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negromancer posted:I mean, its pretty much on the "good" white people to spend the next 4 years REALLY forcing the issue on the terrible white people they come across, and not just ignoring them or recounting the tales of their awfulness to black people for brownie points. What reality are you living in, right now? Do you sincerely believe that a plurality of Trump supporters, or American citizens, are WHITE NATIONALISTS? Donald Trump outperformed Romney with Latinos here in Fl my own home state. As a first-generation minority, I can promise you my bisabuelos do not post on Stormfront.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Except that Obama won. Twice. So it is possible to overcome that core-rot Yeah problem being we don't have another Obama in the wings at the moment. I would gladly welcome being proven wrong by it literally being Michelle in 2020 though. As excellent an orator as Barack has been, I have to agree with the man, I love hearing her speak.
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:So if I'm reading this right, Trump basically got the same support as McCaine/Romney, it was just a massively depressed turnout for Democrats? Did the voter suppression poo poo have an appreciable effect? Dead Cosmonaut posted:It did if the voter suppression was called being Hillary Rodham Clinton just to point out ground zero for voter suppression this year north carolina, statewide democratic candidates are either slightly ahead or within recount range for a bunch of offices, and a longtime republican incumbent supreme court judge lost to a black candidate flipping control over to dems
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joeburz posted:Rip planet earth, thx rural white voters I used to have sympathy for their economic fears, now I just want a supervolcano to appear in Kansas and bury the corn states under 50 meters of ash.
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negromancer posted:What's most entertaining about this "Hillary ignored the working class whites" is that Trump won white people on every socioeconomic level. I don't think so - turnout was so far down this year that the numbers we see could have come from "Meh, Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich, I guess I'll just stay home." - after telling pollsters "Yea, I guess Hillary is a better choice." What we're really seeing is that the RNC has incredible structural advantages (Supporters who are used to voting, are retired/can get time off to vote, are not so overworked that they can follow politics, etc) that can only be overcome by a rockstar candidate. Hillary would have been a great president, but she's no rockstar. Obama was a fluke. Of course, one of those structural advantages is "has a base of racists, outspoken or otherwise, that can be convinced to vote via either dogwhistles or clear racial language."
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Nov 9, 2016 21:41
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nurabsal posted:What reality are you living in, right now? A majority of Trump supporters are willing to tell a pollster they are racist. So it doesn't seem that far of a stretch when they're supporting the same candidate the white nationalists are calling a savior to the white race.
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nurabsal posted:What reality are you living in, right now? Oh those guys? All bigots I know this in my guts.
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Alright, So a lot of people have been saying "Who could the democrats run in 2020?" and I think I've come up with a few good choices: Tammy Duckworth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth#Political_positions Kate Brown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Brown Kamala Hariris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris Catherine Cortez Masto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Cortez_Masto What do you guys think?
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PKJC posted:Yeah problem being we don't have another Obama in the wings at the moment. I would gladly welcome being proven wrong by it literally being Michelle in 2020 though. As excellent an orator as Barack has been, I have to agree with the man, I love hearing her speak. Cory Booker is probably the most charismatic guy they have waiting in the wings. His economic policies will piss the left off but let's be real here, Trump didn't win because people loved his actual policies
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Oracle posted:You realize you just took Donald J Trump, serial liar, at his word. The man who changed his mind about WHO TO HAVE FOR VICE PRESIDENT because the last person to talk to him said no, choose Pence and he was like 'fine, whatever.' Let me have some hope about one of the weird little side issues he likes to repeat himself on, okay? That's as close as he will ever come to having an opinion beyond Trump Is The Best.
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HorseRenoir posted:Cory Booker is probably the most charismatic guy they have waiting in the wings. His economic policies will piss the left off but let's be real here, Trump didn't win because people loved his actual policies Doesn't he have some lovely scandal following him?
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Drunkboxer posted:Doesn't he have some lovely scandal following him? He's pro charter schools. Among other things.
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nurabsal posted:What reality are you living in, right now? You just got here. Maybe you should study American History and race relations before you try talking this nonsense. I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Trump won white women by 10 points. We can talk about minority turnout or whatever, but those have reasonable answers that don't excuse the fact that white women up and down the socioeconomic ladder voted for a rapist, and the only, ONLY thing more important than womanhood to white women is whiteness. Ask any WoC feminist that's had to deal with white feminists.
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I'm worried about Pence. He has the power to undo all the LGBT and women's rights advances made in the past few years, and nothing can stop him from it. I'm scared that we'll go back to the 80s and hate crimes will rise. Someone please tell me I'm wrong.
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I really hope that Trump gets the right people stroking his ego and getting him to do non-terrible things. He said some stuff that was liberal (like not caring about trans people using the bathroom) during the primaries so maybe the last few months has been him huffing and puffing for his base. Apparently he doesn't listen to Pence, so all might not be lost. Maybe if the right people get his ear he can do the big things that prissy liberals could never do like rebuild the national infrastructure, dismantle corrupt election systems by instating automatic voter registration and election day being a holiday to make sure that liberals can never rig another election, and make sure that a bi-partisan coalition sets congressional boundaries so that the nasty liberals with never gerrymander again. None of this is realistic. 
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Trabisnikof posted:A majority of Trump supporters are willing to tell a pollster they are racist. So it doesn't seem that far of a stretch when they're supporting the same candidate the white nationalists are calling a savior to the white race. I can accept that Racism was a factor in this race, as it certainly was in 2008 when our first African-American President lost every mid-western and east coast swing state that Hillary lost this year. Give me a break, dude. Obviously dogwhistles and race and gender play a role, but crying "white nationalism" is not constructive.
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Just loving disband and put all the party's money behind Kshama Sawant, shoot a few people as an example at the DNC if the gnashing of oligarch teeth becomes too loud.quote:Cory Booker
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nurabsal posted:What reality are you living in, right now? So, are you at odds with the contention from an earlier post by a Latino that racism isn't something that exists within certain Latino populations and, if it somehow does, it's not something that'd sway their vote?
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HorseRenoir posted:Cory Booker is probably the most charismatic guy they have waiting in the wings. His economic policies will piss the left off but let's be real here, Trump didn't win because people loved his actual policies I think Cory Booker is a bad idea. The Democrats really need to try getting back to appealing to workers instead of financially connected guys.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Alright, So a lot of people have been saying "Who could the democrats run in 2020?" and I think I've come up with a few good choices: My money is on Duckworth running. e: I swear I'm not making a pun!
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Bernie Sanders is unelectable, says the campaign that lost against a reality tv cheeto with a hairpiece. Blame racism or bigotry if you want, but the democratic party lost this by pushing the only candidate that could have possibly lost against Trump.
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Guy Goodbody posted:It's impossible. The majority of Seats up in 2018 are Democrats who won by riding Obama's coat tails. Republicans will gain Senate sets in 2018
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Why are you guys making GBS threads on Warren's statement? It's absolutely the correct thing to say and on the chance that he wants to pursue some good policies like, say, non-wall infrastructure spending, she should be willing to work with him.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Just loving disband and put all the party's money behind Kshama Sawant, shoot a few people as an example at the DNC if the gnashing of oligarch teeth becomes too loud. The only rational solution is to roll out the tanks. Unfortunately we are a little short on tanks.
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nurabsal posted:What reality are you living in, right now? I don't know how many times this thread can explain to people that you don't need to wear a swastika armband or white hood and spend your Saturday nights at cross burnings to support a white supremacist.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I do find it extremely interesting that years and years of efforts to make racism not okay resulted in a situation where open racism wasn't okay, but rather than stop being racist people just started to feel like they were being prevented from expressing themselves by powerful forces beyond their control. It makes me wonder what can possibly be done to address racism. The right-wing media grooms its supporters and has been doing it since Gingrich's years, to create a right-leaning identity that makes these people believe that problems aren't all that complicated. This gives such people more of a feeling of agency and understanding. Terrorism can be fought if we just say the word "Muslim" and target certain people. The economy can be fixed by cutting taxes to give people more money to spend. Crime can be fixed if we go out and buy more guns. Simple problems, simple solutions, and anyone who tries to make it more complicated by talking about underlying issues of culture, economics, or other factors is just waffling or being politically correct or something. I have a neighbor who genuinely believes he is personally more capable of defeating ISIL than the president or his generals, despite getting discharged from the army for drunkenly crashing two Humvees in 2004. Everyone made a stink about certain things Jon Stewart said on his infamous Crossfire appearance, but one of the most telling parts of that episode was when the hosts and audience kept bringing up the idea of "Why can't politicians give us straight answers?" It was fairly obvious it was meant to be a circle-jerky moment that groomed the viewer by making them feel smart and superior to anyone in public office (courtesy of your dutiful hosts at Crossfire). There was even this cringey moment when an audience member got up and asked the question several times. And my thinking is "because we don't know what a straight answer is." If a politician goes on describing the underlying problems of a major issue, and parts of that issue that we can focus on to come to a resolution, he will be shouted down by a television host or audience member for not "giving a straight answer." And when we shut those out, we get President Trump stealing the show by saying we gotta kill civilians related to terrorists, build a big wall, and cut taxes in a way that will most likely add around 6 trillion dollars to the national debt.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:So, are you at odds with the contention from an earlier post by a Latino that racism isn't something that exists within certain Latino populations and, if it somehow does, it's not something that'd sway their vote? Nah, I can agree with that point. The best example being Cuban-Americans who perceive themselves as White Hispanics. Its fair.
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Pollyanna posted:I'm worried about Pence. He has the power to undo all the LGBT and women's rights advances made in the past few years, and nothing can stop him from it. I'm scared that we'll go back to the 80s and hate crimes will rise. Someone please tell me I'm wrong. Depending on SC outcomes it'll be farther back than the '80s. Note: LGBT people? If you can, move. You're likely the only minority group who might escape the worst of it in Canada. If you're also black you're still probably hosed but yeah, if you can, move to Canada.
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Apraxin posted:Yeah. I know we now live in topsy-turvey world, where up is down, polls are wrong, and Donald Trump bends reality to his will, but if anyone can construct a narrative where the Dems pick up three seats from this map, please share it: Nevada, Arizona, Texas... assuming Trump is terrible enough to scare people shitless about voting red again. Otherwise we're right hosed until 2020 at least.
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Harry Joe posted:Bernie Sanders is unelectable, says the campaign that lost against a reality tv cheeto with a hairpiece. i'm sure chafee or o'malley would've found a way to lose just as easily
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nurabsal posted:I can accept that Racism was a factor in this race, as it certainly was in 2008 when our first African-American President lost every mid-western and east coast swing state that Hillary lost this year. Why not exactly? We have the Klan rallying already, the Trump effect is widely documented in schools and now the federal government, the last vestige of protection against voting discrimination and racial discrimination by law enforcement left in red states, now they're in the pocket of the "put the white in the White House" people? White Nationalism is now again part of the national political climate and gently caress yes we should be ashamed it is true, but we can't defeat it if we deny it.
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nurabsal posted:Nah, I can agree with that point. The best example being Cuban-Americans who perceive themselves as White Hispanics. Its fair. The weird assumption that the demographic change to minority majority will change anything in and of itself is a bit strange. I am pretty sure it will just slightly change the power dynamics and tribalism a bit.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:My money is on Duckworth running. Yeah, Duckworth is my top pic too. I think she could get people excited in the same way that Obama did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMbWVUXNF9c If she could get Bernie Sanders (or someone as equally socialist) as a running mate she might be a shoe in.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:My money is on Duckworth running. I'll be watching her with interest.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Why are you guys making GBS threads on Warren's statement? It's absolutely the correct thing to say and on the chance that he wants to pursue some good policies like, say, non-wall infrastructure spending, she should be willing to work with him. This, worry if it turns out she's serious and not saying the politically expedient thing in the wake of election results that came as a surprise to so many, including those in the winning campaign.
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The Shortest Path posted:Who voted for Obama in 2012 that also voted for Trump yesterday? Please tell me where these unicorns exist. This thread moves too fast. I'm right here from Michigan.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Alright, So a lot of people have been saying "Who could the democrats run in 2020?" and I think I've come up with a few good choices: Tulsa?????
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Dreylad posted:I can see Trump being an incredibly lazy and pretty corrupt president who doesn't do much. unfortunately the republicans also control everything else. Yeah this wouldn't have been so bad if he was in Reagan's situation having do deal with Tip O'Neal.
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