.
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Reality TV star, WWE Hall of Famer, Beauty Pageant owner, Howard Stern Show Wack Packer.... And President of the United States of America.
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Dammit, why is my internet speed so drat slow now... Oh. Gotcha. (If I have to dress like Bilbo, you fuckers aren't invited.)
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Nov 9, 2016 10:40
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reminder: the losing candidate looked at this polling and thought "time to bring out the russia scare campaign" 
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NutritiousSnack posted:Hillary and the DNC were legitimately just this bad and inept.
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Yudo posted:^^^^HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA holy poo poo look at this sad clinton voter passing the blame I didn't vote for Clinton, and the entire point of my post was that it wasn't really any one's fault. Absolutely everyone underestimated the fringe right's influence on average Americans because they assumed the more visible minority represented the entire voting block.
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Yinlock posted:they're really stupid though you're competing with them well
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FourLeaf posted:a lot of hillary people are doubling down on the idea that this is all because hillary is a woman when the reality is much more complex than that (though obviously horrific misogyny played a role in this election) in fairness to twitter's hot takes it's a pretty easy narrative to get to when her opponent was an obviously horrific misogynist
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exquisite tea posted:A non-insignificant amount of rural white Trump voters also like Obama, as paradoxical as that sounds. Because Obama is as charismatic as an American can be. Hillary was more stiff than Gaddafi's corpse.
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Now I have to bring my laptop to my parents' house so I can show my dad HyperNormalisation, and maybe help him make sense of what the gently caress just happened.
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Nov 9, 2016 10:41
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NutritiousSnack posted:Your saying that because you mocked Sanders supporters who warned you about this eariler. Sanders had a strong grasp on what got Trump elected and was pulling away the key votes from that demographic. It would have been a blowout for Sanders. i'm glad you know exactly how mystical golden god bernie sanders would have performed
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Yinlock posted:malus the BAD THING, friend, the BAD THING. people hated her even before she ran, and hated her more when she started to run. thats bad! if 60% of people hate you in an election you might lose, even against someone that 65% of people hate. all it takes is a quirk in the electoral college. poof!
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