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Three Olives posted:Like I said before, the dog has caught the car. While the ACA is incredibly unpopular the majority of the provision are very popular and the rest of the stuff is just to make those provisions possible. I think reform is much more likely than repeal and replace because they all know it will be almost impossible to replace but when people start getting rescission letters it's going to be very, very bad for Republicans. ACA is wired into the economy in a lot of ways now. The actual "repeal" is going to be a lot more than what they've been doing and a whole hell of a lot more complicated. e: or they'll just leave it to the bureaucracy and the states and it will turn into a giant clusterfuck. actually they'll probably do that.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:also you're going to have idiot kings like marco rubio trying to look important all the time to pad their resume for 2024 It's a Senate that includes Ted Cruz. My god.
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lol if you think Senate dems have the balls to threaten a shutdown even if there wasn't a mad dash to kill the filibuster We're hosed
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Hey, I did the math and RBG has a 71% chance of living to the 2020 inauguration!
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pathetic little tramp posted:White woman in our parking lot with a trump sticker on her broken down car getting helped by a friendly black man who stopped with jumper cables.
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theflyingexecutive posted:He attached the jumper cables to her heart hopefully? He was out front, the sticker was on the back, I was thinking of stopping and showing it to him and telling her that in Trump's America she's on her loving own, but my heart is not completely empty yet.
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Schnorkles posted:ACA is wired into the economy in a lot of ways now. The actual "repeal" is going to be a lot more than what they've been doing and a whole hell of a lot more complicated.  like Republicans care
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Intel&Sebastian posted:lol if you think Senate dems have the balls to threaten a shutdown even if there wasn't a mad dash to kill the filibuster the calculation here isn't actually the dems, who i would expect to gracefully find a hill on and die, but the republicans. I'm not sure Flake, Cruz, Rand, Sasse, McCain, or Collins [as has been said] will actually want to get rid of the fillibuster. And good luck threatening a primary on any of them.
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Party Boat posted:didn't one volunteer to do it and after five seconds went "Jesus gently caress that's the worst holy poo poo I go back on everything I said about it" Christopher Hitchens, at least.
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Iron Crowned posted:
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Schnorkles posted:the calculation here isn't actually the dems, who i would expect to gracefully find a hill on and die, but the republicans. I'm not sure Flake, Cruz, Rand, Sasse, McCain, or Collins [as has been said] will actually want to get rid of the fillibuster. And good luck threatening a primary on any of them. Trump is going to make Flake into literal flakes.
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Iron Crowned posted:
Yeah the only thing to look forward to now is how Republicans explain exploding HC costs and a zillion people dropping coverage aren't their fault immediately afterwards. Sooooooooo hosed.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:i voted for idiot fascism because gbs was shut down  against. See, when it gets down to brass tacks, Trump is the same pro-business center right New York City Democrat he's been for forty years. It's the Party that went fascist ideologue.
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Schnorkles posted:this is smart imo Of course it is. They have an obligation to work in the best interest of their members. Refusing to work with the president would not be meeting their obligation. That's a non-story. Clickbait headline.
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Captain Internet posted:Blame specialty drugs being incredibly expensive to develop and produce, insurance companies, through PBMs, negotiate the shittiest deals for both customers and pharmacies/doctors offices. Reimbursement rates are awful and the only ones making money are the insurance companies. I'm most of the way through a biochem degree, currently work for a bank in a sensitive role, and take all sorts of weird prescription meds. You're only wrong about the very first bit; drug synthesis is pretty cheap most of the time - the big cost sink is research, which is still basically just alchemy with a pinch of real science sprinkled on at the end. We usually find exciting new molecules waaaaay before we figure out what they're good for. "Designer drugs" are bespoke little things that get built ground up after identifying the biological substrate you want to simulate or inhibit, but they're only an option when we actually understand the protein functions we're messing with first. That's still almost never.
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Schnorkles posted:The fillibuster is really tricky, and I'm not sure with the current make-up of the senate that there are 50 votes to get rid of it on the GOP side. It's useful, even for the majority party, in a whole lot of cases. They don't need to filibuster the Supreme Court, you need 60 votes to confirm (same for all fed. judges). The Republicans NEED Dem voters to get anyone. I think this will be the thing the Democrats trade (if anything) in exchange for a "less than repeal" of Obamacare (rather than filibustering that vote).
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oh yeah that's what I was thinking of got a hearty laugh from this line quote:wondered whether I should tell them about the 15,000 cigarettes I had inhaled every year for the last several decades
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Schnorkles posted:ACA is wired into the economy in a lot of ways now. The actual "repeal" is going to be a lot more than what they've been doing and a whole hell of a lot more complicated. i cant help but think they'll find the stupidest possible way to do it that will tie the whole country up in uncertainty and court cases for years like nothing, technically speaking, is preventing them from just saying "this law is now repealed lol". obviously in practical terms it'd be a loving nightmare hellscape but
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Schnorkles posted:If you write a bill that says "We repeal this in the most expedient way possible, kthx" you leave the entire process and timing to the actual bureaucracy who will probably dig their heels in. It gets complicated. Intel&Sebastian posted:Yeah the only thing to look forward to now is how Republicans explain exploding HC costs and a zillion people dropping coverage aren't their fault immediately afterwards. Sooooooooo hosed. like Republicans care
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WMain00 posted:Its great watching Babylon 5 happen in real life. Roger Stone for fucks sake mate
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Pook Good Mook posted:They don't need to filibuster the Supreme Court, you need 60 votes to confirm (same for all fed. judges). The Republicans NEED Dem voters to get anyone. The senate is close, and when the senate is close, the senate is a shitshow.
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Party Boat posted:didn't one volunteer to do it and after five seconds went "Jesus gently caress that's the worst holy poo poo I go back on everything I said about it" yeah that was Mancow http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/archive/Mancow-Takes-on-Waterboarding-and-Loses.html quote:Turns out the stunt wasn't so funny. Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop. He only lasted 6 or 7 seconds.
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mormonpartyboat posted:i cant help but think they'll find the stupidest possible way to do it that will tie the whole country up in uncertainty and court cases for years doing anything, even repealing a law [actually especially repealing a law when the bureaucracy has spun up] in the american system is real hard and takes a real long time. trump winning has not magically changed this
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Cephalocidal posted:I'm most of the way through a biochem degree, currently work for a bank in a sensitive role, and take all sorts of weird prescription meds. You're only wrong about the very first bit; drug synthesis is pretty cheap most of the time - the big cost sink is research, which is still basically just alchemy with a pinch of real science sprinkled on at the end. We usually find exciting new molecules waaaaay before we figure out what they're good for. "Designer drugs" are bespoke little things that get built ground up after identifying the biological substrate you want to simulate or inhibit, but they're only an option when we actually understand the protein functions we're messing with first. That's still almost never. You should probably wait until you get that biochem degree before weighing in here. He was clearly talking about biologics, which are expensive as all hell both from a R&D perspective, and downstream processing costs per batch.
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Mr.Shadow posted:I am just amazed that the Republicans did nothing but obstruct and pull useless crap like all the appeal attempts for the ACA, Obamas supreme court nominee, and they end up getting rewarded for it. Why is the average American voter so stupid? That's the thing, the GOP holds every branch now so they're going to do a lot of awful and right wing poo poo, which means they can also crow about how they make government work unlike useless Dems and Obama. Their idiot voters will lap it up too.
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christ that laughing. thats why white people who voted for obama voted trump.
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SpRahl posted:So is there a term for arzying but actually being correct the whole time? berning
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Yeah the only thing to look forward to now is how Republicans explain exploding HC costs and a zillion people dropping coverage aren't their fault immediately afterwards. Sooooooooo hosed. drat Obamacare! (Seriously this is what they will say)
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Schnorkles posted:doing anything, even repealing a law [actually especially repealing a law when the bureaucracy has spun up] in the american system is real hard and takes a real long time. perhaps you don't understand bing bing bong bong, law repealed pretty fuckin' easy
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WeAreTheRomans posted:You should probably wait until you get that biochem degree before weighing in here. He was clearly talking about biologics, which are expensive as all hell both from a R&D perspective, and downstream processing costs per batch. biotech costs are absolute lunacy and i'm part of the problem~
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Agronox posted:perhaps you don't understand poo poo *corncobs*
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