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weird Asian candy posted:If I have to hear one more person tell me it's my "civic duty" to vote I'm gonna lose my poo poo I dunno I finally filled out my ballot today and dropped it off at my neighborhood drop box location and a lot of lazy asses like myself were doing the same It was sorta   
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Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey. gently caress you, Kalli. gently caress you. I hope you come to hate yourself as much as Donald Trump hates minorities.
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Nov 9, 2016 12:46
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Your not voting does matter to the people who will be affected by the years to come. Colin should've known this. it's not my place to judge him specifically. but i can judge some motherfuckers on the internet easily, its my pride and joy
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Quest For Glory II posted:Your not voting does matter to the people who will be affected by the years to come. Colin should've known this. it's not my place to judge him specifically. but i can judge some motherfuckers on the internet easily, its my pride and joy I've already seen it "well, I didn't think he would win" Go gently caress yourselves, t  t
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Nov 9, 2016 14:07
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Shangri-Law School posted:Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey. Haha. I'm a socialist from Massachusetts dog. I got to watch the DNC ram through a godawful candidate that was hated by a significant majority of the country and incapable of beating klansman foghorn leghorn. Like, Hillary's so lovely over 50% of Trump's votes came from women and minorities. I also voted, I just recognize the futility of it. But hey, let me get to the meat of it. Colin Kaepernick didn't vote because a vote for Hillary was a vote for the same lovely mass murdering cop policies we've had for forever. Kalli fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 15:07
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I don't expect anything to get through your thick skull for at least a year. I am not blaming you, but I am repulsed by your sick "I told you so" mindset that sadly, many people share with you. gently caress you forever.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:36
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I don't get the mindset that you're wrong not to vote in non-tossup states. Kap and Kalli and me for that matter really don't need to vote. Especially if we're just talking about the president As for the I told you sos, I mean...many people did say so This is still probably the worst night in American political history though
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v2vian man posted:
No argument there. loving christ I had some depressing opinions validated last night. Also yeah, I voted because Mass had 4 ballot initiatives and 3 of them were for good things. Kalli fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 15:58
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I would hate Kalli even if Hillary had won. You can't act in a way such that everyone acting by the same reasoning would produce the outcome you don't want. Michigan and Pennsylvania were safe Democratic states for decades, until they weren't. And regarding Kaep, now he has a president that supports cops killing black people. That thought the Central Park should have been executed. This is an extinction-level event.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:01
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So did you vote for charter schools or slot machines?
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Nov 9, 2016 16:29
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Shangri-Law School posted:I would hate Kalli even if Hillary had won. You can't act in a way such that everyone acting by the same reasoning would produce the outcome you don't want. Michigan and Pennsylvania were safe Democratic states for decades, until they weren't. This wouldn't have happened if the democrats hadn't put up such an awful candidate. Both parties are complicit in this outcome, and neither one deserves to chart the course of public policy.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:50
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Yeah you have to look at the fact that Clinton spent too long fighting for meaningless states as opposed to sureing up the "Blue Wall"
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Nov 9, 2016 16:57
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Kalli posted:Haha. I'm a socialist from Massachusetts dog. I got to watch the DNC ram through a godawful candidate that was hated by a significant majority of the country and incapable of beating klansman foghorn leghorn. I'm with Kalli here.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:03
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A.o.D. posted:This wouldn't have happened if the democrats hadn't put up such an awful candidate. Both parties are complicit in this outcome, and neither one deserves to chart the course of public policy. I feel so much better now, thanks! 
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Nov 9, 2016 17:18
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Shangri-Law School posted:I feel so much better now, thanks! Glad we got that settled.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:55
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I'm so disappointed Kap's non-vote broke America.
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Nov 10, 2016 14:04
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The other 50%+ of eligible voters that didn't vote aren't famous so ya be broke democracy WAY TO GO
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Nov 10, 2016 14:38
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But down ballot issues.. 
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Nov 10, 2016 15:06
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The lesson here is just because someone recognizes basic social injustices that doesn't make them a smart person.
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Nov 10, 2016 16:13
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He does a ton of work with Oakland area kids and is directly helping people so who cares if he didn't vote in the hotly contested state of CA? Saying Trump and Clinton are the same is dumb for sure, but I can see why him and many minorities don't really trust either political party, there's a long history of that
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Nov 10, 2016 16:19
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Gynecolojustice posted:He does a ton of work with Oakland area kids and is directly helping people so who cares if he didn't vote in the hotly contested state of CA? Saying Trump and Clinton are the same is dumb for sure, but I can see why him and many minorities don't really trust either political party, there's a long history of that Because it was more than voting for President
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Nov 10, 2016 16:22
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He probably doesn't care about condom laws or marijuana or whatever. It would be great if he was a perfect Activist who supported a variety of social issues equally, but it seems he is picking his battle (police brutality) and sticking to it.
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Nov 10, 2016 16:27
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Self disenfranchisement from voting is a wonderful lesson to teach kids. gently caress nuance and understanding that sometimes progress means keeping things where they're currently at rather than letting them slip, if there's no candidate that speaks 100% to what you want, don't vote kids. I agree with what he says and does re:BLM, but on voting and his views of politics, he's revealed himself a true dummy.
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Nov 10, 2016 16:33
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if you don't understand why black people in America think voting is useless than you are a loving fool. Not much else to say?
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Nov 10, 2016 16:37
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Gynecolojustice posted:if you don't understand why black people in America think voting is useless than you are a loving fool. Not much else to say? In a normal election, I completely understand it. But with Trump being as vocal about white identity politics as he has and being anti-BLM and for doubling down on stop and frisk at a national level, I'm truly at a loss of understanding. As a latino POC, I can't understand a single loving brown skinned latino's vote for Trump or choice to not vote this election.
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You're right, this was not a usual election and I do think he is dumb for saying the candidates are basically the same.
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Nov 10, 2016 16:52
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Gynecolojustice posted:if you don't understand why black people in America think voting is useless than you are a loving fool. Not much else to say? The most important politics are local. If you're positioning yourself as a political advocate and don't even vote on important local issues what does that really say about how serious you are?
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Yeah I agree, local politics is important and its a shame he didn't participate in it. He's still doing a ton for both awareness (his protest) and direct action (his camps for kids), so I'll cut him some slack for not being perfect! Saying he is not serious, because he didn't vote, is probably the wrong way to go. He seems very serious about addressing the issue of police brutality (and I do get how not voting can undermine that). It's possible he doesn't understand the importance of local politics, or the impact his non-vote may have on younger kids decisions to vote in the future. I don't understand the rush to knock him down a peg for not doing everything. I guess the search for a Perfect Activist continues.
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Gynecolojustice posted:Yeah I agree, local politics is important and its a shame he didn't participate in it. He's still doing a ton for both awareness (his protest) and direct action (his camps for kids), so I'll cut him some slack for not being perfect! I think his activities with the kid's and protesting to raise awareness have been spot on. I'm more disappointed that at a time when he has people paying attention, he basically wrote himself off with the "they're both the same" and "i didn't vote". For me, it's not about being a perfect activist, it's more avoiding making truly ignorant statements that are self-defeating.
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Nov 10, 2016 17:21
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Gynecolojustice posted:Yeah I agree, local politics is important and its a shame he didn't participate in it. He's still doing a ton for both awareness (his protest) and direct action (his camps for kids), so I'll cut him some slack for not being perfect! the rush to knock him down a peg for not doing "everything" is probably because voting is literally the least someone can do to be involved.
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Chilichimp posted:the rush to knock him down a peg for not doing "everything" is probably because voting is literally the least someone can do to be involved. Bitching about it online and via social media while not voting is probably literally the least someone can do to be involved.
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weird Asian candy posted:Bitching about it online and via social media while not voting is probably literally the least someone can do to be involved. I don't care that he specifically didn't vote. In general, I am continuously angry that only like 35% of eligible voters bother to do it, and of that 35%, a little under half (so 15-17%) elected a loving nightmare to be our leader. 17% of eligible voters just elected Donald Trump to be our president, and I don't even need to type anything else. It's literally Donald Trump in the White House come January.
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Chilichimp posted:I don't care that he specifically didn't vote. In general, I am continuously angry that only like 35% of eligible voters bother to do it, and of that 35%, a little under half (so 15-17%) elected a loving nightmare to be our leader. I hear you. I was kind of thinking out loud last night to my wife and said "I cannot believe Donald Trump is president of the US...how in the hell?" To your point though, I did not vote this election. I did not care for either candidate (I would have voted the Bern) and I didn't know enough about the independents to blindly throw a vote their way.
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To everyone who didn't like either Candidate, your silence goes to the majority, I guess. Or the electoral college, cuz lol, Clinton won the popular vote. You didn't literally vote for Trump, but you didn't do anything to stop him either. I'd rather you have bought into my point of view that Trump is a dangerous monster and voted for whoever needed to be voted for to keep him from the levers of power... but it's literally not your fault that the DNC nominated someone as nationally toxic as Hilary Clinton. I can't blame you, at least not more than I blame the DNC for failing to put up a candidate that would galvanize their base, the RNC for allowing a maniac to take over their convention, or the Trump voters who were duped into supporting a madman because of a letter next to his name. We're all culpable in this. Lets just hope that Mike "White Sharia" Pence doesn't convince trump to strike down all of the pro-LGBT executive orders that Obama penned, or that the now full-red congress doesn't immediately repeal the ACA without any plan to replace it, or that the undoubtedly super-conservative Justices (likely 2-3 of them) that Trump nominates won't roll back Roe vs Wade. All of that poo poo is possible (and a lot of it likely), because Trump supporters showed up to vote, and Democrats fuckin' didn't. All of that poo poo comes before the mass deportations, the camps to house illegals waiting to be process, the wall that will be constructed and bankrupt the government, the war in Syria when he promised to destroy ISIS, etc, etc, etc... assuming he follows through on any of his campaign promised (lol, I know, but we've got no idea what we're dealing with here.) Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Donald Trump is the oldest person ever to be elected President. Do you guys think he has the stamina to last all four years?weird Asian candy posted:Bitching about it online and via social media while not voting is probably literally the least someone can do to be involved.
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Gynecolojustice posted:Yeah I agree, local politics is important and its a shame he didn't participate in it. He's still doing a ton for both awareness (his protest) and direct action (his camps for kids), so I'll cut him some slack for not being perfect! A key component to being a political activist is to try to enact change. Right now Kaep is doing a great job raising public awareness, which is important, but if he wants his movement to continue and not fizzle out he needs to have plans to change things. I think it was in this thread that someone posted a story about how Kaep's movement will be a footnote in history if he doesn't have a direction for it. I don't know what the right answer is (I am of the opinion that real change doesn't come without the threat of a violent uprising) but when you're clearly painting yourself as a role model for youth you probably shouldn't discourage the one legal means of changing the system at their disposal. He is very serious about what he is doing, and that is good. I too agreed that both candidates suck. However there were two Propositions regarding the death penalty on the ballot in California and that, to me, is an extension of the state-sponsored brutality Kaep is fighting. His vote might not have made the difference, but the kids who look up to him will be voting soon. It would have been nice if he had encouraged that value in them, because at the moment I can't see how what Kaep has taught them will help them change their futures in any meaningful way.
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go go go go ROSCOE! posted:Donald Trump is the oldest person ever to be elected President. Do you guys think he has the stamina to last all four years? I hope so because the idea of Mike Pence as president scares the gently caress outta me. weird Asian candy posted:Bitching about it online and via social media while not voting is probably literally the least someone can do to be involved. Except you're not getting involved. Bitching about something and then not engaging yourself in the process that directly affects that something is nothing but white noise.
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Chichevache posted:A key component to being a political activist is to try to enact change. Right now Kaep is doing a great job raising public awareness, which is important, but if he wants his movement to continue and not fizzle out he needs to have plans to change things. I think it was in this thread that someone posted a story about how Kaep's movement will be a footnote in history if he doesn't have a direction for it. I don't know what the right answer is (I am of the opinion that real change doesn't come without the threat of a violent uprising) but when you're clearly painting yourself as a role model for youth you probably shouldn't discourage the one legal means of changing the system at their disposal. Kaep's a young dude who is trying his best. To expect him to have a plan to change things is expecting a lot. I appreciate that he is just getting involved in kids lives, and also putting his reputation/safety on the line by openly doing a peaceful protest that has so many people pissed off and red-faced with anger. It would be great if he had a concrete plan to combat police brutality, but really that is the job of our elected servants. And I do get that Kaep should help elect the right servants by voting. He should have paid attention to the issues on the ballot, and should have voted. But he is still doing a ton, a lot more than I am doing. I don't even really have a point I guess, because I am agreeing that he made a mistake by openly saying he didn't vote and doesn't care which candidate wins. But he's still a great guy for all the time, money, and energy he has spent on this, most of us don't even get close to that.
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