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Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Laranzu posted:

Now it has a probability of making it all the way up though. Before they knew it didn't have a chance and nothing was needed behind it.

Healthcare reality changed. If they just straight repeal it, prices are still high and the systemic changes are still there. It wouldn't go over well at all with whatever part of their constituency gets hammered by unsubsidized costs and having coverage revoked..

Oh make no mistake, no one should seriously expect healthcare prices to come down.

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CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Did Donald give his acceptance speech screaming in fluent German wearing brown? He's already got the flailing arms and bad hair down.

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

fbi director rudy guliani

atty general chris christie

kill me now

Sarah The Retard in charge of the EPA just so she can shut it down and cost herself a job?

subterfudge posted:

This is the best nation on the planet. This is the best humanity can do.

To be fair, our humanity helped make the Kardashians, Duggars, Chrisleys, and Honey Boo Boo wealthy and rewarded Ryan Lochte for hopping the first plane back while his teammates spent time with the Rio police with a gig on Dancing With The Stars that paid nicely, so it's sadly fitting somehow.

e- :lol: there's a Required Monthly Test of the Ohio Emergency Alert System scrolling across the top of CNN right now in red. Give it a test run, boys!

CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Nov 9, 2016

bengy81
May 8, 2010
I wonder if they are going to televise Paul Ryan's execution?

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Anyone who thinks the ACA, Roe v. Wade and same sex marriage won't be repealed the second it's feasible next year is delusional. Hell, here in Australia, people said the same thing about the Mining Tax and the Carbon Pricing scheme, and that poo poo was dead the minute the incoming government had the opportunity to call a house vote. And they didn't even have the senate on lock. Then they went and repealed all the poo poo they promised not to.

I wish we could offer you a better life here down under, but unfortunately the alt-rights that pull the strings in our government just got one hell of a mandate to keep going, and they sure aren't fond of immigration.

Dingleberry
Aug 21, 2011
There's always 2020

Kanye and Kait ticket

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Don Dongington posted:

Anyone who thinks the ACA, Roe v. Wade and same sex marriage won't be repealed the second it's feasible next year is delusional. Hell, here in Australia, people said the same thing about the Mining Tax and the Carbon Pricing scheme, and that poo poo was dead the minute the incoming government had the opportunity to call a house vote. And they didn't even have the senate on lock. Then they went and repealed all the poo poo they promised not to.

I wish we could offer you a better life here down under, but unfortunately the alt-rights that pull the strings in our government just got one hell of a mandate to keep going, and they sure aren't fond of immigration.

this isn't an American problem, this is a Western Civilization problem

partly a reaction to global terrorism, partly a reaction to what some perceive as socialistic overreach, but whatever it is we're all sliding towards far right fascism

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016
oh yah gay marriage is going to be repealed

for which there is no law

because it is based on a SC ruling by essentially this court

at the federal level

because president

makes sense dudes glad everyone understands our government so well!

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon
Gay marriage is safe right up until RBG retires/dies. At which point the court will be insanely conservative and can do whatever the gently caress it wants.

In hindsight, Obama should have gone nuclear to get Garland confirmed.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

VikingSkull posted:

this isn't an American problem, this is a Western Civilization problem

partly a reaction to global terrorism, partly a reaction to what some perceive as socialistic overreach, but whatever it is we're all sliding towards far right fascism

Agreed. I guess your last election must have snuck in just before the hammer really dropped, but between the EU refugee crisis, ISIS enduring against all efforts, various events in France and what not, this probably should have been more obvious an outcome. I mean the Aus re-elected the right-lurching Liberal party despite horrific performance, the UK re-elected the Tories then Brexit, and extreme right wing parties have been making ground in Europe for years now. I guess Canada kicking Harper to the kerb gave us false confidence?

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

milk milk lemonade posted:

oh yah gay marriage is going to be repealed

for which there is no law

because it is based on a SC ruling by essentially this court

at the federal level

because president

makes sense dudes glad everyone understands our government so well!

turns out you don't either :toot:

it isn't overnight but please believe a bullshit "religious freedom" laws will come down the pipeline. It'll be chipped away at like abortion. If you can't get married because your county clerk won't issue won't issue you a license based on religious ground congrats your same sex marriage is defacto banned.

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


Pork Pro

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

My best friend's biracial children were afraid to go to school today. They're worried that their dad is going to be deported. I wouldn't necessarily brush this off.

I would argue that it's more your friend's fault for teaching his kids that the government works in that way and to have such little faith in their peers. Fact is this is America, good, bad and indifferent we're all people who share similar experiences while not always having the same outlook on them. Doom and gloom is not the way to handle this and these little meltdowns and panic attacks won't make a drat thing better. I'd advise telling your kids, if they are so worried, "Daddy will be fine, mommy will be fine, the president can't take away kickball or icecream so go to school." I know it seems sappy coming from a straight white guy with a good job and family land, but the source doesn't change the reality. A lot of the left's problems are very much PR ones right now, if you want to win the midterms and the next election after that, you're gonna need to stiffen the upper lip, engage in good faith and work WITH the people you might not agree with to show them you're no different than they are. By blaming this poo poo on them all you'll do is strengthen the divide and further remove your own support from the middle ground that you so desperately need.

There's more to government than the president, congress and the senate, there's human beings with the ability to make exceptions, to work on the edge of the rule book and instigate change from lower levels up. Just like was said to Bernie supporters, no president can create top-down change with unilateral ability. Deep breaths guys, you're gonna be ok.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!

Booblord Zagats posted:

I would argue that it's more your friend's fault for teaching his kids that the government works in that way and to have such little faith in their peers. Fact is this is America, good, bad and indifferent we're all people who share similar experiences while not always having the same outlook on them. Doom and gloom is not the way to handle this and these little meltdowns and panic attacks won't make a drat thing better. I'd advise telling your kids, if they are so worried, "Daddy will be fine, mommy will be fine, the president can't take away kickball or icecream so go to school." I know it seems sappy coming from a straight white guy with a good job and family land, but the source doesn't change the reality. A lot of the left's problems are very much PR ones right now, if you want to win the midterms and the next election after that, you're gonna need to stiffen the upper lip, engage in good faith and work WITH the people you might not agree with to show them you're no different than they are. By blaming this poo poo on them all you'll do is strengthen the divide and further remove your own support from the middle ground that you so desperately need.

There's more to government than the president, congress and the senate, there's human beings with the ability to make exceptions, to work on the edge of the rule book and instigate change from lower levels up. Just like was said to Bernie supporters, no president can create top-down change with unilateral ability. Deep breaths guys, you're gonna be ok.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Booblord Zagats posted:

I would argue that it's more your friend's fault for teaching his kids that the government works in that way and to have such little faith in their peers. Fact is this is America, good, bad and indifferent we're all people who share similar experiences while not always having the same outlook on them. Doom and gloom is not the way to handle this and these little meltdowns and panic attacks won't make a drat thing better. I'd advise telling your kids, if they are so worried, "Daddy will be fine, mommy will be fine, the president can't take away kickball or icecream so go to school." I know it seems sappy coming from a straight white guy with a good job and family land, but the source doesn't change the reality. A lot of the left's problems are very much PR ones right now, if you want to win the midterms and the next election after that, you're gonna need to stiffen the upper lip, engage in good faith and work WITH the people you might not agree with to show them you're no different than they are. By blaming this poo poo on them all you'll do is strengthen the divide and further remove your own support from the middle ground that you so desperately need.

There's more to government than the president, congress and the senate, there's human beings with the ability to make exceptions, to work on the edge of the rule book and instigate change from lower levels up. Just like was said to Bernie supporters, no president can create top-down change with unilateral ability. Deep breaths guys, you're gonna be ok.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon

Booblord Zagats posted:

There's more to government than the president, congress and the senate, there's human beings with the ability to make exceptions, to work on the edge of the rule book and instigate change from lower levels up. Just like was said to Bernie supporters, no president can create top-down change with unilateral ability. Deep breaths guys, you're gonna be ok.

Is this math you do as a liberal to make yourself feel better?


Every single lever of government has just fallen into the hands of a party that made "drain the swamp" a key policy plank. There is no positive way to read this other than "this country has survived worse". And it has. But it sounds a bit like a cancer survivor trying to psyche himself up after receiving a new, terrible diagnosis.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
i mostly feel bad for nonwhites

ya'll ever try walking around with a woman in a headscarf?

(it's bad)

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002
Edit: hungover. Pretend Vengarrs quote is here.

It's really easy to be blustery and turbo retarded when you know it will go nowhere. It panders to your audiences but can't hurt anything.

Wait to see if it continues as excitedly as before. It might. Might not.

Trump did a lot of damage to the relationship with Congress. If they don't all drop right back into line, and have vendettas, it could slow the dumb poo poo significantly.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Booblord Zagats posted:

There's more to government than the president, congress and the senate, there's human beings with the ability to make exceptions, to work on the edge of the rule book and instigate change from lower levels up. Just like was said to Bernie supporters, no president can create top-down change with unilateral ability. Deep breaths guys, you're gonna be ok.

GOP took the House and Senate. And gets the next two Supreme Court picks at least.

All the checks and balances? They have them.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
RBG is going to have to go full on vampire mode and hire whoever the gently caress keeps Cheney alive. She's got to make it to 2024 and :lol: at that.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

CommieGIR posted:

GOP took the House and Senate. And gets the next two Supreme Court picks at least.

All the checks and balances? They have them.

This. The republican agenda has a rubber stamp and their only constituency is rich white people. The can and will continue to poo poo in the mouths of the people that elected them. Rural america didn't just suddenly go to poo poo in the last 8 years.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

Republicans just grabbed Lady Liberty by the pussy.

And they have a deathgrip.

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

turns out you don't either :toot:

it isn't overnight but please believe a bullshit "religious freedom" laws will come down the pipeline. It'll be chipped away at like abortion. If you can't get married because your county clerk won't issue won't issue you a license based on religious ground congrats your same sex marriage is defacto banned.

I don't understand your made up scenario? It's a lot more complicated than you're making it seem.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

milk milk lemonade posted:

I don't understand your made up scenario? It's a lot more complicated than you're making it seem.

Made up scenario? This poo poo has already happened before you dumbass.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/same-sex-marriage-kentucky-kim-davis.html

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

SperginMcBadposter posted:

Made up scenario? This poo poo has already happened before you dumbass.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/same-sex-marriage-kentucky-kim-davis.html

Oh yah you're right I forgot that time a president waved a wand and Made A Thing I Don't Like Happen. Some inbred Kentucky clerk not signing papers definitely rises to that level

Quit hyperventilating you babies

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

The religious freedom laws bit has already happened before too
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/us/religious-freedom-laws-why-now/

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

jeb actually has an understand of how a government functions.

I'm planning on keeping this thread open for a few days for a post-mortem/reflection.

Jeb...Jeb was probably one of the best candidates. :gonk:

Edit: Jesus Christ, why are people unloading all their election-season hatred into their kids? What the gently caress?

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
The big college in my town has a bunch of people spray painting "build the wall" on things. And a couple people have been attacked.*

* speculation about the attacks. But the graffiti has definitely happened.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Mr. Nice! posted:

Had they actually voted this would have been a landslide for clinton. Instead the ones that did protest voted third party and actually cost Clinton a number of states.

Bullshit. Initial indications are that voter turnout was up by almost 5% over 2012, and Hillary won the popular vote by roughly 100,000. They DID turn out to vote. The problem is, a lot of other people did too.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

turns out you don't either :toot:

it isn't overnight but please believe a bullshit "religious freedom" laws will come down the pipeline. It'll be chipped away at like abortion. If you can't get married because your county clerk won't issue won't issue you a license based on religious ground congrats your same sex marriage is defacto banned.

Why do I feel like we've had almost this exact same conversation except with a 3 letter word that starts with g (which I don't want to actually say because my GOD THE DERAILS)

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?



Oh, word?

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Godholio posted:

Bullshit. Initial indications are that voter turnout was up by almost 5% over 2012, and Hillary won the popular vote by roughly 100,000. They DID turn out to vote. The problem is, a lot of other people did too.

Five percent.


Cheeto Hitler runs for president and FIVE. PERCENT. more people leave their homes to vote than in 2012?


loving :lol:

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012




Lmao

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon

milk milk lemonade posted:

Oh yah you're right I forgot that time a president waved a wand and Made A Thing I Don't Like Happen

Remember all the Terri Schiavo bullshit, where Bush and co. turned the Constitution into origami trying to keep a vegetable hydrated? And the only thing that stopped them was the Supreme Court?

Well, they're gonna have the Court too.

e: No one remembers Terri Schiavo. I only was reminded of it because I had to read a bunch of newspapers circa-2005 for my job. You should look it up, it was a real fun clusterfuck.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Five percent.


Cheeto Hitler runs for president and FIVE. PERCENT. more people leave their homes to vote than in 2012?


loving :lol:

Well, that's about where it was in 2008. '12 saw about a 5% drop, '16 saw a 5% increase. I think it's safe to say that's as much as the Dems can muster until they start going after some of the people that feel poo poo on by all the overly cheerful economic proclamations wondering where the recovery's actually happening.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Untagged
Mar 29, 2004

Hey, does your planet have wiper fluid yet or you gonna freak out and start worshiping us?
Still waiting for Hillary concession speech. Over two hours late now at this point. What else does she have to do today.




edit OH THERE WE GO

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


Pork Pro

CommieGIR posted:

GOP took the House and Senate. And gets the next two Supreme Court picks at least.

All the checks and balances? They have them.

They don't have that many federal judges or the 2/3rds majority to fast track poo poo. The Dems still have a ton of tools and an election coming up in 2 years to take back either or both. This bemoaning of freedom lost is the same as the right when they start bulk purchasing Mosins and poo poo and won't do anything but alienate the left further. Be citizens, not social media poo poo posters

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Booblord Zagats posted:

They don't have that many federal judges or the 2/3rds majority to fast track poo poo. The Dems still have a ton of tools and an election coming up in 2 years to take back either or both. This bemoaning of freedom lost is the same as the right when they start bulk purchasing Mosins and poo poo and won't do anything but alienate the left further. Be citizens, not social media poo poo posters

You're kidding yourself if you think this is suddenly going to turn on its head against Trump at this rate.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Tim Kaine the daddest of dads.

Professor Bling
Nov 12, 2008

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Booblord Zagats posted:

They don't have that many federal judges or the 2/3rds majority to fast track poo poo. The Dems still have a ton of tools and an election coming up in 2 years to take back either or both. This bemoaning of freedom lost is the same as the right when they start bulk purchasing Mosins and poo poo and won't do anything but alienate the left further. Be citizens, not social media poo poo posters

Maybe be both for a day or two first, but then mainly be citizens, yeah.

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milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

Booblord Zagats posted:

They don't have that many federal judges or the 2/3rds majority to fast track poo poo. The Dems still have a ton of tools and an election coming up in 2 years to take back either or both. This bemoaning of freedom lost is the same as the right when they start bulk purchasing Mosins and poo poo and won't do anything but alienate the left further. Be citizens, not social media poo poo posters

loving Christ this. It's as bad as "Obummers gonna take our guns!!!" Yes Trump is a huge troglodyte. It is disorientating that he is going to be our president. But he is going to have difficulty getting his arms around this because he isn't a career politician. He is almost assuredly going to be plagued by scandal and unlike last time the Dems aren't going to be cowed in acquiescence by "bbbbbut 9/11!!!" Just take a deep breath and chill. He might even be trolling the poo poo out of Republicans and just won the presidency by accident. This might be the most meta, ironic presidency of all time.

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