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Plank Walker posted:I think it was a bad idea to pivot at the last minute to a message of a continuation of the last 8 years. I'm sure it was motivated by Obama's approval rating and trying to get out the minority vote, but it's a passive stance, and the electorate wants someone who's going to do something. It could have worked, but the campaign seemed reluctant to provide actual specifics on what a continuation of the Obama presidency meant. The Dems never seemed to make a coherent argument on the issues. We all saw the same Clinton ads over and over again of little kids looking at Trump on the TV, or whatever. And all those ads did nothing but ensure that we'll all be seeing Trump on the TV for a long time to come.
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One thing that can't be ignored is that eight years of obstinate refusal to work with Obama and Democrats in Congress seems to have paid off. Not to say that it's just the Republicans at fault here, not by a long shot, but this is the opposition they're dealing with and Democrats need to learn how to deal with that. Because the Republicans we have now are never going to give Democrats anything in return for playing nice and making a bunch of concessions.
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there's not going to be another obama any time soon, in terms of campaign skills. there probably won't be another bernie either, in terms of ability to deliver a message about income inequality in a charismatic way. but that doesn't mean we can't win.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:19
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The rust belt was just as lovely economically in 2012. Republicans put up someone who came off like everyone's rear end in a top hat boss, sang his praises about what a skilled technocrat he was, and told people to hold their nose and vote for him. They swung a great big miss on Romney, then the DNC looked at that and said "hmmm yes good plan let's do that in four years."
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Nov 10, 2016 04:21
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:This is the Come to Lenin moment I crave. Yep. I just hope there are a whole lot more of them
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Adventure Pigeon posted:It's a small lesson, but next time avoid shining the light on Lena Dunham, Lady Gaga, and their ilk. I doubt you could find two people that better embody the stereotype of a wealthy coastal liberal that doesn't understand or give a poo poo about anyone outside their bubble. This deserves to be quoted. I can think of very few left-wing icons that are less likable than Lena Dunham the fat exhibitionist pedophile, or Lady Gaga the... seriously jesus christ what the gently caress were they thinking.
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HannibalBarca posted:It could have worked, but the campaign seemed reluctant to provide actual specifics on what a continuation of the Obama presidency meant. The Dems never seemed to make a coherent argument on the issues. We all saw the same Clinton ads over and over again of little kids looking at Trump on the TV, or whatever. And all those ads did nothing but ensure that we'll all be seeing Trump on the TV for a long time to come. Ah yes, this tested extremely well with the Helen Lovejoy demographic
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Nov 10, 2016 04:22
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KiteAuraan posted:present a unified populist vision to people moving forward. highlight that it is the forces of global capitalism that have failed them, that the jobs they want, high paying manufacturing jobs, are never coming back, that unless they accept a hellfucked environment and $1.00 a day wages they will never have a textile factory in south carolina again. highlight how Trump is a loving liar, how he promised them something he can't deliver, how he is NOT their voice, he just lies to them for power and prestige. hammer hard on how he and the republicans are failing them. use the mass support for minimum wage increases (an increase to $12 an hour passed in loving arizona, goddamn) to highlight how the republicans want to take that away from them, and they'll have to fight with vote and union to stop them. show them that Trump is the very jetsetting global elite that is loving them and that it is not the workers of the developing world who are ruining them, those are just poor souls even more hosed by the elite than they. give them data and info in a digestible form about the Koch brothers, the capitalists, the bankers and multinational global elites, who live in the united states, but are not their saviors or their allies. tell them that coal is dead globally, the price is never going to rise, that you may have work but it will be for below-poverty wages with little to no safety. offer them hope from that in government programs to retrain, and if they can't retrain, a GMI to let them live comfortably. sell it as coming from higher taxes on the us-based global capitalist that is ruining them. do that and you'll get back the people who split for Trump, you'll wide the wave and gently caress it, you will goddamn try. The part where you say the textile factory isn't ever coming back and then don't really say what, if anything, is coming? That's where this actually falls apart.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:22
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It's so loving unbelievable to me that despite general feelings the economy isn't healthy for low and middle class families, the DNC really expected all of the Hope and Change crowd to just show up and vote again without any additional plans or at least promises Also, being a Hispanic myself, it makes me loving sick that the Democrats consistently expect me to vote for them simply because the Republicans said a few racist things. Patronizing me is more repulsive than hating me, at least in my book. Anyway I voted for la Riva because I put my vote where my mouth is
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mrmcd posted:The rust belt was just as lovely economically in 2012. Republicans put up someone who came off like everyone's rear end in a top hat boss, sang his praises about what a skilled technocrat he was, and told people to hold their nose and vote for him. 
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:This deserves to be quoted. I can think of very few left-wing icons that are less likable than Lena Dunham the fat exhibitionist pedophile, or Lady Gaga the... seriously jesus christ what the gently caress were they thinking. https://twitter.com/BronzeHammer/status/794215575576870912
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How does the Democratic Party try better next time? Don't anoint a chosen candidate years in advance. Don't stomp out the flames of the populist candidate who brought fire and vigor from a new group just because he wasn't the groomed heir apparent. Especially don't fix the issue of the populist candidate ruining everything by stacking the odds in the primaries against him all because people are excited and have the audacity to vote for him and not your choice as they are told. Really shouldn't further alienate these 30-50% of prospective voters by telling them they're wrong and need to get in line. Then when your poo poo candidate proceeds to absolutely tank in approval polls, don't just keep on full steam ahead without any change in message. Especially when the current populist sentiment on both sides of the aisle is gently caress the establishment and your girl couldn't possibly be any more textbook definition of establishment. Pushing through a candidate nobody wants is a great way to assure defeat when their only recourse is to just not bother voting.
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:This deserves to be quoted. I can think of very few left-wing icons that are less likable than Lena Dunham the fat exhibitionist pedophile, or Lady Gaga the... seriously jesus christ what the gently caress were they thinking.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:24
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venom snake, you said you wanted to discuss how to move forward? can you teach us cqc?
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. owns and does anyone know if epic high five still has his head attached to his neck?
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:Someone who wanted the millennial vote but was completely out of touch. Not even millenials like Lena Dunham. Every single TV show she ever showed up on cratered horribly in the ratings for whatever episode no matter how much clothing she removed.
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:This deserves to be quoted. I can think of very few left-wing icons that are less likable than Lena Dunham the fat exhibitionist pedophile, or Lady Gaga the... seriously jesus christ what the gently caress were they thinking. Lena Dunham's mental picture of New York City is one without black people lol
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Nov 10, 2016 04:26
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Oh Snapple! posted:Lena Dunham's mental picture of New York City is one without black people lol It's about trustafarians in Williamsburg. It's kinda accurate.
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Larry Parrish posted:It's so loving unbelievable to me that despite general feelings the economy isn't healthy for low and middle class families, the DNC really expected all of the Hope and Change crowd to just show up and vote again without any additional plans or at least promises it was bad, really really bad
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:The part where you say the textile factory isn't ever coming back and then don't really say what, if anything, is coming? That's where this actually falls apart. basically i hold that retraining for those who can, fully subsidized in new industries, combined with BIG TIME incentives to move emerging business to these regions, combined with MASSSIVE infrastructure spending, and failing that, a GMI for these people, so they can live in comfort, above the poverty level, while the small town rural world just sort of slowly dies.
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:This deserves to be quoted. I can think of very few left-wing icons that are less likable than Lena Dunham the fat exhibitionist pedophile, or Lady Gaga the... seriously jesus christ what the gently caress were they thinking.  though tbf i think he collapsed into some kind of irony vortex after the primary ended
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i wish the internet didnt exist so i could run for office. oppo would not do me well. then again donald trump.
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:Not even millenials like Lena Dunham. Every single TV show she ever showed up on cratered horribly in the ratings for whatever episode no matter how much clothing she removed. Also, isn't the youth vote still an unreliable demographic? I guess they expected a smooth transition from Obama voters.
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anime was right posted:i wish the internet didnt exist so i could run for office. oppo would not do me well. "hmm, it seems to say here that you were probated by franco for quoting goatse in nite crew, and an auto-ban for using a mod tag, how can you lead america?"
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:This deserves to be quoted. I can think of very few left-wing icons that are less likable than Lena Dunham the fat exhibitionist pedophile, or Lady Gaga the... seriously jesus christ what the gently caress were they thinking. But Lena Dunham was popular with all the young interns they hired! That must mean shes popular with other young people! Its not like politically minded interns are likely to all be drawn from the same echo chambers that are completely divorced from reality or anything! Zikan posted:There's also going to be a slaughtering of campaign staff and no real heirs to replace them. Most of the powerhouses from the Obama campaign like David Axelrod, David Plouff, Danel Pfeiffer, and other are in the private sector and probably don't want to touch the tire fire that is the 2018 and 2020 races. Meanwhile Podesta, Mook, and his ilk are entirely discredited. I remember there being a weird moment in the campaign where people began to downplay Obama's abilities as a campaigner and put their faith in his data driven ground operation instead. Like, I distinctly remember it being a point in Clinton's favor that she had Obama's campaign crew, which was the real secret to his success and not the fact that Obama is one of the greatest orators and campaigners in American history. Maybe Im misremembering things though.
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:Also, isn't the youth vote still an unreliable demographic? I guess they expected a smooth transition from Obama voters. Yes. Every demographic cratered compared to 2012. We lost seven million votes.
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KiteAuraan posted:"hmm, it seems to say here that you were probated by franco for quoting goatse in nite crew, and an auto-ban for using a mod tag, how can you lead america?" i was a heinous teenager, sadly.
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anime was right posted:hillary should have promised millions of solar jobs in the who-gives-a-gently caress states and said it ten thousand times. "Yeah, I wanna take your coal mine job. I wanna take it and bury it at that bottom of the mine, where nobody ever has to work it again. And I'm going to replace it with a safe job in a solar/renewable/green energy plant, where you get benefits and a full lunch break and overtime, and you can go home and enjoy your family past age 50 instead of dying of black lung so this rear end in a top hat doesn't have to pay full rates on his power bill for Trump Tower."
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:One thing that can't be ignored is that eight years of obstinate refusal to work with Obama and Democrats in Congress seems to have paid off. He never once used the bully pulpit. Applying pressure/bribes in a backroom deal does not make an opponent give an inch or a single gently caress in our political climate. Tanking the poll numbers of moderates in their home districts by holding them to the fire until they squeal via the bully pulpit probably would. I could see Trump using it to get some harebrained schemes through. If he does maybe the dems can learn a thing or two on exploiting the media's lust for shiny objects and ratings.
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:Wasn't he remarkably prescient about how the vote in Wisconsin and Michigan would go? hes gonna get a second wind of popularity for that lol aaand some of trump's base are actually into him too now. its gonna be weird to see what happens with him assuming he lives long enough for a story to play out
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Cubey posted:she was unlikeable because republicans had a 20+ year smear campaign against her mrmcd posted:Like I totally think it's largely unfair that people don't like Hillary. It's so much bullshit and double standards but lots of people are going to suffer now because we pretended that voters will show up for someone they hate as long as they hate the other guy too. Sigh this is not whey people don't like Hillary. They don't like her because she's bought, but also because her 'persona' was loving bullshit. People laugh at Abuelas, and 3 emoji's and symbolic glass ceiling display's, but that crap loving reals of inauthentic bullshit and make people not like her. Its not just her btw, remember O'Malley? That guy would have gotten so much support just 10 years ago, I mean he was pretty much Edwards 2.0, but turns out people are sick of calculated hand gestures and man let me take off my jacket and roll up my sleeves. People by and large are so sick of it all. Now I'm not saying this was the biggest factor over actual politics, because it wasn't, but if you want to know why people 'don't like her' this is it.
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LmaoTheKid posted:It's about trustafarians in Williamsburg. It's kinda accurate. Oh I know, it's just completely representative of what a loving bubble she's lived her life in.
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Asproigerosis posted:How does the Democratic Party try better next time? Don't anoint a chosen candidate years in advance. Don't stomp out the flames of the populist candidate who brought fire and vigor from a new group just because he wasn't the groomed heir apparent. Especially don't fix the issue of the populist candidate ruining everything by stacking the odds in the primaries against him all because people are excited and have the audacity to vote for him and not your choice as they are told. Really shouldn't further alienate these 30-50% of prospective voters by telling them they're wrong and need to get in line. Then when your poo poo candidate proceeds to absolutely tank in approval polls, don't just keep on full steam ahead without any change in message. Especially when the current populist sentiment on both sides of the aisle is gently caress the establishment and your girl couldn't possibly be any more textbook definition of establishment. If elected actually push policies that benefit everyone and not just certain groups. If there had been more in the ACA for working class people I really doubt we'd be in this mess right now.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:He never once used the bully pulpit. Applying pressure/bribes in a backroom deal does not make an opponent give an inch or a single gently caress in our political climate. Tanking the poll numbers of moderates in their home districts by holding them to the fire until they squeal via the bully pulpit probably would. For all his personal failings and later poor decisions, Lyndon B. Johnson was one of the greatest presidents in my opinion. The man could get poo poo done. Great things, like civil rights, and horrible things, like Vietnam. But whatever it was LBJ could just make it happen with his own enormous force of personality and outrageously huge penis.
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If Democrats are going to swing hard to the left, then they may want to consider courting Rocky Anderson as a 2020 nominee. He was a highly accomplished attorney, and as Democratic mayor of Salt Lake City he championed multiple progressive causes, including restorative justice and an end to the war on drugs. When he ran for president on the Justice Party ticket in 2012 they had an extremely dope platform which was pro-campaign finance reform, financial transaction taxes, green jobs, wanted to strengthen the EPA, expand Social Security, end wars of aggression, repeal the PATRIOT Act, and so on. The guy was Bernie before the general public could conceive of one, only nobody knew about him because he ran as a third party. He'll also be 69 (nice) in 2020. I know it's a longshot, but I'm trying to spitball options for the future here.
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Zythrst posted:Sigh this is not whey people don't like Hillary. They don't like her because she's bought, but also because her 'persona' was loving bullshit. People laugh at Abuelas, and 3 emoji's and symbolic glass ceiling display's, but that crap loving reals of inauthentic bullshit and make people not like her. Its not just her btw, remember O'Malley? That guy would have gotten so much support just 10 years ago, I mean he was pretty much Edwards 2.0, but turns out people are sick of calculated hand gestures and man let me take off my jacket and roll up my sleeves. People by and large are so sick of it all.
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Not a Step posted:For all his personal failings and later poor decisions, Lyndon B. Johnson was one of the greatest presidents in my opinion. The man could get poo poo done. Great things, like civil rights, and horrible things, like Vietnam. But whatever it was LBJ could just make it happen with his own enormous force of personality and outrageously huge penis. jumbo pretty much was his vp
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