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FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Pook Good Mook posted:

I just want to add this about Bernie, and this comes from someone who was one of the first 30,000 or so who voted for him (Iowa).

He lost. Even with the party working against him, and actively wanting one candidate. He lost by 3.7 million votes, over 10% of the total votes cast. In your heart of hearts, do you really think he would have won absent some backroom dealing?

Keep this in mind, in 2008 the party desparately, desparately wanted Hillary. Obama got more votes and despite FLAGRANT chicanery like Florida/Michigan delegate whining, he became the nominee. Bernie simply did not do well with the populations that the Democratic party now depends on (minorities) to justify ignoring HIllary's win.

Was it right that the party clearly preferred and favored one candidate? No. Did it make a difference? I don't think so. You can mount a compelling argument that the process should be changed. But in the process as run, Bernie lost. He may have been right about what the electorate at large wanted, but he lost. At this point, I think you can say that the Clinton's hosed the whole thing because they sucked the air out of the party for 16 years and convinced or cajoled everyone in the org that Hillary's time had come so when the time came her platform seemed the most effective. That doesn't make the system rigged, it makes it politics.

The DNC gave his opponent debate questions ahead of time.

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Droo
Jun 25, 2003

Beet Wagon posted:

I like Bernie but he lost because of huge amounts of political fuckery and being essentially hamstrung by his party. So at the end of the day there's nothing to be upset about because that's just politics folks :v:

Bernie wasn't a democrat his whole life. I like Bernie and I caucused for him the primary, but it is weird to expect the democratic party to welcome him with open arms when he became a democrat like 5 minutes earlier just so he could run for president.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Zas posted:

i dunno if you can confidently say at this point that hillary would've beaten mccain. seems kind of absurd on nov 9th 2016

a sack of potatoes could have beaten him once the recession started, obama's skill was wasted on 08

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Darkman Fanpage posted:

the gently caress's the point?

fuckign fight you coward

when did the left lose its spirit

you fuckers joke about death by guillotine and poo poo but when push comes to shove you get red in the face and start stumbling "oh no-no-no-bubhhe uh we de wop doe goo wap" like ben loving lesnick

grab a rifle and the red flag you loving pussy

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
this can all be a russian scheme and it'll turn out the votes were hacked or something still right

putin are you listening???

putin you won!!

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

we could right now be celebrating the election of a democratic socialist to the presidency.

destroy the democratic party

in the "good" reality bernie sanders is president and all is right with the world

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Zas posted:

i dunno if you can confidently say at this point that hillary would've beaten mccain. seems kind of absurd on nov 9th 2016

I think it would've been a very different kind of election. To be honest, having read game change, and some other poo poo, I think that Obama's worst legacy will be introducing a certain kind of celebrity to politics. It is going to be expected now, but it is completely anathema to have a lot of politicians got to where they are. I am not convinced it makes for a very good politician either.

And remember how annoying it was to see the people wearing cowboy boots during bush years? Obama really brought that smug liberalism out. Even a lot of us found it very cloying

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

Still laughing, great election!

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS

FuriousxGeorge posted:

The DNC gave his opponent debate questions ahead of time.

Yes, questions about Flint in Flint would've been unexpected.

Taco Duck
Feb 18, 2011


Unshook. I have developed a fail proof plan to destroy the Trump administration with thousands of mostly frivolous FOIArequests. Youre welcome in advance.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Serious chat :

We underestimate the effect of 25 years of anti Hillary propaganda . She could never win. White voters were activated to vote against her or not vote by trumps trigger words.

Bernie bros knew this they were always right I know now

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
all you fuckin milk drinkers need to stop with the defeatist bullshit

oh woe is me im gonna cry and moan and whine and be so shook im depressed

you gotta get mad

get mean

speak the only language that the GOP understands and that is to say gently caress you and fight them at every opportunity

march in the streets and get your drat voice out there.

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

Phi230 posted:

I was thinking this exact thing!

I was thinking how we don't have leaders in the community to drive us forward anymore.

No more Malcoms. No more Huey Newtons. No more MLKs, no more JFKs or RFKs.

Who is our Woodie Guthrie? Bob Dylan?

Where are the prominent people?

We have them but haven't been giving them the attention they deserve. I mean, I love Beyonce but her brand of feminism is very safe and very neoliberal-friendly. There are artists and activists on the fringe that we need to boost. And, hopefully, we don't consider them fringe this time around.

VirtualStranger
Aug 20, 2012

:lol:


This is basically pointing the finger at the DNC without actually saying it outright.

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


Phi230 posted:

fuckign fight you coward

when did the left lose its spirit

you fuckers joke about death by guillotine and poo poo but when push comes to shove you get red in the face and start stumbling "oh no-no-no-bubhhe uh we de wop doe goo wap" like ben loving lesnick

grab a rifle and the red flag you loving pussy

havin gun control regrets already?

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Darkman Fanpage posted:

the gently caress's the point?

Warning to the establishment: let trump gently caress the nation and it will be this times a thousand in every urban area across the entire country.

This is a good and beautiful thing and I wish I was there.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

CortezFantastic posted:

Yes, questions about Flint in Flint would've been unexpected.

So why tell her?

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
im gonna get a "bernie was right" tattoo as penance

Pook Good Mook
Aug 6, 2013


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Raskolnikov38 posted:

bernie lost because hillary was believed to be more electable in a general and welp

That's right. But that doesn't mean that Bernie was more electable. Maybe he could have convinced people who are normally Republican to vote for him enough to make up his defecit among minorities but I'm not so sure. Hillary won 14 of the largest 15 states in the country, most of which always vote for the Democratic candidate.

There are two things I'm trying to say. One, even though the party wanted Hillary and always has, that doesn't mean that the "rigging" stole it from Bernie, he factually still got 3.7 million less votes and if a"revolution" is side-tracked by a debate schedule and internal support the revolution was never going to happen. Second, Hillary's obvious failures in running her campaign don't make the argument that got her elected inherently wrong.

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

I'm the metaphor of a prop glass ceiling unbroken

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Phi230 posted:

fuckign fight you coward

when did the left lose its spirit

you fuckers joke about death by guillotine and poo poo but when push comes to shove you get red in the face and start stumbling "oh no-no-no-bubhhe uh we de wop doe goo wap" like ben loving lesnick

grab a rifle and the red flag you loving pussy

Red staters would take over the cities where liberals are holed up within a matter of days. When the revolution comes, it'll be going the other direction. You'd never even see the Iowa state line.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Droo posted:

Bernie wasn't a democrat his whole life. I like Bernie and I caucused for him the primary, but it is weird to expect the democratic party to welcome him with open arms when he became a democrat like 5 minutes earlier just so he could run for president.

And yet weirdly democratic constituents seemed to like him. :shrug: I dunno maybe the DNC is playing the long game or something.

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



Thoguh posted:

Nobody new is coming out against Clinton. A bunch of us just stopped posting because C-SPAM turned in to a Clinton hugbox and are back now.

Where did you all go, anyway? I was so lonely and had to settle for being excited about trouncing trump (which at the time seemed inevitable, even if it meant clinton as president)

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

VirtualStranger posted:



This is basically pointing the finger at the DNC without actually saying it outright.

This shows the path to trump creating a electoral behemoth . I don't know if he can take it tho

Nairbo
Jan 2, 2005

Pick posted:

I am still not disappointed and Hillary. I'm disappointed in the voters.

Women, you hosed up. Latinos, you hosed up. Blue-collar workers, you hosed up. African-Americans, you hosed up. You need to shoe the gently caress up, and you need to know we were actually voting for. not a single demographic fail to be a disappointment.

Your candidate was the worst candidate in my lifetime and likely many lifetimes.

Don't blame the electorate. It wasn't just racists voting for him, though it largely was. Hillary was just a loving AWFUL candidate and many people said and repeated this for good reason.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Ebrnie

Was

Right

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.
Any chance the usps gets abolished? I thought that had always been a pipe dream of republicans

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

That DICK! posted:

I'm the metaphor of a prop glass ceiling unbroken

lol

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
You guys will find that with time this guy might be up there with Louie Gohmert in the "GOP politician that says really crazy poo poo" category.

http://www.startribune.com/craig-and-lewis-locked-in-tight-battle-in-minnesota-s-second-district/400484461/

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

LastInLine posted:

Red staters would take over the cities where liberals are holed up within a matter of days. When the revolution comes, it'll be going the other direction. You'd never even see the Iowa state line.

my point being that you gotta rise and make a loving ruckus that can't be ignored

get loving mad and make sure the nation hears us and we never let them forget it

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
The average American did not see Hamilton and did not care about it
The average American does not know anybody gender fluid
The average American really does not care if they see a picture of Obama holding a light saber
The average American did not know what net neutrality was
The average American did not understand why they would pay more for health insurance when supposedly health insurance got fixed
The average American was mad about the government shutdown because They couldn't go to the park
The average American thinks that all lives matter

The Democrats have been really focused on their highly liberal cities for a long time. But even in Oregon, as soon as you get out of Portland, guess what? Everybody loving hates Portland. And we still went blue.

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

slave to my cravings posted:

Any chance the usps gets abolished? I thought that had always been a pipe dream of republicans

think about anything good or valuable the federal or state governments do

republicans oppose it

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe

Rinkles posted:

Every few hours the weight of what just happened hits me afresh. Can't quite escape the state of disbelief.

same fam

same :geno:

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

Tiler Kiwi posted:

a dark part of me feels some happiness that a great deal of trump voters and stay at homers will be stuck with dismay after the healthcare debacle results in even more of them having their lives personally crushed, but not only is this a terrible line of thought and doesn't make up all the upcoming suffering for the people that don't deserve it, but the fellows in question will be too loving stupid to put two and two together. like a pack of sorry rear end, dumb gently caress dogs, never understanding why the prefect master who loves them all took a baseball bat to their craniums, bleeding out in misery in the streets, whimpering in fetid, uncomprehending self pity.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

slave to my cravings posted:

Any chance the usps gets abolished? I thought that had always been a pipe dream of republicans

No, because it is stipulated in the constitution

Oiled and Ready
Oct 11, 2004

He wished it could be as respectable and orthodox as spying. But somehow in his hands the traditional tools and attitudes were always employed toward mean ends: cloak for a laundry sack, dagger to peel potatoes, dossiers to fill up dead Sunday afternoons ...

Pook Good Mook posted:

He lost by 3.7 million votes, over 10% of the total votes cast. In your heart of hearts, do you really think he would have won absent some backroom dealing?

And superdelegate psychology deflation, and media collusion.

Yes.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

MaxxBot posted:

You guys will find that with time this guy might be up there with Louie Gohmert in the "GOP politician that says really crazy poo poo" category.

http://www.startribune.com/craig-and-lewis-locked-in-tight-battle-in-minnesota-s-second-district/400484461/

yikes MN. just fuckin yikes

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


lol nothing matters

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS

FuriousxGeorge posted:

So why tell her?

Cause Donna Brazile is a loving moron who thought she was helping instead of just stating the obvious. Not arguing for her doing, more what she shared was loving obvious.

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Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Lord of Pie posted:

lol nothing matters

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