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negromancer posted:Yeah, not like my field in particular isn't literally hurting for workers. Those 10 emails a day I get from recruiters nationwide must all be one elaborate prank. Ok, so how, exactly, do you plan on shaming these white voters you despise in a manner in which they A: Care and B: Don't react to by just voting Trump again because gently caress you buddy. Whites are the most powerful voting bloc in America. Why should they do *anything* to help someone who actively hates them?
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Poor whites feeling marginalized but in fact not being as such does not change their feeling about being marginalized and a refusal to engage with them despite this is conceding such a huge base of voters to policies so many of you hate that it's a wonder any of you think you'll ever win a single other election. You can't win elections in this country without telling lovely people what they want to hear. It's scary and painful, but honestly you have to offer reactionaries something to cling to other than racism, otherwise they'll obviously just go with racism.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:Let me help you out since you seen to be having some trouble. I'll admit that say 20% of Trumps supporters are actual racist white supremacist. The rest of them are people who got hosed by the government letting companies use free trade to suck wages and jobs out of this country. That includes a few million hispanics and blacks who voted for Trump. The fact that you can't seperate the two groups in your mind and insist on insulting as racist people who want structural economic reform is bizzare. People like you are the reason the Dems are going to lose again in 4 years. well that's not entirely true, one dem did and was very popular for it. who was that. i forget
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Bhaal posted:One thing I think we all need to do is stop talking like 2020 is our next shot at doing something. 2018 is going to be a bloodbath as it is and right now in the wake of this hot mess of 2016 is the time to reinforce a message of "Remember this in 2 years, and get off your rear end and vote to stop it from getting worse" The nature of the House and Senate map is such that there is basically no chance of the Dems making significant gains in 2018, unfortunately. It'll be more about avoiding losses than anything. Bishounen Bonanza posted:Let me help you out since you seen to be having some trouble. I'll admit that say 20% of Trumps supporters are actual racist white supremacist. The rest of them are people who got hosed by the government letting companies use free trade to suck wages and jobs out of this country. That includes a few million hispanics and blacks who voted for Trump. The fact that you can't seperate the two groups in your mind and insist on insulting as racist people who want structural economic reform is bizzare. People like you are the reason the Dems are going to lose again in 4 years. Maybe they just wanted structural economic reform. But that doesn't change the fact that they knowingly voted for an openly racist candidate. Whether his racism was the reason they voted for him is irrelevant. What matters is that to these people, his racism wasn't enough of a reason NOT to vote for him. How could that be anything but racist? corn in the bible posted:or you could have voted for bernie sanders yeah, because turning all their candidates into milquetoast Trump knockoffs worked really well for the RNC
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fadam posted:I'm not saying its right or anything, but racists and misogynists vote. how do you feel they should have been more considered?
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:Let me help you out since you seen to be having some trouble. I'll admit that say 20% of Trumps supporters are actual racist white supremacist. The rest of them are people who got hosed by the government letting companies use free trade to suck wages and jobs out of this country. That includes a few million hispanics and blacks who voted for Trump. The fact that you can't seperate the two groups in your mind and insist on insulting as racist people who want structural economic reform is bizzare. People like you are the reason the Dems are going to lose again in 4 years. 1. Hillary wanted to help poor people everywhere and believed it was possible in a world with free trade 2. Donald was allied with both Republicans and white supremacists and insistingbthat ignoring that is okay pretty much makes you complicit
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corn in the bible posted:or you could have voted for bernie sanders I tried that. Filled out the ballot and everything. Funny thing though, a few months latter there was another election and he wasn't on the ballot.
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JawKnee posted:how do you feel they should have been more considered? In the future we should count white male votes as 2/3rds a vote.
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Not a Step posted:Whites are the most powerful voting bloc in America. Why should they do *anything* to help someone who actively hates them? I would think , providing the given people were actually wanting to think along these lines (and also actually vote), that poor people would be the most powerful voting bloc in america
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:Let me help you out since you seen to be having some trouble. I'll admit that say 20% of Trumps supporters are actual racist white supremacist. The rest of them are people who got hosed by the government letting companies use free trade to suck wages and jobs out of this country. That includes a few million hispanics and blacks who voted for Trump. The fact that you can't separate the two groups in your mind and insist on insulting as racist people who want structural economic reform is bizarre. People like you are the reason the Dems are going to lose again in 4 years. Hillary didn't run on a platform of increasing minimum wage and pouring money into trade schools and community colleges? It's crazy watching people try to rewrite history in real loving time. And personally, I don't give a poo poo who or what group voted to further white supremacy. If you vote for a white supremacist, you're a racist. Racism against PoC sometimes comes from other PoC. We have to deal with things like colorism and the like, and the hispanics that voted more likely than not pass the paper bag test so they will be insulated from most of the issues. So, if you voted to further enhance racism and sexism, congrats, you're a racist and sexist and should be reminded as much until they prove otherwise. No one should be tolerant of intolerance and coddle idiots. The structural economic reform they want just is not possible. Bullshit fucky gently caress factory jobs are gone, period. IF you don't know know to do poo poo but put part A into slot B you were already turbofucked, and they only thing they are voting for is less competiton (read: open racial discrimination) in the workplace so they can once again acquire jobs they are wildly unqualified for, but virtue of being white.
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Main Paineframe posted:yeah, because turning all their candidates into milquetoast Trump knockoffs worked really well for the RNC do you just, like, not know how an election works?
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disjoe posted:lol I'd love to see them jack up student loan rates. I hope you like wage garnishments for the rest of your life because that's what'll happen. The holder of your student loans isn't going to just shrug and say 'oh well' when you decide to stop paying them. They'll take you to court. And they will win.
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corn in the bible posted:do you just, like, not know how an election works? says the "should have voted Bernie" guy
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Who would have thought it was the mainstream Democrats that would force accelerationistm on the country and not the weirdo super anarcho leftists. Also I'm laughing grimly at the people saying that you can vote for the man running on an explicitly racist platform based on one line you like and pretend you aren't a racist. Maybe the horror is yes that many people in this country are actually racist. People can vote for the racist candidate and who wins because he's supported by them but also because the other candidate ran a bad campaign and was damaged from 30 years of attacks. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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the results of the election are all because of racism and not at all because of an uninspiring candidate who people didn't wanna vote for - goon wisdom that's sure to help the cause of the left in upcoming elections
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Not a Step posted:Ok, so how, exactly, do you plan on shaming these white voters you despise in a manner in which they A: Care and B: Don't react to by just voting Trump again because gently caress you buddy. You have it backwards. THEY hate US. They always have. Why the gently caress should we be the ones extending any olive branch when they pretty much try to gently caress us at every turn when we do? gently caress that noise. They need to come to the table and actually try not to be racist and sexist shitheads, then we can work together.
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Main Paineframe posted:Maybe they just wanted structural economic reform. But that doesn't change the fact that they knowingly voted for an openly racist candidate. Whether his racism was the reason they voted for him is irrelevant. What matters is that to these people, his racism wasn't enough of a reason NOT to vote for him. How could that be anything but racist? The racism of white people is inescapable. Writing them off as portions of the electorate, however, is very avoidable, and indeed their actual fears can be used to promote good things. The Dems chose instead to ignore and ridicule their fears. To restructure and rebuild, the idea is to take those fears and identify what positive policies can be promoted with them.
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Moxie posted:1. Hillary wanted to help poor people everywhere and believed it was possible in a world with free trade She was obviously wrong, as voters could see for themselves over the last two decades. My point, is that the dems need to peel Trumps working class voters away from the white supremacist core to win future elections. That can't happen because idiots like you and negromancer insist that those two groups are the same.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Hey everyone who feels like poo poo right now. How?
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i propose we use the most useful metric of all to measure if hillary was a good choice of candidate: it's called "an election"
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I would plead consideration that "no war but class war" is rightfully derided but by the same token "No war but culture war" is equally vapid and a proven Republican victory method so I'm not sure why we insist on dying on that hill.
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I'd love to see them bring factory jobs back from China. You get room and board in a barracks and maybe $2 an hour. You get a day off a month and no safety equipment. What? You won't work under those conditions? It's not as if there's any welfare any more. Factory or beg, your choice.
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Radish posted:Who would have thought it was the mainstream Democrats that would force accelerationistm on the country and not the weirdo super anarcho leftists. hillary clinton, the american ed miliband
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negromancer posted:You have it backwards. Don't wait for that.
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negromancer posted:Hillary didn't run on a platform of increasing minimum wage and pouring money into trade schools and community colleges? They could see from her record that that she wasn't gonna keep those promises. And if you think that the structural economic reforms can't happen then you might as well give up now.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:She was obviously wrong, as voters could see for themselves over the last two decades. I said complicit. We're talking Wehrmacht versus SS here. I guess you can die on that hill tho
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BarbarianElephant posted:I'd love to see them bring factory jobs back from China. You get room and board in a barracks and maybe $2 an hour. You get a day off a month and no safety equipment. Neo-feudalism ho!
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corn in the bible posted:hillary clinton, the american ed miliband does that make Bernie Jeremy Corbyn?
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Captain Magic posted:This attitude is not how adults solve problems in literally any situation. Except it literally just worked for the republicans.
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Rexicon1 posted:This is an accelerationist's dream. I hope you goddamn idiots enjoy this. Things are coming fast. Trump floating Bobby Jindal as Sec. of Health and Human Services. He was so terrible at Governor that he got a Democrat elected Governor in Louisiana. He also created a budget hole so large that it was proposed at one time to cut all public funding to the county hospital in the largest county in Louisiana. Somehow Jindal also cut services for Medicaid / Medicare in the state. This will be terrible. At this point, the Democrats should not filibuster legislation. If they filibuster, they may be seen as causing bad things to happen by not letting the Republicans govern and things will be marginally less terrible. If they don't filibuster, Republicans will own everything.
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Captain Magic posted:This attitude is not how adults solve problems in literally any situation. typically people solve problems by finding others who can identify and help with those problems; or I guess in some situations they can pretend they're randian supermen who can do everything themselves.
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Not a Step posted:Ok, so how, exactly, do you plan on shaming these white voters you despise in a manner in which they A: Care and B: Don't react to by just voting Trump again because gently caress you buddy. Well, let's turn that around. Why should black voters do anything to help white people, who not only actively hate them but have monopolized the power of the state to oppress them for literal centuries? Why should they be obligated to give a poo poo what whites think? Why should equal rights for minorities be something that white people yank away any time they feel like minorities aren't being sufficiently grateful to their white overlords? Bishounen Bonanza posted:She was obviously wrong, as voters could see for themselves over the last two decades. Easier said than done, because Trump's working-class voters have already demonstrated that they are absolutely fine with white supremacism and that it is a sufficently reassuring ideology to help their fears and fix their problems, and that they're tired of "PC" liberals coming in and telling them they can't joke about assaulting women and beating minorities anymore.
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Lote posted:Things are coming fast. Trump floating Bobby Jindal as Sec. of Health and Human Services. He was so terrible at Governor that he got a Democrat elected Governor in Louisiana. He also created a budget hole so large that it was proposed at one time to cut all public funding to the county hospital in the largest county in Louisiana. Somehow Jindal also cut services for Medicaid / Medicare in the state. Gerald Kaufman, everybody. Gerald Kaufman!
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Obama would have stomped Trump. You don't need his racist supporters, you need the people that didn't feel like voting for Clinton. Also she won the popular vote so she's actually more liked nationally than Trump by that metric. America has been insulated from what monsters the Republicans have become through a media that ignores their abuses and Obama who generally stops them from going all in on crazy. They are going to be really shocked at what happens and don't see it coming. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Azuth0667 posted:Except it literally just worked for the republicans. You mean how they listened to angry people and offered them something they wanted despite them historically disagreeing?
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JawKnee posted:I would think , providing the given people were actually wanting to think along these lines (and also actually vote), that poor people would be the most powerful voting bloc in america Nah. Identity politics trump class politics by design. You have all these idiots running around talking about black problems and hispanic problems so the logical extension is white problems. Nobody talks about poor problems, and when Bernie tried to he got called a racist and was overwhelmingly rejected by black people. Captain Magic posted:Poor whites feeling marginalized but in fact not being as such does not change their feeling about being marginalized and a refusal to engage with them despite this is conceding such a huge base of voters to policies so many of you hate that it's a wonder any of you think you'll ever win a single other election. lol how do you not grasp intersectionality? You are the worst woke person ever. Poor + white is an intersectional group stripped of power and oppressed by the wealthy elites. Take some sociology 101 you derp.
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