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steinrokkan posted:The more reason to begin yesterday. And if you can't do anything at all, you should try to look like you're doing something (this is Earth's current approach.)
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steinrokkan posted:The more reason to begin yesterday. I mean global warming is special because we're out of time to fix it. If global warming didn't exist I wouldn't be so sad about this election.
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I wonder when the Hillary Trials will begin....
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Nelson Mandingo posted:While I am extremely disappointed in the Trump win, I actually am sort of proud of America honestly. Establishment, markets, wallstreet, and all the other monied interests were rooting for a Clinton win. She outspent him 15 to 1. And that didn't happen. Bravo. I know you didn't but if I was American, I would have voted for Trump exactly for these reasons. These people have lorded over us all for too long and completely unchecked. It's time to push back. And hard.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:As far as I'm aware, I'm not sure he can end the war on coal. Best I can tell most of the stuff he promised is unfeasible.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:If Rudy Guillianni is appointed to a major cabinet position, I swear... He's gonna be AG
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Dr. VooDoo posted:That's where the danger lies. Trump already has a strongman personality cult to his die hard followers. As poo poo gets steadily worse it won't be strongman Trump failing it'll be traitorous elements in society holding him back and holding back America becoming great again. Maybe we'll see the HUAC come back in a bigly way to weed out the undesirables holding back Trump's glorious great America (it'll just be coincidence all those investigated happen to be in the GOPs way) Yeah this has been the point I've been making today. Let his policies play out, hold his feet to the fire on the wall, ACA, deporting millions of people, building poo poo. He's said enough to fill a book with promises. At least we get to watch the goalposts move, and that's not a bad thing necessarily except the people who actively voted against their own best interests will find a million ways to blame everyone else for whatever goes wrong.
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AMLOVINIT posted:Bravo. I know you didn't but if I was American, I would have voted for Trump exactly for these reasons.
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Trabisnikof posted:I wonder when the Hillary Trials will begin.... Think it'll actually happen? Now that she isn't "the enemy" he doesn't seem to give a gently caress anymore
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Squashing Machine posted:Salon: Does Somethingawful.com Have a Racist Moderation Problem? We Won't Come Out and Say It, But We'll Ask the Question in a Way That Implies That They Do Sorry that wasn't explicit enough. The moderators in D&D aren't full on KKK members or anything, but they very clearly care more about not pissing off angry white posters than about treating minority posters fairly.
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I thought that Flynn couldn't be SecDef due to not having been retired long enough. Or am I thinking about someone else?
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greatn posted:Even Pence I have no idea how anyone could ever make coal a viable business model again. It'll certainly never be a big employment business again, the switch to strip mines etc has taken care of that. But yeah, there's already too much that's already converted over to the natural gas for coal to stand a chance, barring something coming up like the natural gas sources running dry. Natural gas' only likely way to get hurt would be crackdowns on environmental regulation but that ain't happening.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:I thought that Flynn couldn't be SecDef due to not having been retired long enough. Or am I thinking about someone else? He'll get a congressional waiver. That's right kids, the dumbest general in America is going to be SecDef. I'm so sorry for soldiers of color or who are LGBT.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:What's scary to me is that these folks aren't unintelligent. They have jobs (some of them very high paying & lofty positions). They seem like normal folks who would have normal, maybe even centrist, positions. But the mere mention of anything Democrat brings out Alex Jones-esque volumes of bile & falsehoods. One thing to understand is that no one is really ideologically a "centrist." People want the status quo to continue when they feel that things are going well for them and they hold more extreme views (one way or the other) when they feel that things need to change.
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Fojar38 posted:Think it'll actually happen? Now that she isn't "the enemy" he doesn't seem to give a gently caress anymore Yeah all the rhetoric has fallen away, his victory speech was what I expect from a candidate. It would be mind-blowing if all that was actually theater and he turns out to be a bog standard Republican president.
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Main Paineframe posted:The "you must live among them & find common ground" argument is crap, honestly. Look at how much "being nice to people and demographics who didn't support him" Trump did! All I can see in that argument is a clear double standard, where the right can be openly insulting against racial minorities, religious minorities, women, and LBGTs with basically no penalties or reprecussions...but the left are awful people if they dare to be anything less than one hundred percent in tune with the needs of uneducated white males. Yeah, this double standard is called having a moral high ground. Or, if you are not interested in that, you should still recognize who the majority of population is, and that the white male concerns are becoming general concerns the more any minority becomes relatively economically successful.
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steinrokkan posted:The common energy is hatred. It's up to politicians to channel it towards some particular object. That sure doesn't sound like the inherent goodness of people you were talking about earlier
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Fojar38 posted:Think it'll actually happen? Now that she isn't "the enemy" he doesn't seem to give a gently caress anymore I doubt he honestly really cares. I'm curious if his idiot supporters are going to lose interest or try and hold him to it.
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I feel like as long as our NATO allies provide president Trump luxury accommodations and flattery and girls he'll be fine with them.
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Main Paineframe posted:The "you must live among them & find common ground" argument is crap, honestly. Look at how much "being nice to people and demographics who didn't support him" Trump did! All I can see in that argument is a clear double standard, where the right can be openly insulting against racial minorities, religious minorities, women, and LBGTs with basically no penalties or reprecussions...but the left are awful people if they dare to be anything less than one hundred percent in tune with the needs of uneducated white males. Then we're lost. Absolve yourself of all responsibility, there's no point in trying to change minds because there are no minds to change. Also, this continued line about the evils of the uneducated is exactly why we get accused of being elitist.
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, this double standard is called having a moral high ground. The leftist moral high ground: white straight men matter more than everyone else, abandon all principles hoping they vote for you and cry when they vote R anyway l m a o
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Is there someplace I missed where Trump isn't the living loving embodiment of "monied interests"? He's a (alleged) billionaire with a long history of outsourcing his labor and generally loving over anybody who does business with him. He'll be all too happy to exploit the working class as ruthlessly as any other corporate entity.
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greatn posted:I feel like as long as our NATO allies provide president Trump luxury accommodations and flattery and girls he'll be fine with them. Poland is offering 5 gold per turn and horse for an alliance; Accept?
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Squashing Machine posted:Then we're lost. Absolve yourself of all responsibility, there's no point in trying to change minds because there are no minds to change. No you get accused of being elitist for daring to use facts to back up your argument
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Lessail posted:That sure doesn't sound like the inherent goodness of people you were talking about earlier Hatred is simply a state of elevated dissatisfaction over an imperfection in things. It is perfectly fine as long as it is aimed at something that is truly imperfect, and not against some illusion.
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Glazier posted:Yeah all the rhetoric has fallen away, his victory speech was what I expect from a candidate. It would be mind-blowing if all that was actually theater and he turns out to be a bog standard Republican president. I am really really really hoping he's a bog standard republican president because that's the best case scenario going forward. I was expecting his victory speech to be far more triumphalist and douchebaggy
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deadly_pudding posted:Is there someplace I missed where Trump isn't the living loving embodiment of "monied interests"? He's a (alleged) billionaire with a long history of outsourcing his labor and generally loving over anybody who does business with him. He'll be all too happy to exploit the working class as ruthlessly as any other corporate entity. No but you see he's the blue collar billionaire who really connects to the working people and is totally an outsider to New York power brokers. IT'S BECAUSE HE'S RACIST
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Apraxin posted:Also, what the hell is gonna happen to the GOP if he actually tries to follow through on his promises? Even most of the congresspeople who openly supported him are still super duper into neoliberalism and free trade. What're Ryan and McConnell gonna do if Trump really does start demanding to rip up trade agreements, slap tariffs on everything, and purge lobbyists from DC? This is like the only long-shot reason I think McConnell might not nuke the filibuster for everything.
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FactsAreUseless posted:By "these people" do you mean "black people?" No dude he was referred no to political elites both R and D. There was a book published recently by some West Virginian guy that spoke about the common fears of the lower class folks from those areas. He spoke about going to Harvard law or something and being looked down upon. Though I may have completely hosed this description.
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Squashing Machine posted:Then we're lost. Absolve yourself of all responsibility, there's no point in trying to change minds because there are no minds to change. Then provide some concrete examples of where exactly these inroads can be made & where they've worked within our modern political framework? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you or other folks in this thread who contend that it's unproductive to be completely dismissive of the majority of the Republican voting bloc. I just haven't found a way to reconcile that idea with what actually happens when I try.
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steinrokkan posted:Hatred is simply a state of elevated dissatisfaction over an imperfection in things. Too bad it is far far far easier to aim it at illusions to such an unreasonable degree
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C2C - 2.0 posted:After the hullaballoo subsides a bit, I'll probably reactivate my FB account. And those same folks will be there; the ones who I tried MANY, MANY, MANY loving times to have civil conversations with about the state of the nation. It's probably the result of how modern communications systems (social media, actual media, and everything else) leads to people gravitating towards groups that share similar thoughts. As a result, it creates these echo chambers that refuse to allow for a different opinion. The best example of this would be how Fox talk show hosts tends to shout down anyone who even dares to slightly disagree with their opinion, even if the point of contention is backed up by reams of research. As a result, it becomes not who's factually right, but who's truthiness is loudest. I know that I am really stubborn in my policy viewpoints, and it's really difficult for someone to persuade that I'm wrong. It doesn't help that I like to read, listen, and watch things that I agree with. You might say, "but at least your ideology is grounded in logic." To the people opposed to you, they ARE grounded in logic, based upon their upbringing and education. It is you who are irrational, bringing in these hokey ideologies that isn't proven through their system. In short, it's going to take a helluva lot of work to even try to court people of opposing ideologies.
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Torpor posted:No dude he was referred no to political elites both R and D. This is such a jackass line of thinking. "Gee all those coastal liberals said mean things to me. I'll vote to deport immigrants and poo poo on black people, that'll show 'em." I'm missing the moral absolution here.
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deadly_pudding posted:Is there someplace I missed where Trump isn't the living loving embodiment of "monied interests"? He's a (alleged) billionaire with a long history of outsourcing his labor and generally loving over anybody who does business with him. He'll be all too happy to exploit the working class as ruthlessly as any other corporate entity. Don't let the narrative of the hard pressed Trump voter that is unfairly maligned by evil liberals you are going to hear for the next few months fool you. He did worse that Romney in amount of votes. The election was lost because Hillary didn't get out enough people in her Blue Wall for whatever reason but they just stayed home, not switched. Also remember Obama spent his first term trying to build bridges and go across the aisle and look how well that worked out and how much credit he got for it.
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greatn posted:I feel like as long as our NATO allies provide president Trump luxury accommodations and flattery and girls he'll be fine with them. He said he wanted all NATO countries to be more like Poland. Meaning that they should spend as much money as possible on armaments on their own, preferably of American make. This would be fine if it meant reciprocally reducing American military spending, but lol.
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Torpor posted:No dude he was referred no to political elites both R and D.
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So what I'm getting at is there's nothing left to be done and we're getting at least 4 years of Trumpsanity. Trump, Pence, and Rudy are all in positions of power and will exercise it as they see fit since the Senate is GOP controlled. That's it then? They won? Pence outlaws abortion and gay marriage, Rudy does...whatever he does, and Dorito Benito gets to feel all smug? The worst part about this is his supporters are emboldened and shittier than ever. They've been vindicated, and are now very dangerous. The government won't even call them out as such, they'll be supported. Jesus.
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