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I wrote the following on facebook when a highschool mate made a "nothing will change, don't worry" themed post (even though he was very anti trump). Anyway here is the thing I wrote with a few touchups Thing is it's not trump that's going to do the real damage. He wants to be president but he has no interest in doing the work of president. He'll give us Nixon levels of abuse of power, he'll influence the national dialogue w.r.t. women, minorities and immigrants to the point where a lot of heinous poo poo will pass as popular opinion. Nevermind the shape our foreign policy will take. But now on top of that, with congress the way it is, we will see 2 years, likely 4, of Paul Ryan and Mike "conversion therapy" Pence streamlining legislation through.
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OAquinas posted:Counterpoint: Kansas is an unredeemable shithole that's cut their education and infrastructure maintenance to the bone, then started breaking and removing bones. Brownback and his cronies still get reelected comfortably. I just fully realized that soon this entire country will be like Kansas and Oklahoma. My god we are doomed.
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DeathSandwich posted:We were saying this exact same thing about Republicans and W. Bush back in 2008? The GOP seems to have bounced back well enough from that crushing defeat then. The Democrats will bounce back in time. By the time the Dems are competitive again in 2024 the damage will be done.
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That Italian Guy posted:Hope it will work out better for you guys, for everyone's sake: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/20/donald-trump-silvio-berlusconi-italy-prime-minister Trump having coke-fueled orgies with underage escorts would be the icing on the cake tbh
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Imagine if there were two Republicans who cared more about the country's well being than keeping their jobs. You'll need 3, and lol at surviving Dear Leaders wrath.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:20
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rudatron posted:It's what i think about you, dipshit. gently caress off, Rudatron. Nobody was magically turned into a loving bigot because of these forums, and especially not in the huge margins Trump pulled down. That cancer has been there all along, Trump just legitimized it for the first time in a long time and now they're brave enough to be open about it again. So you can take your sanctimonious schtick and shove it right up your smug rear end in a top hat.
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paranoid randroid posted:i predicted a while ago that rudatron would go hard reactionary, and im glad to see him making good progress along that path To think, there was a time like 8 years ago when I considered Rudy to be one of the more reasonable Republicans out there
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Sylink posted:They don't mostly, the message is wrong. They aren't going to jerk off over policy, you have to phrase and market to them in terms they understand. There's no way to frame realistic policy in the terms of "bring everything back to 1950" that these people want to hear.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:21
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Sylink posted:Bumwillickers Smith the 4th isn't going to college at 36 after the auto plant shut down, ok. And he's likely going to vote R again in 8 years...even after a Republican federal government hasn't replaced that auto plant.
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DeathSandwich posted:We were saying this exact same thing about Republicans and W. Bush back in 2008? The GOP seems to have bounced back well enough from that crushing defeat then. The Democrats will bounce back in time. Have they? All their gains in the house and senate produced almost nothing. The only thing they could agree on was opposing the ACA, and haven't even bothered coming up with a replacement for it. There are no competent politicians in the house, and all they've managed to do is devour each other. The business wing is in complete tatters. The president elect is likely going to go on some kind of purge against graham and Ryan. I'm mean sure maybe it's all going to be mike pence but it looks more like to me the GOP as we know it is dead and what's left is something else entirely.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:22
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Radish posted:I'm curious what's going to happen when they try and roll out making abortion illegal nationwide. The only moral abortion is my abortion
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Nov 9, 2016 18:23
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Doctor Butts posted:No. gently caress that. You're either too ignorant or too young to have grown up under 8 loving years of the Bush administration being a liberal and being called anti-american and communist for just having different opinions. They never once tried to win anyone over, and we all suffered for it. I remember the anti-war protesters being called anti-American traitors by literally everyone including Democrats that wanted to be seen as tough on terror. Then when they were right and the war was sold on a lie it was too late but there was no apology. There will be absolutely no attempt from the Republicans now in power to do anything for left leaning people. Acting like if Democrats reach out they will be met halfway is stupid and naive. Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The only moral abortion is my abortion Gonna suck for Whitey McChristian when she can't go across state lines because she made abortion illegal in her state but not the one over when it's gone nationwide. The rich can leave the country for a "vacation" but most Republicans can't do that so easily. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Imagine if there were two Republicans who cared more about the country's well being than keeping their jobs. Lisa Murkowski's still around and Not Insane, right? Anyone else?
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Circutron posted:What did we get last night that was better? I know weed got legalized in a lot of states, but... Arizona got rid of Arpio. Only took him having a criminal loving case pending. Also wasting tons of our tax money on lawsuits and courts. And being old as gently caress.(84)
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:How the gently caress are you supposed to listen, understand, and convincingly retort when they're just screaming at you about immigrants? Arguments are rarely won in the heat of the moment. If it's actually important to you to convince someone, remain calm, make your points, be respectful, and give someone something to think about later on. Learn rhetoric and logic--the actual forms and theories on it. They're not convincing you by yelling at you, are they? A low threshold for being offended is a good way to never actually talk to anyone. People come from a whole loving path, man, and they were fine before you got there.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:23
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:How the gently caress are you supposed to listen, understand, and convincingly retort when they're just screaming at you about immigrants? Yeah, that's totally what everybody is like, screaming 99% of the time.
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FizFashizzle posted:Have they? They dug deep and found that racism and nationalism was a pretty good thing, actually. And every GOP legislator bent the knee and agreed. I'm legit worried they go full norsefire
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Nov 9, 2016 18:24
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Bhaal posted:I wrote the following on facebook when a highschool mate made a "nothing will change, don't worry" themed post (even though he was very anti trump). Anyway here is the thing I wrote with a few touchups Lets also be clear here, most if not all of the ire at LGBT people is going to hit Trans people. Sure there will probably be another anti-gay hate crime in a rural area that gains national attention, but that was going to happen anyway. What's going to suck is the entire power of the Federal and GOP controlled governments coming down on trans people, especially trans POC.
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"Hey guys let's try to engage and help conservatives understand our policies and how they help everyone while they circle the loving wagons once again and turn every synonym of liberal into a dirty word and turn the country into a regressive shithole 3rd world country I mean, if they just understood us..." Give me a loving break with that poo poo.
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"I wish to win the elections... But I'm scared of people, sometimes they can be mean to me or have opinions I don't agree with  Better hope if I stand in the corner, somebody will notice me."
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Nov 9, 2016 18:25
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah because he promised them the nice paying factory shop jobs back. Well I have a news flash, their not coming back and their wallmart jobs will die when the recession hits. Now who do you think they'll blame? Oh yes the guy who is in power when they lost their jobs. Keep calling the people who voted for trump evil and stupid It's worked for you so far 
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Captain Magic posted:Arguments are rarely won in the heat of the moment. If it's actually important to you to convince someone, remain calm, make your points, be respectful, and give someone something to think about later on. Learn rhetoric and logic--the actual forms and theories on it. If facts and rational thinking entered into the equation, we wouldn't be at this point. You're operating from the viewpoint that these people aren't at the level of scared animals. Liberals have tried the "just talk to people and respect them" before, and it didn't matter. Fear motivates.
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Doctor Butts posted:"Hey guys let's try to engage and help conservatives understand our policies and how they help everyone while they circle the loving wagons once again and turn every synonym of liberal into a dirty word" I'll give you a break when you show me where liberals engaged with conservatives. Was it when the DNC nominated someone that conservatives had run a party platform of hatred towards for a generation?
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Glazier posted:Lets also be clear here, most if not all of the ire at LGBT people is going to hit Trans people. Sure there will probably be another anti-gay hate crime in a rural area that gains national attention, but that was going to happen anyway. What's going to suck is the entire power of the Federal and GOP controlled governments coming down on trans people, especially trans POC. The anti trans laws were shot down in North Carolina last night, and mcrory was voted out as governor. Last year Georgia bailed on theirs after delta, sales force, and the film industry threatened to gently caress off. I don't really think blatant homo or trans phobia really flies anymore outside of Facebook memes and chain emails.
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Doctor Butts posted:"Hey guys let's try to engage and help conservatives understand our policies and how they help everyone while they circle the loving wagons once again and turn every synonym of liberal into a dirty word and turn the country into a regressive shithole 3rd world country So resign on politics, close the shop and just hope somebody remembers to write your name in the next time?
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Lightning Knight posted:You. Can. Not. Appeal. To. A. Coalition. Built. On. Racism. Without. Being. Racist. Let's take a look at identity politics for a moment. Can you translate this article into something that a 45 year old white guy with a high school education who worked at a canning manufacturing plant, as a bus driver, and QC for an autoparts manufacturer can understand? http://www.autostraddle.com/we-messed-up-348709/ quote:After we published the review, we heard from Latinx readers who believe the portrayal of Salma Hayek’s taco was racist and that it reinforced harmful stereotypes. We heard from readers who were upset that we labeled the taco a lesbian when it seems more likely that she was bisexual. We heard from readers who questioned the consent of the sexual encounter between the taco and the hot dog bun. We heard from readers who found the taco to be a damaging portrayal of a predatory queer woman. Of course not. It's bound up in so much identity politics and virtue signalling that any attempt to translate it into terminology that could be understood by someone not inside the group ("Some folks were upset that the movie about gay hispanic food wasn't reviewed by gay hispanic people") isn't going to see what the big deal is. People get made fun of all the time, so what are the bellyaching about? And this year, each side blew its horn really, really loud. Trump appealed not only to white supremacists and fascists, but folks who wanted to see those ivory tower jerks who make fun of them constantly taken down a peg. I'm reading an exchange on Facebook right now between two of my friends, and the one who's a liberal arts professor (PhD American History) cannot understand why the other (who is an unemployed MA in philosophy) would get offended that she's said he doesn't give a gently caress about minorities or anyone but himself, that's he's blind to the consequences of things, and has the political views of an old man because he'll be fine as a result of the election, and she just cannot understand why people would find this to be alienating, insulting, and Othering. Am I happy about the results of the election? gently caress no. Do I think anyone is going to learn the right lessons from it? Certainly not. We're still going to chide people for their privilege and try to shame them into voting for the candidate that will make their lives better, rather than the one who promises them everything, including self-respect. Toph Bei Fong fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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steinrokkan posted:"I wish to win the elections... But I'm scared of people, sometimes they can be mean to me or have opinions I don't agree with I love how quick leftists are to minimize racism. "Oh they just don't agree with us, why are you so close-minded?" The realization we will have over the course of the next two years how actually hosed we are will be fascinating to see unfold.
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I'm glad marijuana's been legalized. We're going to need a lot of it in the coming months to stay calm.
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My Linux Rig posted:Keep calling the people who voted for trump evil and stupid The white american population isn't growing as fast as everyone else. I'll stick to calling white people out on being god awful while us PoC slowly take over and fix y'alls messes. You can thank us later.
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jwang posted:I'm glad marijuana's been legalized. We're going to need a lot of it in the coming months to stay calm. Don't worry, Republicans will fix that right quick.
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FourLeaf posted:I just fully realized that soon this entire country will be like Kansas and Oklahoma. My god we are doomed. Good. We need to let things burn good to grow good.
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Lightning Knight posted:I love how quick leftists are to minimize racism. It's amazing how quick some people are to assume that just because somebody disagrees with them, they must be totes hosed up in the head, and probably irrevocably so, and the more charged insults you pile on top of them, the more likely you are to expose their hidden monstrosity to others.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:The white american population isn't growing as fast as everyone else. I'll stick to calling white people out on being god awful while us PoC slowly take over and fix y'alls messes. You can thank us later. Lol get ready to lose in 2020. 4 more years 
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FizFashizzle posted:The anti trans laws were shot down in North Carolina last night, and mcrory was voted out as governor. Last year Georgia bailed on theirs after delta, sales force, and the film industry threatened to gently caress off. That was in a climate where the Administration and SCOTUS were ushering in a new age of civil rights. Now...
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My Linux Rig posted:Lol get ready to lose in 2020. 4 more years Demographics is inherently long game, dude. Black people have lived through poo poo before, we'll live through this poo poo as well. See you in 2040 provided you don't die from the lack of some basic care robbed from us by white people's staggering stupidity.
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Captain Magic posted:I'll give you a break when you show me where liberals engaged with conservatives. Was it when the DNC nominated someone that conservatives had run a party platform of hatred towards for a generation? Oh, I didn't know coddling diseased conservative minds for Democratic votes included nominating Democrats who can't even carry their own party. My bad. I guess liberals just have to sell out everything, including liberalism, just so we can maybe one day get conservatives to vote for us!
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:If facts and rational thinking entered into the equation, we wouldn't be at this point. You're operating from the viewpoint that these people aren't at the level of scared animals. I disagree. It worked really well up until the eighties when Dems rapidly ran away from the working class. Part of talking to people and understanding their fears is actually altering policies and candidates based on these things, and the Democrats failed to do this in a good enough fashion. I'm an actual liberal so I have baseline respect and goodwill towards people and genuinely wish them well, and believe that other humans are deserving of the dignity not to be referred to in large swaths as thoughtless animals. They are scared people and deserve respect. Hating them is self-harmful.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Demographics is inherently long game, dude. Black people have lived through poo poo before, we'll live through this poo poo as well. See you in 2040 provided you don't die from the lack of some basic care robbed from us by white people's pig stupidity. lol seek help
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Toph Bei Fong posted:Let's take a look at identity politics for a moment. Look I don't like the "yeah gently caress the rural poor" crowd. I don't like that we just let a bunch of people languish in poverty for no reason. What I want to know is, who is going to run who will connect with these people? Remember we can't get them to vote downballot, even Obama 2.0. will fail because there won't be congressional support for them. "Ivory tower elitist" is a stupid dog whistle for "people who dare to be more educated than me" and if these people really care more about making GBS threads on educated people and immigrants than bettering their lives what do we do about that? We had the. Greatest. Campaigner. In. Our. Lifetimes and he couldn't do it. Who the gently caress else will save America from its own stupidity?
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Glazier posted:That was in a climate where the Administration and SCOTUS were ushering in a new age of civil rights. Now... Doesn't matter. The business backlash in North Carolina and the threat of it in Georgia was enough. Doesn't matter how regressive national politics get. Employees aren't going back into the closet, and companies need qualified people. If states are going to make their lives hell, companies will lean on them like Georgia, or money will flee like North Carolina.
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