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I just want to add this about Bernie, and this comes from someone who was one of the first 30,000 or so who voted for him (Iowa). He lost. Even with the party working against him, and actively wanting one candidate. He lost by 3.7 million votes, over 10% of the total votes cast. In your heart of hearts, do you really think he would have won absent some backroom dealing? Keep this in mind, in 2008 the party desparately, desparately wanted Hillary. Obama got more votes and despite FLAGRANT chicanery like Florida/Michigan delegate whining, he became the nominee. Bernie simply did not do well with the populations that the Democratic party now depends on (minorities) to justify ignoring HIllary's win. Was it right that the party clearly preferred and favored one candidate? No. Did it make a difference? I don't think so. You can mount a compelling argument that the process should be changed. But in the process as run, Bernie lost. He may have been right about what the electorate at large wanted, but he lost. At this point, I think you can say that the Clinton's hosed the whole thing because they sucked the air out of the party for 16 years and convinced or cajoled everyone in the org that Hillary's time had come so when the time came her platform seemed the most effective. That doesn't make the system rigged, it makes it politics.
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Bholder posted:So after all this we are the ones considering violent revolts. imagine if trump won the popular and lost the general
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LastInLine posted:Honestly a Trump presidency is probably preferable to any other GOP candidate. Almost all of the things that a progressive fears would have come true under any one of them but at least with Trump there is an intra-party power struggle that will make enacting policy more difficult. Plus I'd argue that from a policy standpoint Trump is not an ideologue which is something you can't say about any other GOP candidate. You might not like the things he believes in, but he isn't a party shill--he's actually a true believer. That means that he'll be unwilling to compromise on those things, which is basically the enemy of actually getting them through. The age of the unified left and infighting right has come. Just as Clinton planned.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:https://twitter.com/acidhunk/status/796097256206151680 i hate these idiots.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:*c-spam cracks their knuckles* My sister is in the hospital. My apartment fell out on me and I'm looking for a place to stay. And I got turned into a corncob. https://twitter.com/awt2006/status/796284364074037248
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Big protest in NYC right now. https://www.facebook.com/100009298821790/videos/vb.100009298821790/1712925979027346/?type=2&theater
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Pook Good Mook posted:I just want to add this about Bernie, and this comes from someone who was one of the first 30,000 or so who voted for him (Iowa). bernie lost because hillary was believed to be more electable in a general and welp
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The no leaders on the left thing is actually pretty disappointing. I'm always telling people that I can when I'm interacting with left groups. If you see someone well spoken and vocal on the left, please for the love of god FORCE them to the front. Throw the loving megaphone at them and put them up on a car against their will if you have to because holy gently caress do we need leaders on the left that can rally people.
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Coatlicue posted:Thank you to the goon(s) that kept posting "death is certain" last night....you got me through the worst of it. you are welcome, sorry i could not do more but some boring mod probated me
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euphronius posted:After long consideration I have decided -of all the people to blame- we should blame white people Probably a good idea. After all, you can easily win elections without them. Oh wait... So when white people are shown sentiments like the one you're expressing, do you think they'll be more or less willing to listen to your concerns?
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Darkman Fanpage posted:i hate these idiots. they are incapable of understanding much at all why people are not fans of their antics which makes them even more easy to utterly despise
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LastInLine posted:Probably a good idea. After all, you can easily win elections without them. Oh wait... Less Check mate
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euphronius posted:After long consideration I have decided -of all the people to blame- we should blame white people identity politics arent cool bro!!
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Tiler Kiwi posted:imagine if trump won the popular and lost the general No, you see it's totally different when they do it. Then they oppose the idea of democracy, they are terrorists. Us? We uphold democracy, we are freedom fighters!
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NecroMonster posted:you are welcome, sorry i could not do more but some boring mod probated me the reports coming in from your posts were clogging up the reports forum. also image spamming is bad.
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Pomp posted:The age of the unified left and infighting right has come. Just as Clinton planned. Or Trump? 😉
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LastInLine posted:You might not like the things he believes in, but he isn't a party shill--he's actually a true believer. Which is why he looks like he's being sent to prison. He doesn't believe in anything other than a good time and he just signed up to be president
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Jazerus posted:you are still underestimating idiot cheeto hitler
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also this just cements my conviction that hillary -> obama would have been a muuuuuuch better order for them to run in than obama -> hillary can you imagine a timeline where a battle-scarred but lively hillary just passed the baton to a more experienced obama? setting aside whether trump would have ever run without the white house correspondent's dinner thing, obama would have crushed trump
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Trash Trick posted:identity politics arent cool bro!! It just won an upset election so yes I agree
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Homework Explainer posted:again: keith ellison I dunno man, I love Keith Ellison and was proud to vote for him this year, but I think he's way too meek to run for prez.
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cheese eats mouse posted:Big protest in NYC right now. the gently caress's the point?
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Jazerus posted:also this just cements my conviction that hillary -> obama would have been a muuuuuuch better order for them to run in than obama -> hillary There is still the fact that huge swaths of people want "change" after 8 years
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I like Bernie but he lost because of huge amounts of political fuckery and being essentially hamstrung by his party. So at the end of the day there's nothing to be upset about because that's just politics folks 
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logikv9 posted:the reports coming in from your posts were clogging up the reports forum. also image spamming is bad. it's just a tease, i ain't mad
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Darkman Fanpage posted:the gently caress's the point? Being angry, something the broader left needs to loving remember how to do.
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Beet Wagon posted:I like Bernie but he lost because of huge amounts of political fuckery and being essentially hamstrung by his party. So at the end of the day there's nothing to be upset about because that's just politics folks Politics are part of elections yes
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Sure I liked Lincoln, but he got murdered. That's politics bitch
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Tiler Kiwi posted:we joked how fast the right turned on Romney but man, it's pretty drat therapeutic now that the shoe is on the other foot Nobody new is coming out against Clinton. A bunch of us just stopped posting because C-SPAM turned in to a Clinton hugbox and are back now.
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Well, when we go to war with Iran, luckily I do not think that this Republican-controlled House and Senate will institute a female draft. Enjoy dying
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euphronius posted:It just won an upset election so yes I agree 
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Grey Fox posted:Orrrrrrrrrrrrrr Pence is a lot scarier than Trump
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Jazerus posted:also this just cements my conviction that hillary -> obama would have been a muuuuuuch better order for them to run in than obama -> hillary i dunno if you can confidently say at this point that hillary would've beaten mccain. seems kind of absurd on nov 9th 2016
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Bholder posted:No, you see it's totally different when they do it. Then they oppose the idea of democracy, they are terrorists. if you wanna get real about deontological v. teleological ethics, why yes i do believe there is a moral difference between wanting to kill all the Nazis v. wanting to kill all the gays
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Doorknob Slobber posted:The no leaders on the left thing is actually pretty disappointing. I'm always telling people that I can when I'm interacting with left groups. If you see someone well spoken and vocal on the left, please for the love of god FORCE them to the front. Throw the loving megaphone at them and put them up on a car against their will if you have to because holy gently caress do we need leaders on the left that can rally people. You get those by winning state legislatures and you win those by appealing to suburban and rural white people because all but a handful of states are dominated by those areas. But I've been reading ITT that we should all be "gently caress white people" so I hope the five states Democrats can carry is enough to fill the backbench otherwise things aren't looking up.
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GrimGypsy posted:Pence is a lot scarier than Trump
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