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Quick Draw McGraw posted:No clearly its the famously right wing, anti-semitic major broadcast news and cable networks Or it can be that drama makes for better news than "Democrats want paid family leave a lot."
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Fojar38 posted:And I think that the past 24 hours should have taught us that maps don't mean what they used to. How do you think that working class voters in the rust belt will feel in 2 years when things still haven't improved? The real question is this- what does anyone do about the rust belt? Those jobs aren't coming back. They're being automated; they're disappearing entirely. I don't think either party has a coherent plan for dealing with this.
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:What kind of hosed up mirror universe do you come from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-he-was-jewish/
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Trabisnikof posted:What part of what I said wasn't factual? Working class issues was a massive part of what the Clinton campaign and Democrats at leather tried to talk about. Paid family leave, increasing the minimum wage and expanding jobs programs are big ones. I meant about the media being "in the tank", sorry. 
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Fojar38 posted:And I think that the past 24 hours should have taught us that maps don't mean what they used to. How do you think that working class voters in the rust belt will feel in 2 years when things still haven't improved? Probably they'll be worse. I can see Trump causing a gfc.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:02
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Fojar38 posted:This. The Tea Party changed the Republican Party, a similar movement can do the same for the Democratic Party. We already saw the seeds of it with Bernie's surprisingly competitive campaign and I suspect that lots of old-guard Clintonites would be willing to try something new to defeat a resurgent GOP led by Trump. It doesn't really work when both sides engage in brinkmanship. Edit: "It" being the country.
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Pollyanna posted:I just hope the Trump administration crashes and burns, hard. It certainly doesn't look prepared. the primary laffs will come from a newly emboldened and unified congress trying to reassert power against an executive branch which became much stronger in the past couple decades
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Fojar38 posted:And I think that the past 24 hours should have taught us that maps don't mean what they used to. How do you think that working class voters in the rust belt will feel in 2 years when things still haven't improved? As if you need to ask? They'll look at republicans and republicans will just shrug and say "Obama," and the rustbelt republicans will nod to each other because obviously Obama's policies were so bad that they won't be able to fix them in two years. And years later when their state is in the same condition Kansas is in now they'll still look around and just tell themselves that it's the Democrats' fault, and keep digging. This has been the pattern for decades. Blame the Other, privatize everything? Still covered in poo poo? Obviously you didn't find enough Others to run out or things to privatize and strip down. Conservatism can't fail, it can only be failed.
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PerniciousKnid posted:It doesn't really work when both sides engage in brinkmanship. Well lying down and asking for it hard also doesn't. Also dick we're not talking about winning th the GOP we're talking about winning those who stayed out this election. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Pollyanna posted:I just hope the Trump administration crashes and burns, hard. It certainly doesn't look prepared. My biggest fear is he'll be a boring rubber stamp for congress, letting them do all the work while he funnels as much government money into his businesses as his creativity will allow. Then he'll be re-elected because the democrats have nobody to run in 2020.
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Crowsbeak posted:Well lying down and asking for it hard also doesn't. Yeah well I know that, that's why I'm sad. Republicans posted:My biggest fear is he'll be a boring rubber stamp for congress, letting them do all the work while he funnels as much government money into his businesses as his creativity will allow. Then he'll be re-elected because the democrats have nobody to run in 2020.
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Polygynous posted:I meant about the media being "in the tank", sorry. No worries! But yeah the media covered Trump a lot. This is only for 2015 so I'm sure a newer study will be crazier: quote:More context: Trump received 327 minutes of evening network airtime one year before the general election campaign. In 2012, during the general election campaign, President Obama's re-election run garnered just 157 minutes of airtime. Trump in 2015 got 2x as much free airtime as Obama in 2012. That's not even including 2016. So I'm not saying Democrats need a drama bomb, but we need to recognize the new media landscape.
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Republicans posted:My biggest fear is he'll be a boring rubber stamp for congress, letting them do all the work while he funnels as much government money into his businesses as his creativity will allow. Then he'll be re-elected because the democrats have nobody to run in 2020. To be fair, it looked like the Republicans had nobody to run in 2016.
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Republicans posted:My biggest fear is he'll be a boring rubber stamp for congress, letting them do all the work while he funnels as much government money into his businesses as his creativity will allow. Then he'll be re-elected because the democrats have nobody to run in 2020. Letting Congress and Pence run the show is DEFCON 1. It will literally kill people like me. It's the doomsday scenario and it better not loving happen. Unfortunately, it looks like that's where it's headed. 
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Convergence posted:I recently spoke with a friend who is a close advisor to Hillary (you are free to not believe me, but I'm sure this will be public soon enough). They told me that Trump has absolutely no transition plan and no issues team. They had no idea they were going to win and have absolutely nothing going on. They're made no attempts at contacting foreign leaders as is usually done. Apparently it's still unclear, in general, if he actually intends to govern. But I thought the fatass from NJ was the head of the transition team. Hell this was before the GOP primary finished. Donnie : Hey fastass trasition ore burgers from McD to my face!
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Ahhhh gently caress I just remembered the people he's appointing. loving Gingrich, Giuliani, Arpaio, and Palin. What the gently caress.
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Pollyanna posted:Letting Congress and Pence run the show is DEFCON 1. It will literally kill people like me. It's the doomsday scenario and it better not loving happen. Unfortunately, it looks like that's where it's headed. What are people like you Also what a terrible post,/username mismatch
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:What are people like you I'm trans. Pence is Pence. That should tell you everything.
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:As if you need to ask? They'll look at republicans and republicans will just shrug and say "Obama," and the rustbelt republicans will nod to each other because obviously Obama's policies were so bad that they won't be able to fix them in two years. And years later when their state is in the same condition Kansas is in now they'll still look around and just tell themselves that it's the Democrats' fault, and keep digging. Conservatives didn't hand the election to Trump.
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Pollyanna posted:Ahhhh gently caress I just remembered the people he's appointing. loving Gingrich, Giuliani, Arpaio, and Palin. What the gently caress. This is not confirmed and probably not true. Not completely, anyway- all I know is that none of the picks are set yet.
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Convergence posted:The real question is this- what does anyone do about the rust belt? Hillary and Bernie's plans were to move towards higher minimum wages, better education and support for communities building plans to transition away from manufacturing jobs regionally. It's still the only way to move forward realistically, but for a lot of people it's galling apparently to be told that it'll be hard and if you don't want to do it yourself it'll be your kids that mostly benefit from it.
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Pollyanna posted:Letting Congress and Pence run the show is DEFCON 1. It will literally kill people like me. It's the doomsday scenario and it better not loving happen. Unfortunately, it looks like that's where it's headed. On the other hand he could actually stick around and try to make policy rather than loving off and doing rallies or whatever.
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Pollyanna posted:I'm trans. Pence is Pence. That should tell you everything. A penny is a penny? Is that what you're trying to say? Also what's a trans? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pollyanna posted:Ahhhh gently caress I just remembered the people he's appointing. loving Gingrich, Giuliani, Arpaio, and Palin. What the gently caress. Arpaio and Palin? This is the first I've heard of that
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:Hillary and Bernie's plans were to move towards higher minimum wages, better education and support for communities building plans to transition away from manufacturing jobs regionally. It's still the only way to move forward realistically, but for a lot of people it's galling apparently to be told that it'll be hard and if you don't want to do it yourself it'll be your kids that mostly benefit from it. They should transition away from manufacturing jobs to ???? To what, exactly?
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Moon Atari posted:Both the tea party and Trump's movement are made up of people that once formed the labour movement. They can be won back to left wing economics but it is going to take a change in dialogue. Less open disdain and you are all bigots talk for one. That doesn't mean adopting racist policy, it means focusing on class and grouping policy that supports minorities under that banner. The civil rights movement involved a lot of cooperation with unions, even while the majority of people in the unions were racist as heck. You conveniently left off the end of this story where white union members abandoned the Democrats in droves to vote Nixon and Reagan in reaction to desegregation policies and let labor get destroyed in the process.
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Pollyanna posted:Ahhhh gently caress I just remembered the people he's appointing. loving Gingrich, Giuliani, Arpaio, and Palin. What the gently caress. Convergence posted:This is not confirmed and probably not true. Not completely, anyway- all I know is that none of the picks are set yet. Is there any source for these picks other than right wing email fwd:fwd:fwd like and share if you agree this would be a great cabinet for america?
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:A penny is a penny? Is that what you're trying to say? I like the troll-as-autist angle you got going here.
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:They should transition away from manufacturing jobs to ???? Lmao who cares now? Poor white dudes are right hosed now because there's not going to be anything to salvage of the economy by the end of Trump.
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Fojar38 posted:Arpaio and Palin? This is the first I've heard of that Buzzfeed got their hands on a list that included Palin as Secretary of the Interior and Ben Carson as Secretary of Education. Don't remember seeing Arpaio though e: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/305354-buzzfeed-obtains-preliminary-list-of-trump-cabinet-picks
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:A penny is a penny? Is that what you're trying to say? lmao
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vyelkin posted:Buzzfeed got their hands on a list that included Palin as Secretary of the Interior and Ben Carson as Secretary of Education. Don't remember seeing Arpaio though  Carson for Education what the actual Christ? Good lord this country is hosed.
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Fojar38 posted:Conservatives didn't hand the election to Trump. No, but they've been giving a pass to self-destructive Republican policies for a generation based on ambiguous wedge issues. If the Democratic contingent doesn't want to go vote, where else are you going to find voters? You've got to get these people to finally see that the reason they're up poo poo's creek isn't just because of some ambiguous globalization, but also because they keep electing people that loot public coffers, privatize gains, and undermine the nets and ladders they could use. I don't really see what message that could be at this point. Poor whites seem to have retreated into a bubble in which they want to dictate what facts they get to consider true at any given time, and by god if that orange man on the TV says he can tell the Chinese to give us our jobs back they're going to believe him.
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:A penny is a penny? Is that what you're trying to say? Pence is the current vice president of the United States. Trans is short for transgender people: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender
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So is there still gonna be a big fight over the debt ceiling? Republicans will have to raise that eventually and all sign off on it.
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This is the full list as Buzzfeed provides it: List of Potential Trump Cabinet Nominees: Attorney General: Gov. Chris Christie Attorney General Pam Bondi Sen. Jeff Sessions Former Mayor Rudy Guiliani Secretary of Commerce: Christie Former Nucor CEO Dan DiMicco Businessman Lew Eisenberg Former Gov. Mike Huckabee Sen. David Purdue Former Sen. Jim Talent Agriculture Secretary: Gov. Sam Brownback NationalCouncil of Farmer Cooperatives CEO Chuck Conner Gov. Dave Heineman Texas Agricultural Commissioner Sid Miller Former Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue Secretary of Education: Ben Carson Hoover Institution fellow William Evers Secretary of Energy: Venture Capitalist Robert Grady Businessman Harold Hamm Secretary of Health and Human Services: Former New Jersey state Sen. Rich Bagger Ben Carson Newt Gingrich Gov. Rick Scott Secretary of Homeland Security: Christie Sheriff David Clarke Secretary of the Interior: Gov. Jan Brewer Gov. Mary Fallin Grady Hamm Oil Executive Forrest Lucas Rep. Cynthia Lummis Former Gov. Sarah Palin Secretary of Defense: Former Gen. Mike Flynn Stephen Hadley Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr. Sessions Former Sen. Jim Talent Secretary of State: John Bolton Sen. Bob Corker Gingrich Treasury Secretary: Rep. Jeb Hensarling Businessman Carl Icahn Banker Steven Mnuchin Chief of Staff: Reince Priebus Director of Office of Management and Budget: Sessions Secretary of Labor: EEOC Commissioner Victoria Lipnic Veterans Affairs: Rep. Jeff Miller White House Counsel: Donald McGahn https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/secretary-of-education-ben-carson-heres-a-list-potential-tru?utm_term=.dk56lovL16#.vt8k943wJk
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:No, but they've been giving a pass to self-destructive Republican policies for a generation based on ambiguous wedge issues. If the Democratic contingent doesn't want to go vote, where else are you going to find voters? You've got to get these people to finally see that the reason they're up poo poo's creek isn't just because of some ambiguous globalization, but also because they keep electing people that loot public coffers, privatize gains, and undermine the nets and ladders they could use. Doesn't help a lot of those people defended outsourcing.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Pence is the current vice president of the United States. VP-elect dinoputz posted:So is there still gonna be a big fight over the debt ceiling? That's like one of the few silver linings here is that debt-crises are unlikely for the next couple of years.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Pence is the current vice president of the United States. Technically he won't be till January! dinoputz posted:So is there still gonna be a big fight over the debt ceiling? Republicans will have to raise that eventually and all sign off on it. Yes but between Trump and our creditors. Someone is taking a haircut....
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