|
Hillarys word salad answers and lack of being able to convey positions made her unlikeable to me. And the wall st poo poo but that's the bernout in me talking.
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:37
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 10:16 |
|
|
kanye west lol
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:37
|
|
|
Jonny 290 posted:"Yeah, I wanna take your coal mine job. I wanna take it and bury it at that bottom of the mine, where nobody ever has to work it again. And I'm going to replace it with a safe job in a solar/renewable/green energy plant, where you get benefits and a full lunch break and overtime, and you can go home and enjoy your family past age 50 instead of dying of black lung so this rear end in a top hat doesn't have to pay full rates on his power bill for Trump Tower." loving this
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:38
|
|
|
rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:I feel like she might have done better had she been allowed to just be her boring self instead of her attempts to seem personable that everyone could see right through. Trumped Up Trickle Down? Jesus. Yeah. When Hilldawg was being herself she came across as a huge geek rear end dork, but in a much more relateable way. The rest of the time you could tell it was all a carefully managed stage production, and when one of your biggest criticisms is that you seem fake maybe its time to drop the careful management.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:38
|
|
|
Jonny 290 posted:"Yeah, I wanna take your coal mine job. I wanna take it and bury it at that bottom of the mine, where nobody ever has to work it again. And I'm going to replace it with a safe job in a solar/renewable/green energy plant, where you get benefits and a full lunch break and overtime, and you can go home and enjoy your family past age 50 instead of dying of black lung so this rear end in a top hat doesn't have to pay full rates on his power bill for Trump Tower." it's laughable how this never occurred to anyone lol mining coal is loving terrible. you think those people liked that poo poo? it was all they had
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:40
|
|
|
Jonny 290 posted:"Yeah, I wanna take your coal mine job. I wanna take it and bury it at that bottom of the mine, where nobody ever has to work it again. And I'm going to replace it with a safe job in a solar/renewable/green energy plant, where you get benefits and a full lunch break and overtime, and you can go home and enjoy your family past age 50 instead of dying of black lung so this rear end in a top hat doesn't have to pay full rates on his power bill for Trump Tower." *we'd probably only need < 10% of you to work at these places and I really doubt any of you would meet the job requirements without a 4 year degree.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:40
|
|
|
I think the left democrats should probably get in touch with groups like the guys who took over the UK Labour party. they could probably shed some light on unfucking a neo-liberal political party
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:43
|
|
|
resar posted:I think the left democrats should probably get in touch with groups like the guys who took over the UK Labour party. they could probably shed some light on unfucking a neo-liberal political party even i think corbyn is a little nuts.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:45
|
|
|
Fullhouse posted:it's laughable how this never occurred to anyone lol You'll never leave Harlan alive.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:46
|
|
|
KiteAuraan posted:basically i hold that retraining for those who can, fully subsidized in new industries, combined with BIG TIME incentives to move emerging business to these regions, combined with MASSSIVE infrastructure spending, and failing that, a GMI for these people, so they can live in comfort, above the poverty level, while the small town rural world just sort of slowly dies. I think you get more on the mark when you talk about it like that, yeah.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:45
|
|
|
Zythrst posted:You'll never leave Harlan alive. get the coal miners jobs in rocketry. make NASA great again
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:46
|
|
|
Fullhouse posted:it's laughable how this never occurred to anyone lol it would be even better if you used it to sell the smart grid too by going "oh yeah and the next time a big storm rolls through your state you won't lose power for weeks on end because you got these fancy utility batteries that are capturing your new solar panels." but farttttttt
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:47
|
|
|
anime was right posted:even i think corbyn is a little nuts. Corbyn is a cool dude who buys his shirts from the co-op.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:48
|
|
|
Obama seems like a real guy you could smoke a joint with. Clinton is such a constructed personality that Max Headroom is more relatable
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:49
|
|
|
Like Democrats are such loving nerds we keep falling for the trap of thinking milquetoast debate club presidents are good candidates because they're so smart and their hearts are in the right place and voters will come around once they learn how good we are with spreadsheets. Gore, Kerry, now Clinton plus probably a dozen more from before I wasn't a child. I fell for it again and now lots of bad poo poo is going to happen, none of which will land on me, a white dude with a high paying tech job in NYC. "Good candidates are ones that get people excited about voting for them." If I ever loving forget that please smack me in the loving head until I learn it again.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:52
|
|
|
HannibalBarca posted:It could have worked, but the campaign seemed reluctant to provide actual specifics on what a continuation of the Obama presidency meant. The Dems never seemed to make a coherent argument on the issues. We all saw the same Clinton ads over and over again of little kids looking at Trump on the TV, or whatever. And all those ads did nothing but ensure that we'll all be seeing Trump on the TV for a long time to come. The problem is that a) informed voters knew continuation meant a gop held house wasn't gonna let poo poo though anyway, and b) uninformed voters were frustrated with rising healthcare costs and stagnated wages and decided to throw a brick through the window. Barack Obama doesn't have a high approval rating because of the poo poo he's done, because he's been unable to do poo poo for the last 6 years. He has a high approval rating because he has a once in a lifetime personality for a politician. Clinton doesn't have that, and her Obama veteran team wasn't able to figure out that Obama's magic couldn't be rubbed off on Clinton.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:52
|
|
|
HannibalBarca posted:Did you ever meet people like Mook or Podesta? What was the impression you got from them? Because I am beyond furious with them now. I think this is at their feet in a lot of ways. Iv met both but never talked to either on a regular basis ever. Mook was 100% certain in data and models which proved hilariously inaccurate and Podesta was more in that "we need to harness populism or were hosed" area. Both are done now though.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:52
|
|
|
obama is one of the top 100 coolest people on the planet. obama won in part because he is einstein levels of cool.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:53
|
|
|
Thundercracker posted:Venom Snake, I hope you're right the DNC will bend the knee to Sanders. I was basically a establishment backer (New York Yuppie liberal that donated every four years) my entire life, and holy poo poo, I want to run the Clinton's out of the country right now.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:54
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:Iv met both but never talked to either on a regular basis ever. Mook was 100% certain in data and models which proved hilariously inaccurate and Podesta was more in that "we need to harness populism or were hosed" area. Both are done now though. hire me, i write posts on the internet and i'm right sometimes.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:54
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:Mook was 100% certain in data and models which proved hilariously inaccurate This is the impression I got, yeah. Christ, what a mess.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:55
|
|
|
How about the newly elected senators (Harris and Duckworth?) Do they have a chance of becoming a part of the leadership?
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:56
|
|
|
Necc0 posted:love trumps hate was the dumbest loving slogan ever but we go high when they go low though right???? There is nobody left at the helm to block him. Obamas hosed because his legacy just got flushed down the toilet. The Clintons have given up.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:55
|
|
|
Shadowhand00 posted:How about the newly elected senators (Harris and Duckworth?) Do they have a chance of becoming a part of the leadership? i mean they can be involved but its way too early for them to think about a serious run for president
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:56
|
|
|
anime was right posted:obama is one of the top 100 coolest people on the planet. obama won in part because he is einstein levels of cool. He really is. You know I didn't actually dislike him until he 'both sides' Dapl. I was like yeah he's weak and corporate and I probably should have been looking for better people to support, but didn't loath him until then.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:57
|
|
|
resar posted:I think the left democrats should probably get in touch with groups like the guys who took over the UK Labour party. they could probably shed some light on unfucking a neo-liberal political party said corbynists are getting crushed in the next GE so I wouldn't be too smug or anything that being said Gabbard 2020?
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:58
|
|
|
Raskolnikov38 posted:i mean they can be involved but its way too early for them to think about a serious run for president well you know what they say about first term senators they know what they are doing
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:59
|
|
|
Speaking of Robby Mook. One tip I'd have for future campaigns is to not have your staff go on cable news to lie their asses off while ginning like loving loons.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:59
|
|
|
I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 04:59
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. There was a moment in one of the debates where Clinton got asked point blank about something she said in the leaked emails and she immediately pivoted to Russia. I mean, personally, I think that Trump is a useful idiot for Putin and friends, but god drat it was stupid politics to make this a centerpiece of the campaign.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:02
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. he was absolutely russia's candidate of choice dude
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:02
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. i mean it is true
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:02
|
|
|
maybe hillary shouldnt have hired a guy named Mook
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:03
|
|
|
Clinton did not lose because she pushed false narratives, she lost because she had no narrative for herself
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:02
|
|
|
Oh Snapple! posted:maybe hillary shouldnt have hired a guy named Mook Blistering Takes on my part tonight, all night
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:04
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:he was absolutely russia's candidate of choice dude Did that resonate with voters though? I can't imagine anyone outside the intelligentsia in the big cities cared about that, and hey, guess what, we already had those. Maybe I'm wrong though, I dunno. gently caress it, there were so many mistakes, and this was just one of them.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:03
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. actually i think that worked pretty well. one of the few things that did work well, but yeah. like assuming the polls got ANYTHING right at all, which is probably a safe assumption, trump took major hits for the russia stuff on several occasions
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:04
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. That got a couple of army gently caress yeah conservatives I know to switch their vote to johnson. Pretty stupid to run with it as a major part of the campaign though
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:04
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. but yes it was incredibly stupid every stupid loving media organization including npr et al were fanning these totally unfounded russia conspiracy theories it was farcical also there's a bunch of stupid loving articles today about russia celebrating the trump victory lmao you've lost you dont have to continue the stupid russian conspiracy theory you idiots
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 10:16 |
|
|
The trend of people going "It's not that America's racist, it's that she failed to court midwestern voters" is dumb. Yes, obviously in hindsight she should have done that. What people are ignoring is that it's Trump. It's a man who a month ago the sheer notion of becoming president was thought as impossible with numerous sexual assault claims. A person who called for banning the immigration of Muslim Americans. A person who openly mocked a disabled reporter. A person who showed profound ignorance every time he stepped on a debate stage. Do you remember how the 47% tape or Dukakis in the tank or Dean's yell are remembered for helping tank their campaigns? The shock is around the fact that none of that poo poo mattered whatsoever. The shock is around that Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio would have probably done just as well. And like there are a dozen things you can nitpick about. If those campaign tanking moments actually were campaign tanking moments or the fact that the worst of the Trump presidency is probably going to be based on him being a Republican more than anything else or if people should've known better about who the people in our country are. But people are shocked because they assumed that people would rise to the occasion or at least not vote for that guy. And that's not what happened. They voted for a guy openly hostile to women and people of color and Muslims and who was more than willing to destroy the premise of peaceful transfer of power if he didn't get his way and may very really pursue trying to jail his opponent. And going "WELL ACTUALLY..." and simply talking about Hilary's failure to assume almost every single poll that showed her strategy was working was wrong doesn't make you some amazing realist. It makes you a dummy who's failing to understand why actual real human beings are upset.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2016 05:06
|
|
