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Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Kthulhu5000 posted:

Of course, this could all be my age and jadedness speaking, along with my view being influenced by the worst of the English Internet highlighting the worst of the contemporary Japanese nerd fandom. And, of course, "mysteries" and a sense of the secret and unknown have always been crucial to something maintaining a kind of sacred appeal, and the Internet pretty much did away with a lot of that since there's no longer the gulf of physical distance, time, and loose word-of-mouth connections to keep the things happening in Japan obscured from those of us in the west.

Let's be fair here, a lot of the media that we got from Japan in the US was aimed squarely at children even in Japan. It was shallow, melodramatic, formulaic, and built by assembly line even back in "the good ol' days". I'll agree with the idea that the nerd targeted industries in Japan have undergone a rather cruel internalizing where they pander to a smaller and smaller group (something that occurs with any niche thing, really), though.

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mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008
So I was playing Chrono Trigger a few weeks ago and I played a few hours. I plugged it in last night and my save was "gone." It reverted back to the first save I made for the game. I replaced the save in the game a few years back.

Has anyone had this happened to them before? Should I worry? I had the game freeze on me once when I played it a few weeks ago if that matters.

SeductiveReasoning
Nov 2, 2005

382 BC - 301 BC

mariooncrack posted:

So I was playing Chrono Trigger a few weeks ago and I played a few hours. I plugged it in last night and my save was "gone." It reverted back to the first save I made for the game. I replaced the save in the game a few years back.

Has anyone had this happened to them before? Should I worry? I had the game freeze on me once when I played it a few weeks ago if that matters.

Yeah that happened to me the first time I ever played it. I was at the end too :gonk:

Dr. Dos
Aug 5, 2005

YAAAAAAAY!
https://twitter.com/frankcifaldi/status/795770131800473600

Donation drive for some undumped Satellaview stuff including a Kirby game

wa27
Jan 15, 2007

I was dumb and clicked on a facebook trending link and got this article:
http://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/11/07/sega-genesis-production/

quote:

Why is a Brazilian company bringing back the old school console, you might ask. Well, because in Brazil, around 150,000 units of the SEGA Genesis still sell each day.

That's right, the Genesis sells 54 million units every year! That's more than the Xbox One and PS4 combined! :rolleyes:

absolutely anything
Dec 28, 2006

~As for dreams, she has enough and more to spare~

Dr. Dos posted:

https://twitter.com/frankcifaldi/status/795770131800473600

Donation drive for some undumped Satellaview stuff including a Kirby game

please donate to save the kirby games.

XYZ
Aug 31, 2001

wa27 posted:

I was dumb and clicked on a facebook trending link and got this article:
http://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/11/07/sega-genesis-production/


That's right, the Genesis sells 54 million units every year! That's more than the Xbox One and PS4 combined! :rolleyes:

It was a typo, it says year now.

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Random Stranger posted:

Let's be fair here, a lot of the media that we got from Japan in the US was aimed squarely at children even in Japan. It was shallow, melodramatic, formulaic, and built by assembly line even back in "the good ol' days". I'll agree with the idea that the nerd targeted industries in Japan have undergone a rather cruel internalizing where they pander to a smaller and smaller group (something that occurs with any niche thing, really), though.

Very true; but at least it was kind of fun and cool, even in a juvenile "Here's a comic or cartoon your parents would flip out over!" or "Japan has like, one hundred times the games that we do in the US, and you totally know they keep the best ones for themselves!" way. Admittedly, a lot of it was hype due to the selective nature of game releasing; Chrono Trigger made it through the trenches of the Japanese game market and Square / Nintendo saw enough merit and promise in it to get it localized for the US. So it could be easy to build up this idea that we were only seeing the tip of an iceberg of amazing and awesome stuff, the little bits that trickled out to us.

Hence the reference to "mysteries" on my part; there was a sense of something deeper with the promise of some kind of amazing payoff if you chose to dig into it, much as one might undergo an initiation into a religious society, secret club, or what have you. But yeah, that feeling is lost because there isn't any more mystery, because there is such a backlog of promotion and discussion and retreading that has happened, and because the industry has opted to contract inward rather than try to expand its horizons and customer base. It's a drat shame.

wa27 posted:

I was dumb and clicked on a facebook trending link and got this article:
http://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/11/07/sega-genesis-production/


That's right, the Genesis sells 54 million units every year! That's more than the Xbox One and PS4 combined! :rolleyes:

Also, it's PAL format, only has composite video (no AV port, apparently), and is probably designed for Brazil's weird national mishmash of wall voltage, neither of which is 110V anyway. It's all LOL anyway since at $125 USD (in current prices), it's still more money than an actual vintage US Genesis console or even one of those ATGames abominations. It will probably never see the light of day here in the US.

XYZ
Aug 31, 2001

Holy poo poo they still sell Master Systems in Brazil :monocle:

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
If that Genesis is like the other TecToy new production SMS's and Genesis's, it's literally the same Atgames garbage you can buy from toys r us right this second for $40.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



XYZ posted:

Holy poo poo they still sell Master Systems in Brazil :monocle:

Brazil is a weird place technologically. They have super-high tariffs on electronics which means that computers and the like cost absurd amounts of money unless they're actually manufactured within the country. But there's no supporting industries that would make that kind of manufacturing worthwhile in Brazil and so instead of getting locally developed electronics they just get stupidly expensive electronics and a whole lot of bad side effects. A big exception to this is Sega game hardware because they actually licensed the manufacturing out to a local company and they became, in effect, the only game in town. That led to insane things like new Master System games being released there in 1998.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Bought a GBA Micro from a goon, but what a good flashcart for one? Was thinking of getting the Everdrive, but the part about it sticking out on a Micro might be a bit annoying.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Rirse posted:

Bought a GBA Micro from a goon, but what a good flashcart for one? Was thinking of getting the Everdrive, but the part about it sticking out on a Micro might be a bit annoying.

EZFlash IV.

beaver_cheese
Feb 13, 2001

Bad day for that beaver.

Rirse posted:

Bought a GBA Micro from a goon, but what a good flashcart for one? Was thinking of getting the Everdrive, but the part about it sticking out on a Micro might be a bit annoying.

I have this set up and it's really not that bad. The everdrive is really great, I'd recommend it even with the micro.

beaver_cheese fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Nov 8, 2016

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Rats, GBA Everdrive is backordered right now on Stonegamer. It will be worth the wait then.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Rirse posted:

Rats, GBA Everdrive is backordered right now on Stonegamer. It will be worth the wait then.

You can buy directly from Krikzz. It can take a few weeks shipping from the Ukraine however.

https://krikzz.com/store/home/42-everdrive-gba-x5.html

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Random Stranger posted:

Let's be fair here, a lot of the media that we got from Japan in the US was aimed squarely at children even in Japan. It was shallow, melodramatic, formulaic, and built by assembly line even back in "the good ol' days". I'll agree with the idea that the nerd targeted industries in Japan have undergone a rather cruel internalizing where they pander to a smaller and smaller group (something that occurs with any niche thing, really), though.

I'm not sure exactly what shows/media you're referring to but I was for the most part exposed to anime through the "Japanimation" section in blockbuster video and it was definitely



e: to expand on this kth5k and I were talking specifically the non-forumlaic/assembly line shows, etc. There was a huge amount of experimentation when it came to stuff aimed at adults and hardcore animation fans many years ago but over the years a hardcore animation fan in japan has become a dude first and foremost obsessed with 2D wives, either in reality or in the minds of the people making the media targeted at them.

d0s fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Nov 8, 2016

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

d0s posted:



e: to expand on this kth5k and I were talking specifically the non-forumlaic/assembly line shows, etc. There was a huge amount of experimentation when it came to stuff aimed at adults and hardcore animation fans many years ago but over the years a hardcore animation fan in japan has become a dude first and foremost obsessed with 2D wives, either in reality or in the minds of the people making the media targeted at them.

That kid looks really mixed about being denied his cartoon porno.

And yeah, I think there was a great sense of experimentation, a greater sense of pride of craftsmanship, and all that back in the day. The studios were building something distinct that they could be proud of, at least in Japan, and that also had its own mark on the world at large. Which sounds stupid in the context of shows about giant robots and scantily-clad catgirls, but considering how prevalent cel-based animation was back then, producers and directors and the like had to at least put in some effort to make their work seem distinct or at least aesthetically pleasing to justify the actual production costs. Of course this didn't stop a lot of poo poo from being produced on the cheap and slapped onto VHS tapes as OAVs, but considering how many anime (and manga) gags, references, and tropes it produced that are still considered recognizable or landmark today, there is some merit to the craftsmanship argument.

Today, arguably, a lot of stuff like manga, anime, and video games are easier than ever to develop with advances in computer hardware, graphics editing, and software development, but it seems like so much soul has been sucked out, partly because it's much easier to come up with clean and vibrant stuff that is too pretty, and partly because Japan's media industry (to continue hammering the point home) seems content to rest on its laurels and churn out fan-service and sentimental pandering, rather than risk money on innovation that no one responds to. You don't have to think hard, or deal with strong feelings, or feel overly disappointed - you can just sit back, be spoonfed, and develop an unhealthy fixation (as opposed to appreciation) for (often female and young) characters that are design to press your particular buttons.

At least the manga scene is still kind of vibrant and interesting because the stakes are comparatively lower, and artists get free reign to try out different styles.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



That experimentation was built in an economic bubble where people were hungry for literally anything.

But even then the rest of the world was exposed largely to the good stuff. Mass entertainment hasn't changed, it's all targeting the lowest common denominator. For different reasons it shifted from gore and hentai to something that would sell $100 single episode blu-rays.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
It's like comic books in the 90s, they're trying to pander to an increasingly small portion of the market and shutting out growing market segments.

absolutely anything
Dec 28, 2006

~As for dreams, she has enough and more to spare~
the kirbs got saved

https://twitter.com/frankcifaldi/status/796016016262168576

Kid Fenris
Jan 22, 2004

If someone is reading this...
I must have failed.

d0s posted:

I'm not sure exactly what shows/media you're referring to but I was for the most part exposed to anime through the "Japanimation" section in blockbuster video and it was definitely



e: to expand on this kth5k and I were talking specifically the non-forumlaic/assembly line shows, etc. There was a huge amount of experimentation when it came to stuff aimed at adults and hardcore animation fans many years ago but over the years a hardcore animation fan in japan has become a dude first and foremost obsessed with 2D wives, either in reality or in the minds of the people making the media targeted at them.

We didn't need some dorky kid when we had Manga Man to warn and/or tell us about all the best anime!



You saw this guy on the box, you knew you were at least getting gratuitous violence in your cartoon.


al-azad posted:

That experimentation was built in an economic bubble where people were hungry for literally anything.

But even then the rest of the world was exposed largely to the good stuff. Mass entertainment hasn't changed, it's all targeting the lowest common denominator. For different reasons it shifted from gore and hentai to something that would sell $100 single episode blu-rays.

There's a definite honeymoon phase for any new anime nerd, since they have access to several decades of movies, TV shows, and direct-to-video stuff plus a fan base that lauded anything remotely good. It takes a few disappointments for them to realize that not everything is Cowboy Bebop or Totoro. Imagine if you had never played video games before and just discovered yesterday that you really like them.

Kthulhu5000 posted:

That kid looks really mixed about being denied his cartoon porno.

And yeah, I think there was a great sense of experimentation, a greater sense of pride of craftsmanship, and all that back in the day. The studios were building something distinct that they could be proud of, at least in Japan, and that also had its own mark on the world at large. Which sounds stupid in the context of shows about giant robots and scantily-clad catgirls, but considering how prevalent cel-based animation was back then, producers and directors and the like had to at least put in some effort to make their work seem distinct or at least aesthetically pleasing to justify the actual production costs. Of course this didn't stop a lot of poo poo from being produced on the cheap and slapped onto VHS tapes as OAVs, but considering how many anime (and manga) gags, references, and tropes it produced that are still considered recognizable or landmark today, there is some merit to the craftsmanship argument.

Today, arguably, a lot of stuff like manga, anime, and video games are easier than ever to develop with advances in computer hardware, graphics editing, and software development, but it seems like so much soul has been sucked out, partly because it's much easier to come up with clean and vibrant stuff that is too pretty, and partly because Japan's media industry (to continue hammering the point home) seems content to rest on its laurels and churn out fan-service and sentimental pandering, rather than risk money on innovation that no one responds to. You don't have to think hard, or deal with strong feelings, or feel overly disappointed - you can just sit back, be spoonfed, and develop an unhealthy fixation (as opposed to appreciation) for (often female and young) characters that are design to press your particular buttons.

At least the manga scene is still kind of vibrant and interesting because the stakes are comparatively lower, and artists get free reign to try out different styles.

The anime industry's been in creative retreat for years because pervy fans are the only ones reliably buying anime and merchandise. If you look back at the previous decade and the heart of the American anime bubble (roughly 2000-2006), you'll see anime studios courting mainstream international audiences with stuff like Heat Guy J, Coyote Ragtime Show, L/R: Licensed by Royalty, Ergo Proxy, Gun X Sword, Speed Grapher, Gungrave, and so on. Most of these series flopped, and most of them deserved to (though I'll defend Ergo Proxy). With neither domestic nor overseas customers snapping up everything in sight, anime producers turned to the sole market giving them money on a regular basis. It isn't so much that the industry doesn't want to experiment. It's that they usually can't afford more than a handful of inventive projects each year.

Anyway, back to the prize-grabber machines. They amazed me on my first trip to Japan because they had things I never expected to see, like Last Bronx figures. When I went in 2007, I wasn't as impressed, since the prizes were a mixture of evergreen anime stuff (Evangelion, Gundam) and whatever the latest cutesy anime-girl property was. It was still fun to mess with 'em, though, since they were more forgiving and often used weird mechanics I'd never seen in American prize-catcher cabinets.

Kid Fenris fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 8, 2016

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

Kid Fenris posted:

It isn't so much that the industry doesn't want to experiment.

this is a strange thing to say about a japanese industry as a whole

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

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Glad to see Ergo Proxyname-dropped because it's very good

I have bootleg vhs copies of evangelion in my closet and I have never watched it

Also that SFC30 phone clip thing came and it owns, I wish the angle was adjustable but it's great

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
I really need to get the clip they finally made for the FC30Pro, also they finally released wireless xinput firmware for it so I guess both of my problems with that controller are gone.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




I finally got a RetroPie setup happening with a Raspberry Pi 3B and results were OK, although it's not a massive upgrade from an original Wii; basically GBA and the bulk of PS1 is playable, and a subset of N64 and PSP is also playable, although not perfect in either case so adjust expectations accordingly. You will have to live with home ports of titles like Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct, as well, although everything pre-PS1 runs at full speed.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

univbee posted:

I finally got a RetroPie setup happening with a Raspberry Pi 3B and results were OK, although it's not a massive upgrade from an original Wii; basically GBA and the bulk of PS1 is playable, and a subset of N64 and PSP is also playable, although not perfect in either case so adjust expectations accordingly. You will have to live with home ports of titles like Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct, as well, although everything pre-PS1 runs at full speed.

Are you running it over usb power or a dedicated wall wart? I can play arcade Mortal Kombat 1,2,and 3 at full speed on mine.

Can you play yoshi's island at full speed?

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Crackbone posted:

Are you running it over usb power or a dedicated wall wart? I can play arcade Mortal Kombat 1,2,and 3 at full speed on mine.

Can you play yoshi's island at full speed?

Dedicated wall wart. I admittedly didn't actually attempt to launch the MK games, my understanding is there's some sort of buffer glitch with them. And yeah, Yoshi's Island seems fine on both SNES and GBA; the opening "spinning island" animation seems slow but I don't know if the original game is that way, I only ever played the GBA version on real hardware.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


I got this today for £25.






Not the best price looking at what Ebay says right now but I'm still really happy with it. It looks and feels like it hasn't been used since the PS1's prime. Even the controller analog sticks feel nice and solid rather than ridiculously loose like most old analog sticks. Just dusted it down, wired it up and played some THPS3 and it was drat great. Maybe I'll actually work on getting a collection for this thing given PS1 games don't seem to have spiralled in price like cartridge games.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

njsykora posted:

I got this today for £25.






Not the best price looking at what Ebay says right now but I'm still really happy with it. It looks and feels like it hasn't been used since the PS1's prime. Even the controller analog sticks feel nice and solid rather than ridiculously loose like most old analog sticks. Just dusted it down, wired it up and played some THPS3 and it was drat great. Maybe I'll actually work on getting a collection for this thing given PS1 games don't seem to have spiralled in price like cartridge games.

Neato. I really think THPS3 is the best in the series.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

RZA Encryption posted:

Neato. I really think THPS3 is the best in the series.
It absolutely is, after that they started adding more and more gimmicks and eventually ruined the whole thing with dumb Jackass bullshit. I never played the PS1 version of THPS3, but the PS2 version owned and the Xbox port (which is the one I have now) is just as good.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



RZA Encryption posted:

Neato. I really think THPS3 is the best in the series.

I like the career mode in Underground 1 better, but THPS3 is probably the moment where they hit the right level of trick features.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.
I figure this is the best thing that will happen to me today, you decide what that says about today :toot:

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Caitlin posted:

I figure this is the best thing that will happen to me today, you decide what that says about today :toot:



Nice. 2nd rarest after Jack Bros right?

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Caitlin posted:

I figure this is the best thing that will happen to me today, you decide what that says about today :toot:



I could do with anything funky today. So there's that.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

univbee posted:

Nice. 2nd rarest after Jack Bros right?

As far as I know, but I can't claim I'm the most knowledgable about the rarities of VB games. Loose it ran me about $30 shipped.

8-bit Miniboss posted:

I could do with anything funky today. So there's that.

Yeah. Yeah.

e : really this is because I actually got my Virtual Boy back in what I was told is working condition (remarkable since it has never worked since I had it or the person before me) so I needed to get a game to test with. Just chose the one I wanted the most that wasn't Jack Bros. because lol :retrogames:

Caitlin fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Nov 10, 2016

al-azad
May 28, 2009



Caitlin posted:

I figure this is the best thing that will happen to me today, you decide what that says about today :toot:



Is today your birthday?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



univbee posted:

Nice. 2nd rarest after Jack Bros right?

I thought that there were a couple of Japanese games that were obscenely rare on that level as well, but it's a sweet find.


Let me throw this question out there: what's the most cheerful game you can think of to go back and play? Not for nostalgia, but actually cheerful gaming?

For me it's Katamari Damacy. You can't be sad while you're rolling things up.

Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!

Random Stranger posted:

I thought that there were a couple of Japanese games that were obscenely rare on that level as well, but it's a sweet find.


Let me throw this question out there: what's the most cheerful game you can think of to go back and play? Not for nostalgia, but actually cheerful gaming?

For me it's Katamari Damacy. You can't be sad while you're rolling things up.

Rez for me. Perfect blend of sound and visuals. Maybe not the deepest game but I can go back to it and experience it all over again and again.

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Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

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Random Stranger posted:


Let me throw this question out there: what's the most cheerful game you can think of to go back and play? Not for nostalgia, but actually cheerful gaming?

For me it's Katamari Damacy. You can't be sad while you're rolling things up.

Seconded. The soundtrack is amazingly chill and the game itself is very relaxing.

Non-retro wise, I like relaxing with Elite Dangerous sometimes, I'll put on a good electronic siriusxm station in the background and spend a while cruising around the galaxy.

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