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scorecard is mostly in. http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2016/11/03/on-the-ballot-2016/ contra costa BART expansion, SF Muni funding, sacramento, and san diego lost. both sacramento and san diego were essentially highway building bills with limited transit (sub 30% for either) tacked on. BART's area wide vote for $3.5b in corrective maintenance did pass. other than that, pretty much all the rest passed. that includes the gigantic packages (heh, nice) in both LA and seattle, MARTA expansion in ATL, etc by passing these as local taxes and bonds, it makes them much more likely to survive this lovely republican wasteland in the feds, although they have vowed to pull out all the stops to stunt transit development
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In Santa Cruz the $500m sales tax based transportation measure D passed, which mostly funds highway expansion and street repaving but also gives just over 1/3 to transit and a recreational bike trail, 20% and 17% respectively. I'm not really on board with it and would have rather waited two years for a bill that didn't allocate any funding to highway expansion and allocated more to bike paths for commuters, but oh well :/ Edit: But who the gently caress cares about Santa Cruz anyway ??? Hunter2 Thompson fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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I like santa cruz does everyone there hate that stretch of hwy 1 where it's just a road and gets clogged every weekend? Progressive JPEG fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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I like Santa Cruz too! It's just silly to mention its dinky small-town transportation plans in the same breath as a multi billion dollar BART bond in the *real* Bay Area. You're talking about Mission Street which overlaps CA-1 (for most of Mission Street), right? It's a four-lane road with a 25 mph speed limit and nobody ever obeys it unless they're stuck in traffic, like you said. It kind of reminds me of Embarcadero Road in Palo Alto. Yeah, that's a poorly-planed road and it sucks. Even with sidewalks it's a sketchy road to walk along. Forget biking entirely. Thankfully King Street runs parallel and is good for biking, but you eventually need to cross Mission. Santa Cruz has so many weekend visitors going to the ridiculously walkable downtown and beach areas that it's silly that nobody is running frequency fancy seasonal buses from the South Bay or even seriously talking about it. Hell, there used to be trains to Santa Cruz from Oakland and San Francisco with stops along the way until the construction of CA-17 put them out of business. I wish they'd come back! The train tunnels through the Santa Cruz Mountains were mostly dynamited shut after a big storm washed out the tracks in 1939. I read that some crazy number of Chinese laborers died constructing those same tunnels back in the late 1800s  http://www.santacruztrains.com/2012/07/santa-cruz-main-beach-casino-station.html
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I heard that chinese laborers dug the tunnels but santa cruz was too racist to let them into town so they hired white people to finish it
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qirex posted:I heard that chinese laborers dug the tunnels but santa cruz was too racist to let them into town so they hired white people to finish it I didn't know that, but it's well documented. http://www.santacruzpl.org/history/articles/53/ quote:Santa Cruz and Felton Railroad was constructed in just eight months with all but the Mission Hill tunnel in Santa Cruz built by Chinese. That tunnel was constructed by [thirty-two] Cornish miners, employed because the city of Santa Cruz did not want a large crew of Chinese working in the center of the city. Eight months is such a ridiculously short time, it's just mind-boggling. Hunter2 Thompson fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Dunno where all these transit bills are going to find their construction workers, they'll all be busy building the wall
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nah
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lol defund them of what?
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make the FRA remove the dumbass crash requirements for train cars = billions saved oh wait then we'll just be buying 🚂 from foreigners. never mind then.
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yeah remove safety requirements from our trains so everyone gets obliterated in a crash like in Europe.
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Imagine if we applied the same safety standards to roads as we do trains
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privatize the northeast corridor, and shut down the rest. rip up the rails freight doesn't use, and make rebar or something useful.
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pointsofdata posted:Imagine if we applied the same safety standards to roads as we do trains we do. that's why newer cars are all heavy as poo poo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck the bel air is euro trains and the Malibu is American trains
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Shaggar posted:we do. that's why newer cars are all heavy as poo poo weird how driving is still way more dangerous then
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Shaggar posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck almost, except there should be people actually riding the bel air
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yeah and they'd all be dead.
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and there are plenty of trains with high ridership in the us where they make sense.
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the acela is the best way to traverse the northeast corridor (unless you are literally going DC-BOS in which case reagan<->logan is better)
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that belair crash was staged as it both didn't have an engine in the bay, and is an x frame car which should have obvious safety disadvantages.
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Bloody posted:the acela is the best way to traverse the northeast corridor (unless you are literally going DC-BOS in which case reagan<->logan is better) the acela and the northeast corridor loving suck
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Shaggar posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck "old cars are better because they feel more solid, that's what you want in a collision 3 tons of steel and iron that just plows through whatever's in front of it" -a ton of idiots who would still believe that even after watching this video
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I think its the coolest thing seeing devastating hits on newer cars with no intrusion into the safety cage.
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qirex posted:"old cars are better because they feel more solid, that's what you want in a collision 3 tons of steel and iron that just plows through whatever's in front of it" blugu64 posted:that belair crash was staged as it both didn't have an engine in the bay, and is an x frame car which should have obvious safety disadvantages.
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the lack of engine probably just meant that the test dummy didn't get impaled on the steering column as the block traveled through the firewall into the passenger cabin
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yeah the frame on the bel air is fragile trash just like euro trains. remember when that train crashed in NJ and destroyed part of the platform and nobody on the train died? if it had been a euro train half of it would have crumpled up killing or maiming anyone in the front.
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Euro trains let people use them instead of driving, which is a big win
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euro trains telescope. telescoping trains are extremely bad
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It doesn't matter though because it's still orders of magnitude safer than driving. Keeping costs down and getting more people to take the train instead of driving is much more important than making trains safer
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straight from the train advocates "passenger train safety doesn't matter". wow.
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Bloody posted:euro trains telescope. telescoping trains are extremely bad not really but also you get twice as many euro trains for the price and they last longer with cheaper maintenance. considering the death and accident rate for trains (low) vs cars (high), if more trains on a wider network means less car drivers, youve saved massive amounts of lives.
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blugu64 posted:straight from the train advocates "passenger train safety doesn't matter". wow. it's already dramatically better than car safety though
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the numbers for the usa are even worse, even though the eu ones include ex soviet places
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I'd guess that has more to do with under-funding on maintenance and lack of modernization on the control systems leading to increases in the incident rate even if each one is potentially less lethal
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I'd guess that has more to do with under-funding on maintenance and lack of modernization on the control systems leading to increases in the incident rate even if each one is potentially less lethal I was referring to car fatality rates. Ive never been able to find comparable ones for rail stuff. Let me know if you do!
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wow so rail travel is significantly more dangerous then air travel. good to know.
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blugu64 posted:wow so rail travel is significantly more dangerous then air travel. good to know. you didn't already know that? IIRC from that HOPE talk about elevator hacking, elevators are safer than airplanes
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