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Constant Hamprince: Oct 24, 2010; by exmarx; College Slice

"Will nafta be better now that a cartoon fascist is renegotiating it?" - Serious Canadian Politics Man asks

# ? Nov 9, 2016 23:39

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 04:19

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

...and for the second time in only 30 years America finds itself with an addle-brained actor with his finger on the button.

# ? Nov 9, 2016 23:42

Morzhovyye: Mar 2, 2013

RCMP intelligence centre compiled list of 89 Indigenous rights activists considered �threats�

The juxtaposition of this is telling. Are you engaging in terrorism or legitimate dissent?

# ? Nov 9, 2016 23:51

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

I did some light reading on NAFTA today because I know next to nothing about it except for it being the reason I don't have to pay duty on stuff that is made in the US or Mexico.

To me it just sounds like a collection of articles rolling back tariffs that once existed between Mex/Can/US. If it was repealed I don't think those tariffs would come back right away, it would be up to the US Congress to decide was they wanted to tariff after that and as well our own government could decide too that they wanted to tariff a bunch of US poo poo too I guess.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:07

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

flakeloaf posted:

Leave the military, that worked for me.

Yeah, there were quite a few guys I work with who I lost a ton of respect for this morning as they crowed about this great victory and how awesome it'll be when we get embroiled in a full-on war under President Trump. Like, I understand being ready and willing to fulfill that aspect of this organization (it terrifies me, but I accepted it when I took the oath), but the bloodthirsty demand for it is incredibly off-putting.

The repeated claims that Hillary is a oval office/monster/evil bitch were really awful, too. Misogyny is alive and well in these Canadian Armed Forces, despite any claims to the contrary :smith:

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:10

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

DariusLikewise posted:

I did some light reading on NAFTA today because I know next to nothing about it except for it being the reason I don't have to pay duty on stuff that is made in the US or Mexico.

To me it just sounds like a collection of articles rolling back tariffs that once existed between Mex/Can/US. If it was repealed I don't think those tariffs would come back right away, it would be up to the US Congress to decide was they wanted to tariff after that and as well our own government could decide too that they wanted to tariff a bunch of US poo poo too I guess.

quote:

NAFTA's Chapter 11 Makes Canada Most-Sued Country Under Free Trade Tribunals

Canada is the most-sued country under the North American Free Trade Agreement and a majority of the disputes involve investors challenging the country�s environmental laws, according to a new study.

The study from the left-leaning Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives (CCPA) found that more than 70 per cent of claims since 2005 have been brought against Canada, and the number of challenges under a controversial settlement clause is rising sharply.

The investor-state dispute settlement mechanism contained in NAFTA�s chapter 11 grants investors the right to sue foreign governments without first pursuing legal action in the country�s court systems, in order to protect foreign investors from discrimination. Drafters of the 1994 treaty included the provision to protect U.S. and Canadian investors against corruption in Mexican courts.

Critics argue that the mechanism limits governments from enacting policies on legitimate public concerns such as the environment and labour or human rights, and that negotiations are often carried out in secret.

The CCPA believes the federal government�s strong commitment to Chapter 11 and its willingness to settle and compensate claimants is encouraging more cases against Canada. There were 12 cases brought against Canada from 1995 to 2005, while in the decade since there have been 23.

The 35 claims brought against Canada comprise 45 per cent of the total number of claims under NAFTA. That�s significantly more than Mexico�s 22 or the 20 brought against the U.S.

Canada has lost or settled six claims paying a total of $170 million in damages, while Mexico has lost five cases and paid out $204 million. The U.S.,meanwhile, has won 11 cases and has never lost a NAFTA investor-state case.

�Thanks to NAFTA chapter 11, Canada has now been sued more times through investor-state dispute settlement than any other developed country in the world,� said Scott Sinclair, who authored the study.

MORE: Six times Canada had to pay foreign investors under NAFTA�s Chapter 11

Even when countries win the legal costs of fighting an investor claim, it can cost millions of dollars. Sinclair estimates Canada has spent $65 million defending such claims over the past two decades.

About 63 per cent of the claims against Canada involved challenges to environmental protection or resource management programs that allegedly interfere with the profits of foreign investors.

The government has lost some of these environmental challenges and has been forced to overturn legislation protecting the environment.

In 1997, the Ethyl Corporation, a U.S. chemical company, used chapter 11 to challenge a Canadian ban on the import of MMT, a gasoline additive that is a suspected neurotoxin and which automakers have said interferes with cars� diagnostic systems. The company won damages of $15 million and the government was forced to remove the policy.

A year later, U.S.-based S.D. Myers challenged Canada�s temporary ban on the export of toxic PCP waste, which was applied equally to all companies. Canada argued it was obliged to dispose of the waste within its own borders under another international treaty. However, the tribunal ruled the ban was discriminatory and violated NAFTA�s standards for fair treatment.

There are currently eight cases against the Canadian government asking for a total of $6 billion in damages. All of them were brought by U.S. companies.

Many of those current challenges involve domestic environmental protections such as the promotion of renewable energies, a moratorium on offshore wind projects on Lake Ontario and Nova Scotia�s decision to block a contentious mega-quarry.

In one case, a Calgary headquartered company that is registered in the U.S., Lone Pine Resources Inc., is suing the Canadian government for $250 million over Quebec�s moratorium on natural gas fracking, which applies equally to foreign and domestic companies. Lone Pine argues it was not consulted before the ban nor compensated for its wasted investment or loss of potential revenue.

Sinclair argues that the threat of challenges under chapter 11 has a chilling effect on public interest regulation, which will only worsen unless political and legal action is taken.

�Buoyed by their past successes, foreign investors and their legal advisors are now turning to NAFTA chapter 11 with increasing frequency and assertiveness,� he wrote.

�Unfortunately, compared to other parts of the world, there is surprisingly little political debate about the corrosive influence of ISDS on public policy and democracy in Canada.�

Canada is embarking on a new generation of multinational treaties such as the European Union free trade deal and the Trans Pacific Partnership, both of which contain investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) systems. While governments can be sued under ISDS, there is no similar recourse for states to hold foreign investors, often wealthy corporations, accountable for their actions.

quote:
Six times Canada had to pay foreign investors under NAFTA�s Chapter 11:
Case: Ethyl Corp. (1997)

Amount awarded: US$13 million, out-of-court settlement.
What happened: The U.S. chemical company challenged a Canada-wide ban on import and trade of the gasoline additive MMT, a suspected neurotoxin. Following a preliminary judgement against Canada, the government repealed the ban, issued an apology and paid a settlement.

2. Case: S.D. Meyers (1998)
Amount awarded: CDN$6.05 million, plus interest and compensation.
What happened: The U.S. waste disposal firm challenged a temporary Canadian ban on the export of toxic PCB wastes, something the country was obliged to do under an international environmental treaty. The tribunal ruled that Canada violated standards of treatment under NAFTA.

3.Pope and Talbot (1998)
Amount awarded: CDN$870,000.
What happened: The U.S. lumber company challenged Canada�s lumber export rules implemented under the Canada-U.S. softwood lumber agreement. The tribunal ruled Canada violated NAFTA�s minimum standards of treatment.

4. Mobil Investments/Murphy Oil (2007)
Amount awarded: Not yet determined, but damages continue to accrue as long as violating guideline in effect.
What happened: The oil investors argued that Canada�s guidelines requiring energy companies to invest in research and development in Newfoundland and Labrador are inconsistent with NAFTA rules. The tribunal ruled in favour of the investors and Canada is liable to pay damages.

5. AbitibiBowater (2009)
Amount awarded: CDN$130 million in settlement � the largest NAFTA-related settlement to date.
What happened: The pulp and paper company closed its last mill in Newfoundland and Labrador in 2008 and the provincial government enacted legislation to return its timber and water rights to the Crown and expropriate some of its lands and assets associated with water and hydroelectric rights. Abitibi was to be paid fair market value for the assets.The company launched a NAFTA claim and the government decided to settle without going to court.

6. St. Marys (2011)
Amount awarded: $15 million.
What happened: The company alleges its Canadian subsidiary was the victim of political interference when it tried to open a quarry near Hamilton, Ont., after residents grew concerned about the groundwater. The provincial government issued a zoning order preventing the site from being converted into a quarry and the company claimed that was unfair and discriminatory. The parties reached a settlement in 2013 that saw the company withdraw the claim in exchange for compensation from the Ontario government.
Source: Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:15

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

How does NAFTA differ from CAFTA that preceded it other than Mexico isn't part of it? Since it's technically on the books even if he did repeal it wouldn't that one come into effect again by default?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:20

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

As long as Alberta ndp has a health minister with a BMI higher than Sammy sosas home run record I won't take them seriously

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:23

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

How does NAFTA differ from CAFTA that preceded it other than Mexico isn't part of it? Since it's technically on the books even if he did repeal it wouldn't that one come into effect again by default?

CAFTA doesn't apply to Canada

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:27

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

JawKnee posted:

CAFTA doesn't apply to Canada

Sorry I meant this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_Free_Trade_Agreement

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:31

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

The repeated claims that Hillary is a oval office/monster/evil bitch were really awful, too. Misogyny is alive and well in these Canadian Armed Forces, despite any claims to the contrary

Hillary is all of these things but if she were a man she would still be all of these things. Make sure these people hate her because she's a woman and not because she's a terrible human being before you label them misogynists.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:46

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Sorry I meant this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_Free_Trade_Agreement

I guess it would depend on what supersede means in this case - I'm not a lawyer, but the legal definition of it seems to include that it 'makes void' whatever the previous thing was.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:47

Landsknecht: Oct 27, 2009; I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

namaste faggots posted:

As long as Alberta ndp has a health minister with a BMI higher than Sammy sosas home run record I won't take them seriously

The alberta ndp's problem is that they have maybe 5 MLAs capable of running a ministry, and there are a lot more ministries than that.

A lot of the paper candidates were people who were mildly interested in politics (and had 0 experience or interest in the party before that) and signed on ahead of the writ drop so the party could say it had a full slate across alberta

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:56

St. Dogbert: Mar 17, 2011

Pinterest Mom posted:

If U.S. president-elect Donald Trump wants to sit down and renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, Canada says it�s ready to talk.

�We�re ready to come to the table,� David MacNaughton, the country�s ambassador to Washington, said Wednesday.

🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃

Can't imagine why Trudeau would want to talk turkey with a guy who lost nearly $1 billion in a single year running casinos.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 00:58

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

trump will destroy trudeau at the negotiating table

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:03

Booourns: Jan 20, 2004; Please send a report when you see me complain about other posters and threads outside of QCS

~thanks!

namaste faggots posted:

We can stop this by killing every rural. I'm volunteering.

I guess calling for the death of all rural people is just OK for this forum now?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:06

yippee cahier: Mar 28, 2005

EvilJoven posted:

Hillary is all of these things but if she were a man she would still be all of these things. Make sure these people hate her because she's a woman and not because she's a terrible human being before you label them misogynists.

Want to apply that same logic to homophobic or racist slurs?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:09

Jan: Feb 27, 2008; The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

infernal machines posted:

...and for the second time in only 30 years America finds itself with an addle-brained actor with his finger on the button.

And since no one uses print media anymore, the archaeologists of the post-nuclear winter Earth of 2980 won't be able to know that that the event that precipitated total nuclear war was something called a "tweet" from the ruler of a different nation that said, "Trump is a power addled maniac".

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:09

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

RBC posted:

trump will destroy trudeau at the negotiating table

To be fair to Trudeau, Trump would take Harper through the cleaners too.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:24

M.McFly: Oct 23, 2008

Booourns posted:

I guess calling for the death of all rural people is just OK for this forum now?

It's the only way to move this country forward; tough but fair.

In other news, two women have dropped out of the PC leadership race in Alberta over harassment allegations with suggestions towards Kenny's camp being the perpetrators. Good luck next election, Alberta!

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...nd-intimidation

quote:

In a stunning move Tuesday, the two women in the Progressive Conservative leadership race � Sandra Jansen and Donna Kennedy-Glans � announced they are dropping out.

Jansen, a Progressive Conservative MLA from Calgary, sent a note to supporters Tuesday complaining of �harassment� and �intimidation tactics� aimed at her.

She said events at the PC convention were the final straw: �My social media has been filled with filth, my domain name purchased to direct people to smear pieces on me and finally, this past weekend in Red Deer, the final straw. Insults were scrawled on my nomination forms. Volunteers from another campaign chased me up and down the hall, attacking me for protecting women�s reproductive rights, and my team was jeered for supporting children�s rights to a safe school environment.�

Jansen did not identify any culprits by name, but she did point a finger of blame at former MP and leadership candidate Jason Kenney who flooded the Red Deer convention with youth delegates.
�In addition to these intimidation tactics, I watched long time, hard working members of our PC youth pushed aside from executive positions so one candidate could garner a few extra delegates. Under the guise of �wider youth engagement� hundreds of youth with no previous ties to the party were bused in to vote � regardless of eligibility. Watching our dedicated PC youth candidates, some of whom logged thousands of kilometres this year volunteering for us, discarded like that, was heartbreaking.�

Kennedy-Glans issued a news release saying, �Right now, politics in Alberta is polarizing and there is limited opportunity for centrist voices to be heard. For that reason, and based on consultation with my volunteer team, I am withdrawing from the PC leadership race.�

Both pulled out just two days before nominations for the race close.

�I am disappointed to learn that MLA Sandra Jansen and former MLA Donna Kennedy-Glans have decided not to enter the Alberta Progressive Conservative leadership election,� wrote Kenney. �I extend my very best wishes to both Donna Kennedy-Glans and Sandra Jansen, and I hope that they will continue to contribute to our public life.�

There are still four others in the race � all men.

Kenney, MLA Richard Starke and Calgary lawyer Bryon Nelson have submitted their nomination papers � but former MLA Stephen Khan has yet to do so.

The race will culminate with a delegated leadership convention on March 18.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:32

ocrumsprug: Sep 23, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Luckily the CEO of Canada probably isn't directly negotiating anything with the CEO of the USA.

I hope.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:34

Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

EvilJoven posted:

Hillary is all of these things but if she were a man she would still be all of these things. Make sure these people hate her because she's a woman and not because she's a terrible human being before you label them misogynists.

Someone being objectively bad does not suddenly give you clearance to open fire with slurs though, which belies the mindset of the speaker more so than any rational reason for disliking someone. Ben Carson, for example, is a terrible person but that does not mean it's okay for you to call him a "dumb friend of the family".

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:36

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

ocrumsprug posted:

Luckily the CEO of Canada probably isn't directly negotiating anything with the CEO of the USA.

I hope.

JUSTIN, let's cut all the bullshit, and let's make th deal right here, right now. I'm gonna tax you on softwood, and you're gonna like it.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:41

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

M.McFly posted:

It's the only way to move this country forward; tough but fair.

In other news, two women have dropped out of the PC leadership race in Alberta over harassment allegations with suggestions towards Kenny's camp being the perpetrators. Good luck next election, Alberta!

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...nd-intimidation

Glans? Really?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:43

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

RBC posted:

trump will destroy trudeau at the negotiating table

we need a strong negotiator and business man to run our country, like kevin o'leary. only then can we contend with trump's america :negative:

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:46

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

or kelly leitch

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:49

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

From USpol:

quote:

What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between myself and the American voter � and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington

Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC:

* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;

* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;

* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;

* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.

On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:

* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205

* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator

* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately

* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward

* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure

Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama

* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States

* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities

* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back

* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

That third one, holy poo poo

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:54

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

JawKnee posted:

From USpol:

That third one, holy poo poo

Which third one? They're all crazy as all gently caress (but especially the first THIRD and the last THIRD).

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:55

Whiskey Sours: Jan 25, 2014; Weather proof.

ocrumsprug posted:

Luckily the CEO of Canada probably isn't directly negotiating anything with the CEO of the USA.

I hope.

No it will be Chrystia Freeland negotiating with US Trade Representative Donald J Trump Jr.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:58

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

you motherfuckers notice there's nothing here but resource stripping initiatives?

sound familiar?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:00

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

PT6A posted:

Which third one? They're all crazy as all gently caress (but especially the first THIRD and the last THIRD).

the first one is just mind-blowingly stupid, like, wow

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:01

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

JawKnee posted:

the first one is just mind-blowingly stupid, like, wow

Yeah, that takes the cake for the most moronic policy proposal I've ever seen, by quite some margin.

Donald Trump is a loving lunatic.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:02

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

namaste faggots posted:

you motherfuckers notice there's nothing here but resource stripping initiatives?

sound familiar?

I can't wait for the China-US coal deal where Trump sends all the coal to China for cents on the dollar along with a handjob for every Chinese delegate.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:07

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Well on the bright side I can stop posting about the TPP now.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:15

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Helsing posted:

Well on the bright side I can stop posting about the TPP now.

Sunny ways friend, JT is gonna sign it using HOPE that the Americans come back to the table, lol

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:29

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

If Trump repeals/renegotiates Nafta it will only he replaced with something even worse for workers. He is not going to create a glorious worker's state. The fifties are never coming back.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:35

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

The morning show on one of Calgary's radio stations played nothing but "It's the end of the world as we know it" on loop for hours this morning.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:51

P.d0t: Dec 27, 2007; I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...

M.McFly posted:

In other news, two women have dropped out of the PC leadership race in Alberta over harassment allegations with suggestions towards Kenny's camp being the perpetrators. Good luck next election, Alberta!

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...nd-intimidation

something something Jason Kenney's ground game

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:51

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

JawKnee posted:

From USpol:

That third one, holy poo poo

A lot of these are loving horrific but only a few seem bad for Canada.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 02:58

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 04:19

Rebochan: Feb 2, 2006; Take my evolution

Welp.

Greetings my future countrymen, for I shall soon be one of you! All hail Trudeau!

... in all seriousness, I've been in processing to start a job in Montreal since September, but let's just say the election has me a bit more eager to get on with it.

Anything I need to know about my new motherland besides all the French I have to learn to get my permanent resident card?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 03:00

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