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SoggyBobcat posted:Why not? Turnabout is fair play. Republicans weren't electorally punished for it, why would Democrats? It didn't help Republicans and when you let Republicans gently caress over the functioning of government you play into their narrative the government can't work. Meanwhile real people who need their government get hosed.
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Trabisnikof posted:The question is, where would benefit Russia if we got involved militarily? I'm sure Russia would love revenge for the Crimean War.
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Imapanda posted:So i'm guessing the left is gonna take an example of the right from the past 8 years and democratic obstructionism is gonna begin fullswing against Trump once he begins passing legislation? We've complained about it so much over the past few years, but I cant help to see the irony, even when its probably for an actual better good to fight against whatever vile policies he wants pushed forward. I mean, it literally doesn't matter. The Republicans have 51 in the Senate and control of the house. To get rid of the Fillibuster takes 51 votes. If the party is properly whipped Democrats can do gently caress all. The only hope is that a few idiots like Cruz or Graham try to play the Leiberman card and drag poo poo out on pet issues or refuse to play ball on things like roaming immigration sqauds.
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Nov 10, 2016 03:11
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Trabisnikof posted:It didn't help Republicans and when you let Republicans gently caress over the functioning of government you play into their narrative the government can't work. In this case, though, obstruction is trying to stop the government from getting worse.
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Crowsbeak posted:You show your party you stand for something. Stand for what exactly? You'll have to cave eventually, just like the Republicans did. Meanwhile you've given them more ammo in the fight against "bad government." If you don't cave then Republicans will gain enough popular opinion to remove whatever filibuster or legislative trick you were using. Pretty much this: corn in the bible posted:the democrats will show that they stand for ineffectually flailing at the gop while they remove the filibuster
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Trabisnikof posted:It didn't help Republicans and when you let Republicans gently caress over the functioning of government you play into their narrative the government can't work. Either way people who need their government are hosed cause the game plan laid out by Trump today is 
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negromancer posted:This would make sense if pussygate hadn't happened. Me too, I'm so happy that people I don't like are going to get raped now! I'm a well adjusted human being!
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Trabisnikof posted:It didn't help Republicans and when you let Republicans gently caress over the functioning of government you play into their narrative the government can't work. gently caress, I don't know. I just wish the Dems would get angry and show some spine and fight.
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Lemming posted:In this case, though, obstruction is trying to stop the government from getting worse. Ah yes the "suffocate the patient until Trump & Republicans approves Obamacare again" method. SoggyBobcat posted:That's why you shift the narrative to the Democrats fighting back against Trump and keeping Dems energized. But you don't shift the narrative in a positive way by walking into a fight you can't win.
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SoggyBobcat posted:That's why you shift the narrative to the Democrats fighting back against Trump and keeping Dems energized. And do what? There are no rhetorical or legislative tricks to pull. They're all gone. Republicans rule the bureaucracy utterly for a minimum of 2 years and can do whatever the gently caress they can get all Republican Senators to agree to. whole lot of people are going to die. horribly.
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SoggyBobcat posted:That's why you shift the narrative to the Democrats fighting back against Trump and keeping Dems energized. Why oh why didn't the Dems nominate Howard Beale? =(
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Trabisnikof posted:It didn't help Republicans and when you let Republicans gently caress over the functioning of government you play into their narrative the government can't work. It didn't? They just won the Presidency.
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Zore posted:And do what? The only people that are going to die are those who can't handle the mental strain of someone they disagree with winning an election.
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Zore posted:And do what? W Bush but more overtly racist
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:Me too, I'm so happy that people I don't like are going to get raped now! I'm a well adjusted human being! Man that's cool how you read that into someone saying female Trump voters are likely hypocrites. Good job telling off that guy who totally said he hopes those women get raped. edit: Bulgogi Hoagie posted:The only people that are going to die are those who can't handle the mental strain of someone they disagree with winning an election. https://twitter.com/ZachStafford/status/796487996405063680 Hey you know what actually just go gently caress yourself, some people are facing the prospect of increased violence when they are already among the most disproportionately targeted groups for violence and sexual assault and among the highest for risk of suicide. It's definitely just them being weak and not that the VP is on record as being extremely anti-LGBT and there is a very real possibility of many of these people not being able to afford, or in some areas not being allowed to get the drugs needed to start/continue their transition. PKJC fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Zore posted:I mean, it literally doesn't matter. The Republicans have 51 in the Senate and control of the house. To get rid of the Fillibuster takes 51 votes. Is there a large chance of that even passing? The split is almost straight down the middle. Couldn't it just be a big slapfight with a chance of it going nowhere? I have a gut feeling they're gonna get rid of it immediately though. 
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Imapanda posted:So i'm guessing the left is gonna take an example of the right from the past 8 years and democratic obstructionism is gonna begin fullswing against Trump once he begins passing legislation? You joking? Of course they won't. I've kind of been telling myself that I'm glad the people who voted for Hillary aren't going full VOTER FRAUD DEAD PEOPLE ILLEGALS like the GOP would have done if the election went the opposite way, and that now it's time for Trump and his supporters to either put up or shut up. He says abhorrent things and his 100 day document is mostly awful but he hasn't done anything aside from being a terrible person yet so all we can do is wait and see. Also alcohol. Lots of alcohol. Good thing wine is like $4 here.
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corn in the bible posted:btw democrats will never win another election again This was said every day everywhere on this very forums about the GOP up until yesterday.
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PKJC posted:Man that's cool how you read that into someone saying female Trump voters are likely hypocrites. Good job telling off that guy who totally said he hopes those women get raped. Saying that sexual assault will go up because a republican got elected is nothing but a reflection of the inner state of the one making the assertion.
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Imapanda posted:This was said every day everywhere on this very forums about the GOP up until yesterday. i didn't say it, because i wasn't loving stupid
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:The only people that are going to die are those who can't handle the mental strain of someone they disagree with winning an election. also the people who's medicaid gets cut because the state moves to a block grant and 'whoops' looks like we can't fund all those patients so some of them are cut. and then they die. or the people with pre-existing conditions who lose their healthcare and can't afford the new plans. And then can't get a new plan because no one will insure them. they die or the hosiptals that literally cannot afford to stay open with taxes and government spending cut to the bone all the people relying on them die
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:So, lying to them, I guess? Those jobs aren't fuckin' coming back. Worked for Trump, didn't it?
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Crowsbeak posted:It didn't? They just won the Presidency. Lol you don't really think the government shutdowns under Obama is why Trump won and Republicans did well. Bulgogi Hoagie posted:Saying that sexual assault will go up because a republican got elected is nothing but a reflection of the inner state of the one making the assertion. It's not because he's a Republican it is because he brags about sexually assualting women.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:Saying that sexual assault will go up because a republican got elected is nothing but a reflection of the inner state of the one making the assertion. Nah it's actually because of the environment created by the Trump campaign itself but thanks for playing. An open bigot who was caught on tape bragging about sexual assault being voted president will definitely not embolden the types of people who would commit those crimes, no sirree.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:Me too, I'm so happy that people I don't like are going to get raped now! I'm a well adjusted human being! How in the ever living gently caress did you parse this as what was posted?
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Zore posted:also the people who's medicaid gets cut because the state moves to a block grant and 'whoops' looks like we can't fund all those patients so some of them are cut. This has already happened in Arizona under Jan Brewer: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/News/arizona-transplant-deaths/story?id=12559369#.UaOZIJXEJz9
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Trabisnikof posted:Stand for what exactly? You don't think their going to do that, day 1. How cute. Trabisnikof posted:Lol you don't really think the government shutdowns under Obama is why Trump won and Republicans did well. Did it hurt them? NO.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:The only people that are going to die are those who can't handle the mental strain of someone they disagree with winning an election. The only soldiers who are affected by PTSD are the weak 
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PKJC posted:Nah it's actually because of the environment created by the Trump campaign itself but thanks for playing. An open bigot who was caught on tape bragging about sexual assault being voted president will definitely not embolden the types of people who would commit those crimes, no sirree. Oh come on. I'm as far left as you can get without being a jar of patchouli oil but a bigot being elected president is not going to flip a switch in people's minds to go out and grab some strange pussy.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:Saying that sexual assault will go up because a republican got elected is nothing but a reflection of the inner state of the one making the assertion. A sexual predator got elected. Read the comments today on my sister's Facebook wall where her coworkers (Coast Guard) joke about grabbing pussies to MAGA. This is real poo poo and as a country we've just enabled the gently caress out of it.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:The only people that are going to die are those who can't handle the mental strain of someone they disagree with winning an election. and trans people i guess
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:The only people that are going to die are those who can't handle the mental strain of someone they disagree with winning an election. Or people with pre-existing health conditions, I suppose.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:Me too, I'm so happy that people I don't like are going to get raped now! I'm a well adjusted human being! Who said I was happy? I'm saying they will receive no support from WoC when they inevitably get things like birth control removed from things like workplace health insurance, which would affect their group more than any other, but WoC will remember they voted for a rapist who was going to do just that and will receive no help from them. White feminists left WoC out to dry, so the same will probably occur now that they've basically written it into stone that solidarity was a myth.
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Crowsbeak posted:You don't think their going to do that, day 1. How cute. Then why argue Democrats should do something then say "oh sweetie they won't even be allowed to do it" when it is pointed out to be a bad idea. Republicans are arguing "government bad" so sabotaging the government helps their argument and hurts Democrats. mintskoal posted:Oh come on. I'm as far left as you can get without being a jar of patchouli oil but a bigot being elected president is not going to flip a switch in people's minds to go out and grab some strange pussy. The Klan is out celebrating, the Trump effect is well documented in school and you think it won't have any effect on the culture even as he smugly dismissed it all as "locker room talk"?
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mintskoal posted:Oh come on. I'm as far left as you can get without being a jar of patchouli oil but a bigot being elected president is not going to flip a switch in people's minds to go out and grab some strange pussy. It would be cool if you were correct but I wasn't referring to people not already disposed to do so. Some crimes are crimes of opportunity and guess what will happen if the types of people who would be willing to assault someone in the first place feel like the chances of them getting called on it have dropped significantly.
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SoggyBobcat posted:Why not? Turnabout is fair play. Republicans weren't electorally punished for it, why would Democrats? Democrats are loving poo poo at messaging and their voters don't turn out for midterms, unlike Republicans, who are both and will be energized as gently caress to punish the Democrats for preventing the Republicans from MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
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