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"Love thy neighbor as thy love thyself." The Lord said there is no greater commandment than this, along with love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Remember this. Christ said he did not come into this world to save the virtuous, but to save sinners; whether you're overjoyed that Trump will Make America Great Again and angry at liberals for America losing its greatness, or whether you're horrified of what this perceived "greatness" was, remember this. "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."
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Moscow Mule posted:He goes on to say non-married people are still made in the image of God though, because even a monk or a non or a person who chooses to remain unmarried is the product of a sexual union between a man and a woman. But then again so is every LGBTQ person so...
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Tias posted:Remember to get active in local politics, politicians can't do anything to you you're willing to fight them for. Pellisworth posted:what the gently caress.
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Just spent about ten minutes broken down and praying.  I just don't understand how this could have happened. The next four to eight years are going to be awful, plus the long-lasting damage the GOP-controlled supreme court and congress will do. And the inevitable wars Trump will get us into, which have a real risk of going nuclear.I just don't understand.
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Nov 9, 2016 13:26
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Cythereal posted:Just spent about ten minutes broken down and praying. edit: i guarantee you that better people than either one of us have asked the same question you're asking at various moments in history. the people i study, despite their...uh...outstandingly visible failures as human beings...were braver than i am, and more loyal to their friends than i am, and capable of having happy lives even though they lived through misery we can barely imagine (given the state of child mortality in their society). these are all strengths and virtues. but they were not the center of the universe either, and then they died. the rain falls on the just and the unjust. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 13:28
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Cythereal posted:Just spent about ten minutes broken down and praying. Don't be afraid! I feel comfortable in saying that your prayers are answered. Trump may have won an election last night. He did not defeat God, and he did not jeopardize the plan of salvation, yours or mine. Tias posted:Hillary would probably have started a couple more wars, so I'm not really convinced we ended worse off, but he's definitely going down as the worst prez in history. Straight talk, thank you. The American presidency is a hegemonic title, and has been for longer than Trump has been an adult. Americans and non-Americans have come to expect the role to be at least part killer-in-chief. There are national sins that do indeed need washing; they are not trivial.
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Nov 9, 2016 13:47
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Regarding US foreign policy, my general take is 'gently caress you, Americans, gently caress every single last one of you, regardless of class, color, religion, sex, or race, do you have any loving idea how horribly you've been collectively loving over the world!?' but this election result is most cruelly punishing the people who contributed to this the least. I made a couple of posts in the election thread telling people not to kill themselves over this election, and that this isn't the end of the world. I threw out every immediate "don't" reason to maybe hopefully kick some of the "should I kill myself" people out of despair, just long enough for them to think despair instead of feel despair. That having been said, gently caress unjustified optimism. You know the opium of the people quote, right? "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." Let faith stop you from sinking, but don't let it comfort you so much that you don't try to struggle. Take a drat deep long look at what's around you. How you are going to suffer because of this. How many good people are going to suffer soon, and most importantly, why. Don't wishy washy it away. Make yourself see the racism that drove what happened, and the sum of petty FYGM selfishness that drove it, and the collapsing system that drove it. Realize that people doing this aren't just leaves in the wind, they're adult human beings fully capable of choosing what to do. Ask yourself, what could have been done to change what happened. Not now, during the vote. I mean, in all the years preceding it. What did you turn a blind eye on, what did you just think would go away if you hope it would? Don't just go "God will make it all work out somehow" - If God was going to make it all work out somehow, we'd be in Heaven. That having been said, once you've taken that deep long look, maybe consider the rest of the world for a second, as well.  I'm going to venture a guess that people who have the most right to be angry about the results of this election didn't have the right to vote in it, and that people aware of them are the only voice they'll ever get where you guys are.
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my dad posted:That having been said HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 14:39
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well i prayed to god for things to go well with this English guy i am seeing and now we agreed that we'll get married to get me out of the US so i am engaged now it was me, i did this
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Nov 9, 2016 14:53
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HEY GAL posted:they can kill me, Tias Jase, but you can kill them too. You're from a long line of pike-wielding bad asses, are you just going to sit there and take it?  HEY GAL posted:well i prayed to god for things to go well with this English guy i am seeing and now we agreed that we'll get married to get me out of the US so i am engaged now Congratulations!
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Nov 9, 2016 14:59
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HEY GAL posted:augh you make my eyelid twitch j/k i still love u friend, and love is important in these times which eyelid, this is important  +  +  + 
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Nov 9, 2016 15:12
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HEY GAL posted:well i prayed to god for things to go well with this English guy i am seeing and now we agreed that we'll get married to get me out of the US so i am engaged now Congratulations!
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Nov 9, 2016 15:47
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HEY GAL posted:well i prayed to god for things to go well with this English guy i am seeing and now we agreed that we'll get married to get me out of the US so i am engaged now Congrats! I'm glad at one thing positive came out of this!
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HEY GAL posted:well i prayed to god for things to go well with this English guy i am seeing and now we agreed that we'll get married to get me out of the US so i am engaged now Congratulations!
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Nov 9, 2016 16:07
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HEY GAL posted:well i prayed to god for things to go well with this English guy i am seeing and now we agreed that we'll get married to get me out of the US so i am engaged now Congrats HEGEL! I've been following US election news a bit over the past year, and what really disturbed me is the extremely negative view that each party's fans have of each other. I think my country is going in a similar direction, and that's pretty bad. The US will survive four years of Trump, but it's not a good sign that half the population seems to hate the other half. Love your neighbors even if they vote Trump, is what I'm saying.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:12
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pidan posted:I've been following US election news a bit over the past year, and what really disturbed me is the extremely negative view that each party's fans have of each other. I think my country is going in a similar direction, and that's pretty bad. The US will survive four years of Trump, but it's not a good sign that half the population seems to hate the other half. The issue here is that the neighbors are going to start showing up with burning crosses at some people's lawns.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:14
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my dad posted:The issue here is that the neighbors are going to start showing up with burning crosses at some people's lawns. I suppose if that were to happen to you, you would "turn the other cheek"?
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Nov 9, 2016 16:17
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my dad posted:The issue here is that the neighbors are going to start showing up with burning crosses at some people's lawns. That's exactly the kind of hyperbole I'm talking about. I know the Klu Klux Klan has endorsed Trump, but they have about 5000 members, and thus can't make up more than like 0.001% of Trump supporters. And well, people this extreme were going to commit hate crimes Trump or no Trump.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:27
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I suppose if that were to happen to you, you would "turn the other cheek"? Well, for one, I'm not black and not in US, so... But if you're asking about me personally, I tend to back down waaaay too much when faced with poo poo directed directly at me, and go berserk when I see friends facing dumb bullshit. And you are looking for a way to accuse me of being a false Christian because I quoted Marx a few posts above, and phrasing it in a way that doesn't require you to say it out loud. Which reminds me, what else was something that a lot of people thought but nobody was really saying out loud? pidan posted:That's exactly the kind of hyperbole I'm talking about. I know the Klu Klux Klan has endorsed Trump, but they have about 5000 members, and thus can't make up more than like 0.001% of Trump supporters. And well, people this extreme were going to commit hate crimes Trump or no Trump. I am just going to put forward that there is a subtle difference between "hates" and "would murder if getting away with it is possible" which I almost ended up experiencing on my own skin (the consequences aren't very subtle), and there's gonna be a lot of "getting away with it is possible" with Donald Trump running the US. my dad fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 16:29
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I suppose if that were to happen to you, you would "turn the other cheek"? Martyrdom is a legitimate and possible conclusion to any believer's mortal life. It is perfectly okay to wish for the cup to pass over you; it is appropriate to ask God to deliver you from evil. Uncounted numbers of people decide to follow a path of righteousness that leads them into harm's way. My prayers are with these people, especially when I'm not standing next to them as they catch hell.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:34
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pidan posted:Congrats HEGEL! For the sake of the country and its citizens, I hope Trump does a superb job. There's just nothing in his CV that suggests he will be in the slightest bit competent, however. His supporters supposedly wanted change. I don't think they're going to like the change he brings.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:37
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Caufman posted:Martyrdom is a legitimate and possible conclusion to any believer's mortal life. I don't disagree, but are you basically advocating for a Christianized Weather Underground?
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Nov 9, 2016 16:39
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I don't disagree, but are you basically advocating for a Christianized Weather Underground? I'll make the website
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I don't disagree, but are you basically advocating for a Christianized Weather Underground? I don't think so. I'm hoping it's just Christianity that I'm advocating. Deteriorata posted:For the sake of the country and its citizens, I hope Trump does a superb job. It did only take the Grinch an hour and a half to grow a heart, and maybe a little bit longer for those Wizard of Oz folks to get their required components. It's not expected for presidents to govern like they campaign, but I don't think anyone will blame me or anyone for being very watchful of executive abuses. Caufman fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 16:44
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Maybe when Trump learns all the Illuminati secrets after inauguration, he'll change his style. Seriously, though, have hope Amerigoons.
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personally my actual, factual plan for the next four years is to try and study japanese and either french or german (possibly both, since i only need to read it really) in order to study abroad in either japan, canada, or the uk. and since that will take 2-3 years i plan to keep an eye on local socialist and anarchist groups and take part in direct action events to protest the president and anything his republican controlled fuckfest plans on doing. and in two years i might just find myself volunteering to canvass my neighborhood to try and get out the midterm vote honestly i have no idea what to do other than this.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:53
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Mr Enderby posted:What do you do when you can't love your enemy? So this is from a little while back, but honestly I have been thinking and praying about it. It is recognized by theologians and by God that people do not love one another or themselves perfectly, and still it is important that we have this commandment in our hearts, so that we can love as fully as our hearts can. Often the most loving thing a person can manage is to wish a murderer to be incarcerated. Sometimes a situation is so critical and dynamic and life-and-death, we just wish for a perpetrator to have a quick death, and that is the most compassionate act that can be accomplished at the time. Foremost, there is a call and a need for love for the victims. As migrant sex workers, they were already a part of a vulnerable population. Without knowing, I can imagine the lack of love they suffered in their life. For those that miss them, they need love, too. If you've reached your limit contemplating love for the killer, there is plenty of welcome for compassion elsewhere. But also there are (and will always be) believers who are called or find themselves in a situation where they are trying to convey the love of Jesus to people who have done grave, terrible things. There are prison ministries, there are families and friends praying for members who've done unspeakable things, there are every day people who live under the possibility of death for a cause of love. In their attempts to do their personal missions, I believe God is with them.
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Clinton would have won if her or her team actually engaged in dialogue with the fractured Christian Right. I've never seen so many evangelical pastoral leaders denounce a Republican candidate before, but the evangelical voters all turned out in record numbers to vote for Trump anyway.
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HEY GAL posted:well i prayed to god for things to go well with this English guy i am seeing and now we agreed that we'll get married to get me out of the US so i am engaged now Hillary is wearing purple and black, so maybe she's into liturgical colors? e: She just quoted Galatians in her peroration: "And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not give up." Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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all this morning, i can't stop thinking of the old groaner "God sure does have a sense of humor". a couple of the times after thinking this, i have even chuckled a little i am on the skeptical side when it comes to the mystical power of prayer, and i still don't know how to even begin to articulate what i mean when i say that i believe in "God" or "a higher power". but i just said a genuine prayer right now for God to be with donald j trump, and to be with everyone in america. i pray that God be with everyone who is sad or scared. i pray that God be with everyone who is triumphant and feels the power of victory. and i especially pray that God be with those who feel that the anxiety or hate in their heart has now been validated. now on that last sentence, when i wrote it i was thinking about flaming crosses and mosques doused in pig blood. but after i typed it out, i realize it applies to me too. this election has in some ways grown the anxiety and fear in my heart about how many of my brothers and sisters in this country cling to prejudiced and hateful views of people based on things like gender, color, and religion. but if i grasp ever tighter to these fears of mine, i will probably just perpetuate this cycle of paranoia and anger. division will not heal division
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The Phlegmatist posted:Clinton would have won if her or her team actually engaged in dialogue with the fractured Christian Right. I've never seen so many evangelical pastoral leaders denounce a Republican candidate before, but the evangelical voters all turned out in record numbers to vote for Trump anyway. QFT Lutha Mahtin posted:all this morning, i can't stop thinking of the old groaner "God sure does have a sense of humor". a couple of the times after thinking this, i have even chuckled a little "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." I don't mean to pick on you Lutha but c'mon. This is the posting equivalent of an "I Voted" sticker.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:QFT people are allowed to reflect about their prayer life among friends in an attempt to sort themselves out, don't be a dick
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Nov 9, 2016 18:39
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The Phlegmatist posted:Clinton would have won if her or her team actually engaged in dialogue with the fractured Christian Right. I've never seen so many evangelical pastoral leaders denounce a Republican candidate before, but the evangelical voters all turned out in record numbers to vote for Trump anyway. Not in my experience. The Christian Right is generally Right first, Christian second. They were never going to vote for Hillary, they just needed to invent the proper justifications for voting Trump. Clinton would have won if more Democrats had simply shown up. Turnout was the lowest since 2000. Those that stayed home effectively elected Trump.
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Deteriorata posted:Not in my experience. The Christian Right is generally Right first, Christian second. Actually yes, I think I should re-qualify my "QFT" reaction: were Bernie's economic populism on the ticket instead of HRC's cronyism with the 'godless' east coast (which apparently in the end earned her nothing), Midwesterners, even if they were Christian in name only, would've been able to look past Bernie's pro-choice stances etc.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Actually yes, I think I should re-qualify my "QFT" reaction: were Bernie's economic populism on the ticket instead of HRC's cronyism with the 'godless' east coast (which apparently in the end earned her nothing), Midwesterners, even if they were Christian in name only, would've been able to look past Bernie's pro-choice stances etc. And my point is that no, they wouldn't. They'd just invent different reasons for hating Bernie.
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Deteriorata posted:And my point is that no, they wouldn't. They'd just invent different reasons for hating Bernie. Wouldn't have to look far, either. The American right's distrust for Jews runs very, very deep.
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Bel_Canto posted:Wouldn't have to look far, either. The American right's distrust for Jews runs very, very deep. Evangelicals love the Jews. Gotta rebuild the Temple to immanentize the eschaton, don'tcha know.
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Bel_Canto posted:Wouldn't have to look far, either. The American right's distrust for Jews runs very, very deep.
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Deteriorata posted:And my point is that no, they wouldn't. They'd just invent different reasons for hating Bernie. Because of Zionism? Give me a break.
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