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Fojar38 posted:Can someone please explain to me US civics in a way that will will help alleviate my fear of the "gently caress Mexico, Kill Muslims, and disband NATO" bill of 2017 passing the senate donald trump is impeachment bait
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corn in the bible posted:yeah, all those conservative white voters will vanish into an abyss in ten years Well a significant number of them will.
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Lawman 0 posted:donald trump is impeachment bait Impeached by who
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Lawman 0 posted:donald trump is impeachment bait Donald Trump could shoot a hooker a day every day just after causing another Benghazi-style attack for the next four years and he'd still not get impeached.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:39
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Fojar38 posted:Hello can someone please explain to me why the world isn't literally ending. Because this isn't a new development for America. Fifty years ago, America was readying to elect Richard Nixon, there were states in which mixed-race couples couldn't legally marry or rent a room together, homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder, and prominent leftists were being assassinated or waiting their turn. Forty years ago, the Equal Rights Amendment went down in flames, and conservative evangelicals were gathering together to wield political muscle because they didn't want minorities in their schools. Thirty years ago, the two-bit actor reelected as President was mocking AIDS as a "gay plague." Twenty years ago, the government shut down over fighting over Medicare and education spending, as a wave of anger had handed Congress to the Republicans on a platter. Ten years ago, we were just getting around to the notion that same-sex couples should be allowed to have sex in their own homes. For all the shouting some do about how America is a great and moral and welcoming Shining City On A Hill and an example for the world, it's not. It's just another nation and this cycle of populist anger versus idealism, privilege versus inclusiveness, happens over and over. Sometimes we want to believe that we're the generation that cracked the code -- our youth are enlightened and the old people are dying out and we're making significant gains and we're this close to shoving the opposition under the rug for decades. Reality is biased in our direction. Then we find out that a big chunk of people reject our reality and substitute their own and we ride through the dark part of the cycle once again. Britain demonstrates that it's hardly a uniquely American cycle either, but here we are. And no, we're not finished now, any more than a Hillary win would've signified final victory over the John Birch mentality. The cycle always keeps spinning. quote:There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . . Everything old is new again.
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corn in the bible posted:yeah, all those conservative white voters will vanish into an abyss in ten years They;ll drop by about 5-^% in ten years. Unless the GOP doesn't piss off the non white voters by not being lovely. (Yeah I know thats a hilarious fantasy) their not going to make that up and HRC didn't even lose the election by the popular vote. If they do not make up those lost voters they'll once again be where they were three weeks ago. Hoping the FBI will risk a 1861.
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Fojar38 posted:Impeached by who Good question. Probably if he has a pet policy and doesn't play nice with congress. Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 14:40
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delfin posted:Because this isn't a new development for America. 
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Nov 9, 2016 14:41
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Fojar38 posted:Impeached by who other Republicans, who really wanted Pence in the driver's seat anyway it's an insane move that would probably backfire, but we live in insane times so hey
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Nov 9, 2016 14:41
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Crowsbeak posted:They;ll drop by about 5-^% in ten years. Unless the GOP doesn't piss off the non white voters by not being lovely. (Yeah I know thats a hilarious fantasy) their not going to make that up and HRC didn't even lose the election by the popular vote. If they do not make up those lost voters they'll once again be where they were three weeks ago. Hoping the FBI will risk a 1861. I thought the votes were still being counted? If that does end up being the case though, man it is hosed up that the popular vote has been beaten by the Electoral College for a second time this century.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:43
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The Puppy Bowl posted:How did this happen? How did we allow the narrative to become "both are so bad why even bother"? I know voter suppression was a part of it but god. As stated previously the media is trash. They've been coy with right wing messaging for twenty years as fox news, Breitbart, am radio, etc has flourished and redefined reality. They're too gutless to point out lies so those lies become true. They allowed themselves to be tarred as "liberal" while giving equal voice to white supremacy. The one thing that gives me the slightest hope is that the GOP has inadvertently bit off more than it can chew. They've blamed Obama for all of the world's problems for eight years while doing jack poo poo nothing as the country atrophied. Now they have all branches of government and can't point to any one person keeping them down and now they have been tasked with saving the country. I know it's more probably they just figure out a way to blame muslims, immigrants, and black people but with no effective advisory party it's going to be harder to claim they are the little guy in this scenario. Of course white voters have displayed they are either idiots or too lazy to give a poo poo so maybe they'll just allow themselves to starve to death as long as the TV tells them that it's some guy in another country's fault. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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TGLT posted:I thought the votes were still being counted? If that does end up being the case though, man it is hosed up that the popular vote has been beaten by the Electoral College for a second time this century. She's ahead in the popular vote count right now and most of the remaining votes to count come from areas that are likely to go for her. Not that it matters of course but lol that the Democrats have won the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections but only ended up with the presidency in 5 of them. Abolish the electoral college.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:45
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Crowsbeak posted:The Media has been doing that since the 80s. Yes but the President Elect is now Donald Trump. It takes only a modicum of representing fact to show that 90% of the american people are better qualified for the position. I still can't hold this in my hands. How are we so terrible?
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Nov 9, 2016 14:47
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TGLT posted:I thought the votes were still being counted? If that does end up being the case though, man it is hosed up that the popular vote has been beaten by the Electoral College for a second time this century. Might be for the best. After this election the dems in order to permanently destroy the GOP will probably need a populace who have no faith in the system as is, so that when we get power we can stack the deck and then use the government against our opponents. The Puppy Bowl posted:Yes but the President Elect is now Donald Trump. It takes only a modicum of representing fact to show that 90% of the american people are better qualified for the position. I still can't hold this in my hands. How are we so terrible? Too many people use TV still. Likewise the baby boomers still exist.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:48
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Lord Hydronium posted:This oddly enough made me feel better. Honestly Trump himself isn't that much of a problem, he's such a bullshitter that I don't really believe he'll actually attempt any of that awful poo poo he was running at the mouth about during the election (which is ironically probably the biggest threat to his re-election in 2020). The Republicans controlling congress is what sucks, though it'll be interesting to see what they actually DO now that there's nobody to blame but them for everything that happens. It's possible now that they don't have to pretend they're fighting "PRESIDENT OBAMA'S RADICAL AGENDA" to their base that the non-Freedom Caucus people will go back to trying to do remotely sane things (terrible things yes, but at least things with the barest of basis in reality). What does not feel good is that I will go back to not having health insurance after they repeal the ACA.
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I think that they will find that repealing ACA is harder than it looks even with control of the government.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:49
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Yes but the President Elect is now Donald Trump. It takes only a modicum of representing fact to show that 90% of the american people are better qualified for the position. I still can't hold this in my hands. How are we so terrible? " modicum of representing fact" is more than they are willing to do. Not that I think it REALLY would have mattered since the Democrats just didn't care this election.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:49
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Fojar38 posted:I think that they will find that repealing ACA is harder than it looks even with control of the government. They'll probably just repeal the requirement to cover people with pre-existing conditions and leave the rest intact because that might actually be shittier than the original situation.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:51
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Feinne posted:Honestly Trump himself isn't that much of a problem, he's such a bullshitter that I don't really believe he'll actually attempt any of that awful poo poo he was running at the mouth about during the election (which is ironically probably the biggest threat to his re-election in 2020). The Republicans controlling congress is what sucks, though it'll be interesting to see what they actually DO now that there's nobody to blame but them for everything that happens. It's possible now that they don't have to pretend they're fighting "PRESIDENT OBAMA'S RADICAL AGENDA" to their base that the non-Freedom Caucus people will go back to trying to do remotely sane things (terrible things yes, but at least things with the barest of basis in reality). I feel like even if they did repeal the ACA, there would be a good amount of people who turn on them because we go back to the bad old days of insurance carriers dropping you because they did extensive research and found that you coughed once in a doctors office 30 years ago so therefore you have a pre-existing condition.
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DeathSandwich posted:I feel like even if they did repeal the ACA, there would be a good amount of people who turn on them because we go back to the bad old days of insurance carriers dropping you because they did extensive research and found that you coughed once in a doctors office 30 years ago so therefore you have a pre-existing condition. "Yay I got my old cheap policy [that doesn't cover anything] back! Thanks Republicans!" "oops I died from lack of healthcare and can't vote as a ghost." I have lost any sort of faith in white people abandoning the GOP over anything. The only thing that got them over was a charismatic leader that pushed policies they apparently hated. The GOP could start sending their kids to die in some idiotic military adventure and they will happily pull the lever to send whoever is left next election. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 14:55
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John_A_Tallon posted:Depends on where. If you're looking at anywhere in California, I would wait for the secessionist movement to gain some steam. At the first sign of armed conflict the market will start freefalling, and depending on the duration and intensity of the fighting you might be able to pick up some really great land at low prices. Is calexit even a possibility? (European here, im just curious)
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DeathSandwich posted:I feel like even if they did repeal the ACA, there would be a good amount of people who turn on them because we go back to the bad old days of insurance carriers dropping you because they did extensive research and found that you coughed once in a doctors office 30 years ago so therefore you have a pre-existing condition. Oh, that's not the ACA. That's Obamacare that's denying your heart surgery.
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From a foreign policy standpoint it's now completely unclear what the us is willing to defend and what the us is now going to unilaterally attack. Presumably that'll get somewhat less cloudy but maybe in the form of policy details being dictated by newt/whatever unhinged ex-general is in vogue.
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Pakled posted:She's ahead in the popular vote count right now and most of the remaining votes to count come from areas that are likely to go for her. Huh. Huh. I mean, gently caress, what do you even say to that? Crowsbeak posted:Might be for the best. After this election the dems in order to permanently destroy the GOP will probably need a populace who have no faith in the system as is, so that when we get power we can stack the deck and then use the government against our opponents. I don't know. That feels like an overly optimistic take on the situation right now. If the popular vote is still with the democrats, you'd think a disillusioned populace would be better for the GOP.
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Feinne posted:They'll probably just repeal the requirement to cover people with pre-existing conditions and leave the rest intact because that might actually be shittier than the original situation. This is a good point, since this is probably the insurance industry's preferred outcome. Throw on selling across borders and you'll have a nation forced to buy barebones coverage out of Idaho.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:57
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delfin posted:Because this isn't a new development for America. This is slightly reassuring, but it doesn't change the fact that we now have a Republican-controlled House, Senate, and Presidency. They're gonna appoint a judge who wants to turn gay people into sausage, or whatever. They're going to repeal Obamacare and probably put legislation into place to impede the formation of any future socialized healthcare. We'll probably see the Department of Education, EPA, and most regulatory organizations get financially gutted. Some "MUH RELIGION" town clerk will probably get their case against marriage equality up to the supreme court and then who knows what will happen. We're going to see the full fury of both cultural and probably legislative backlash against "political correctness" as various groups run the risk of losing protected status from a federal government that doesn't really think they are people. We'll have a president who gleefully endorses a status quo in which protesters and dissenters are brutalized and imprisoned, and press outlets can be sued into oblivion if they say something he disagrees with. We'll probably see the politicized use of the word "thug" expand to include any kind of dissenter/activist against his establishment. It's gonna be a real hosed up 4 years, and our ability to recover from it depends solely on the people who actually voted for this to happen deciding for themselves that it was bad. Which is a long shot, at this stage, and may just mean that Trump and the GOP didn't do enough to express their rage toward minorities or their abject phobia of socialism or something. Because otherwise they'll just vote for the same thing, or the more extreme version of the same thing, ad nauseum, if that's the case.
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halwain posted:Is calexit even a possibility? (European here, im just curious) It's not.
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Radish posted:"Yay I got my old cheap policy [that doesn't cover anything] back! Thanks Republicans!" Yeah plenty of people in such a situation are just going to lose their policies. And yes they will know who cost them it. Probably won't help that around the same time the destruction of the Chinese Real Estate Market will begin a year long Armageddon that will see American Unemployment back up to 10 levels.
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An insane amount of the elderly white Republican base are Type 2 diabetic, and as soon as they realize they will lose their insurance all will for an ACA repeal goes out the window. And since these are the idiots driving up the price of my insulin, I'm glad some good will come from it.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:00
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deadly_pudding posted:This is slightly reassuring, but it doesn't change the fact that we now have a Republican-controlled House, Senate, and Presidency. They're gonna appoint a judge who wants to turn gay people into sausage, or whatever. I think the person who said the guy that comes after Trump is the one that really fucks the world is right. Trump is going to make everyone's lives way shittier and even more obsessed with finding a scapegoat instead of voting against the GOP..
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Radish posted:" modicum of representing fact" is more than they are willing to do. Not that I think it REALLY would have mattered since the Democrats just didn't care this election. That's not fair. The democrats cared. A friend of mine had a nervous breakdown working 80 hour weeks in rural Virginia for the Clinton campaign. People spent all day in lines to vote losing chunks of their paychecks they can't afford to vote in this election. They''ve given money time and heart to the cause of making sure this didn't happen. The ones who failed us are those that couldn't be bothered. It's the people who normalized "What a bad campaign" and "What terrible candidates". It's the people who played the false equivalency game with Trump's gross inhumanity, ignorance, criminality, etc. and Clinton's emails. It's the people who needed to save 4% on their taxes for income that won't effect their lifestyle at all at the cost of global stability. The democrats need to do more and better for the people of this nation. I need to look in a mirror and figure out what more I could have and should have done. But we are not to blame for Trump and the coming awfulness. That evil is not on us.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Yes but the President Elect is now Donald Trump. It takes only a modicum of representing fact to show that 90% of the american people are better qualified for the position. I still can't hold this in my hands. How are we so terrible? Look at the last several Republican presidents we have had. The BEST qualified of them may have been Bush the Elder, and it's between him and Nixon. Qualifications are not what the Republican base looks for in a leader.
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah plenty of people in such a situation are just going to lose their policies. And yes they will know who cost them it. Probably won't help that around the same time the destruction of the Chinese Real Estate Market will begin a year long Armageddon that will see American Unemployment back up to 10 levels. China is having a drat party right now. If Trump enacts a fraction of what he wants on a global economics level they are positioned to replace us as a focal point of global trade.
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FactsAreUseless posted:An insane amount of the elderly white Republican base are Type 2 diabetic, and as soon as they realize they will lose their insurance all will for an ACA repeal goes out the window. The weirdest thing is i assume all his actual policies are just going to be rubber stamped heritage foundation stuff, like his list of judges. But not even THEY have a plan to replace the ACA. The whole strategy has just been to try to repeal it.
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah plenty of people in such a situation are just going to lose their policies. And yes they will know who cost them it. Probably won't help that around the same time the destruction of the Chinese Real Estate Market will begin a year long Armageddon that will see American Unemployment back up to 10 levels. I don't know I think it would in fact be exactly what he deserves if Trump gets blamed for the job market collapsing due to something that actually ISN'T his fault.
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The only slim upside to this is that the Republicans will take full ownership of whatever happens next. People turned on Obama hard after he wasted what they perceived to be total control of the government (it wasn't), and I imagine that people will do the same after Trump fails to make America great again. The ACA is definitely gone but that might backfire on them now that it's actually in effect and people don't hate it.
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Retro42 posted:China is having a drat party right now. If Trump enacts a fraction of what he wants on a global economics level they are positioned to replace us as a focal point of global trade. Yeah, he wont. The GOP will gladly back him on the racist horseshit that will kill the party permantly and perhapse lead to 1861, but tarriffs and destroying NAFTA and CAFTA? Nope they'll block him as their backers will tell him. Plus they'll soothe him with more racist legislation. China will poo poo the bed, fallowed by india, and our economy will fallow in six to eight months. Feinne posted:I don't know I think it would in fact be exactly what he deserves if Trump gets blamed for the job market collapsing due to something that actually ISN'T his fault. It isn't about whether you caused it or not, its all about being in the drivers seat when the poo poo hits the fan, you get blamed for the poo poo,
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Rookersh posted:It's way more then this. Bernie Sanders gave that stupid dead party a recipe for success, and they decided to throw it away to instead feed their own power hungry bureaucracy, which then made its best effort to alienate as many people as possible without reaching out to anybody new.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:That's not fair. The democrats cared. A friend of mine had a nervous breakdown working 80 hour weeks in rural Virginia for the Clinton campaign. People spent all day in lines to vote losing chunks of their paychecks they can't afford to vote in this election. They''ve given money time and heart to the cause of making sure this didn't happen. I'm sorry I meant the media in general (as they have the ability to represent facts on a wider scale). I'm really sorry if I inadvertently implied all regular people weren't trying as hard as they could. I agree the Democrats need a soul searching moment. The story was the GOP fracturing but looking at the reality the DNC is absolutely crushed on every level from local all the way up. They have been totally rejected and need to find what the voters want while not giving into the easy answer of bigotry. The entire leadership needs to step down in disgrace since this has been almost two decades of failure.
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HorseRenoir posted:The only slim upside to this is that the Republicans will take full ownership of whatever happens next. Yeah, that doesn't happen to Republicans. Remember, there's a not-insignificant number of people who fully believe that Katrina happened under the Obama administration.
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