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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. a lot of it was literally true but yeah they really brought that out too much
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Venom Snake posted:he was absolutely russia's candidate of choice dude There is a distinct difference between being Putin's favorite for promising better relations with Russia, and being a Siberian Candidate waiting for the keyphrase to activate Trump and transform him into loyal Biznismen. Even Tom the Dancing Bug ran a stupid rear end cartoon portraying Trump as a willing agent of Moscow.
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Venom Snake posted:There is nobody left at the helm to block him. Obamas hosed because his legacy just got flushed down the toilet. The Clintons have given up. obama was already planning to do post-presidency politics, it'd be helpful if he still did even if it's not the same thing
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Venom Snake posted:Clinton did not lose because she pushed false narratives, she lost because she had no narrative for herself I agree. We need a real leftist that has a vision and can share that vision, because that is what inspires people and what we *need* as humans. Everything else is ticky-tacky bullshit.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The trend of people going "It's not that America's racist, it's that she failed to court midwestern voters" is dumb. Yes, obviously in hindsight she should have done that. What people are ignoring is that it's Trump. It's a man who a month ago the sheer notion of becoming president was thought as impossible with numerous sexual assault claims. A person who called for banning the immigration of Muslim Americans. A person who openly mocked a disabled reporter. A person who showed profound ignorance every time he stepped on a debate stage. turnout was way the gently caress down this election because hillary didn't bother to give people a reason to show up. it's not complicated or hard
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Venom Snake posted:Iv met both but never talked to either on a regular basis ever. Mook was 100% certain in data and models which proved hilariously inaccurate and Podesta was more in that "we need to harness populism or were hosed" area. Both are done now though. Someone who makes tweets like this https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/786988264985100288 is probably not gonna be harnessing much populism. Good riddance.
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Also remember that for all the outrage over Obama the GOP could never get poo poo to stick for 8 full years. The same cannot be said of the Clintons.The GOP absolutely blew Clinton poo poo out of proportion, but the Clintons allowed the seed to be planted in a way that Obama never did. I was listening to someone on MSNBC a few days before the election and they said the problem is that Hillary and Bill believe they're always doing good, they believe the ends justify the means, and have been trained by GOP bullshit to instinctively believe criticism isn't valid. It sure seems to ring true, especially given that the first black president was able to magically be scandal free while those gosh darn GOP operatives keep bogging the Clintons down in imaginary scandals. Obama was reflective, had self doubt, and had humility in ways the Clintons never showed. Whether they don't have those things or whether they have those things and didn't show them is an academic question now. The e-mail poo poo was just a symptom, and if it wasn't for the e-mails there would have been some other borderline poo poo the Clintons thought was okay and was legally okay but appeared sketchy.
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. This a drat good post. No joke, no irony. Glad to see you talking sense.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The trend of people going "It's not that America's racist, it's that she failed to court midwestern voters" is dumb. Yes, obviously in hindsight she should have done that. What people are ignoring is that it's Trump. It's a man who a month ago the sheer notion of becoming president was thought as impossible with numerous sexual assault claims. A person who called for banning the immigration of Muslim Americans. A person who openly mocked a disabled reporter. A person who showed profound ignorance every time he stepped on a debate stage.
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Necc0 posted:love trumps hate was the dumbest loving slogan ever Turns out people love Trump's hate!
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HannibalBarca posted:Did that resonate with voters though? I can't imagine anyone outside the intelligentsia in the big cities cared about that, and hey, guess what, we already had those. Maybe I'm wrong though, I dunno. gently caress it, there were so many mistakes, and this was just one of them. What Hill needed was to poo poo on trump AND talk about what SHE was going to do to make everyones life better. Instead we got "we go high" lol
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Mrit posted:I agree. We need a real leftist that has a vision and can share that vision, because that is what inspires people and what we *need* as humans. Everything else is ticky-tacky bullshit. hell yeah
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Adventure Pigeon posted:Someone who makes tweets like this oh dear lord he actually loving tweeted that how out of touch can you be 
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Adventure Pigeon posted:Someone who makes tweets like this Assange is a rapist moron and im fine with anyone making GBS threads on him. Podesta was an insufferable twit at times but he saw the writing on the wall. Or at least Id like to think he did
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comedyblissoption posted:the answer you are looking for is that clinton was an absolutely terrible candidate. doubling down on the status quo message in the 2016 climate was a gargantuan mistake. complete disaster of a candidate you might say
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Peel posted:obama was already planning to do post-presidency politics, it'd be helpful if he still did even if it's not the same thing he was going to be an activist for redistricting reform. that makes literally zero sense when the Heritage Foundation is gonna be picking the next 3 SCOTUS justices. Obama might as well just head to Silicon Valley and sit on some boards for 30 years until he dies.
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There's a poetic irony in campaigning on Trump being an FSB asset, because now Democrats are the Russian Communist Party.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh dear lord he actually loving tweeted that very https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/794450623404113920
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh dear lord he actually loving tweeted that You can be a rich ponce whose out of touch and still realize yer going to lose your head of poo poo gets to bad. shame they completely jobbed it though so everyone's going to lose their poo poo.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There's a poetic irony in campaigning on Trump being an FSB asset, because now Democrats are the Russian Communist Party. this is coming full circle the russians learned about american style dirty election tactics from paul manafort, they have literal "political technicians" in Russia to make sure elections are won w/o too much fraud they cyat blat refined it to an art and are now exporting them back to america even our elections are being outsourced
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You know I think something that's weirdly stayed with me as a sign of what was wrong with Hillary in a nutshell, was her emphasis on the oft-used phrase "love trumps hate" In retrospect a terrible phrase in any way but the way she pronounced it was never tongue in cheek. It wasn't "LOVE trumps HATE." She very clearly pronounced it as "love Trump's hate." So it always sounded to me like "hey thank god this guy is so Fuckin Awful because now we're gonna win!" Which is a bad message for 9 or so reasons
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Zas posted:purge this man now's the time for him to be tossed in a gulag in Minnesota or something
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Venom Snake posted:You can be a rich ponce whose out of touch and still realize yer going to lose your head of poo poo gets to bad. shame they completely jobbed it though so everyone's going to lose their poo poo. Was anyone sounding alarm bells, like on a "we're going to lose this election" level, at any point? We all saw that Politico article from early this morning about how Bill was badgering people about the sort of midwest turnout disaster that ended up happening, and the data wonks all basically laughed it off. Was there anyone at the Michigan state office level, or something, who were trying to draw attention to the problems here?
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That DICK! posted:You know I think something that's weirdly stayed with me as a sign of what was wrong with Hillary in a nutshell, was her emphasis on the oft-used phrase "love trumps hate" In retrospect a terrible phrase in any way but the way she pronounced it was never tongue in cheek. It wasn't "LOVE trumps HATE." She very clearly pronounced it as "love Trump's hate." So it always sounded to me like "hey thank god this guy is so Fuckin Awful because now we're gonna win!" Which is a bad message for 9 or so reasons remember when her campaign website was literally a bunch of things about trump and nothing about her lol
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Podesta being rich n out of touch did not cost hill the election, her not taking charge of her candidacy or owning anything cost her the election. Instead of standing up she was nice and courteous.
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Yinlock posted:a lot of the bernie supporters were openly being accelerationist assholes after he lost, hence why they were known for wanting to tear everything down because they didn't get 100% of what they wanted immediately If you're told you don't matter, then nothing else matters either.
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What was the worst slogan of the campaign? Love Trumps Hate? Dangerous Donald? We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children?
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HannibalBarca posted:Was anyone sounding alarm bells, like on a "we're going to lose this election" at any point? We all saw that Politico article from early this morning about how Bill was badgering people about the sort of midwest turnout disaster that ended up happening, and the data wonks all basically laughed it off. Was there anyone at the Michigan state office level, or something, who were trying to draw attention to the problems here? Nobody expected it but it makes 100% sense looking back. We got Kristol'd
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HannibalBarca posted:Was anyone sounding alarm bells, like on a "we're going to lose this election" at any point? We all saw that Politico article from early this morning about how Bill was badgering people about the sort of midwest turnout disaster that ended up happening, and the data wonks all basically laughed it off. Was there anyone at the Michigan state office level, or something, who were trying to draw attention to the problems here? lol link plz
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Typo posted:this is coming full circle Don't forget, the Americans helped Yeltsin cover up massive electoral fraud which helped him steal the election from the Communists in 1996, and that's why Putin is in charge now.
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That DICK! posted:You know I think something that's weirdly stayed with me as a sign of what was wrong with Hillary in a nutshell, was her emphasis on the oft-used phrase "love trumps hate" In retrospect a terrible phrase in any way but the way she pronounced it was never tongue in cheek. It wasn't "LOVE trumps HATE." She very clearly pronounced it as "love Trump's hate." So it always sounded to me like "hey thank god this guy is so Fuckin Awful because now we're gonna win!" Which is a bad message for 9 or so reasons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ1t-wikQNE
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That DICK! posted:You know I think something that's weirdly stayed with me as a sign of what was wrong with Hillary in a nutshell, was her emphasis on the oft-used phrase "love trumps hate" In retrospect a terrible phrase in any way but the way she pronounced it was never tongue in cheek. It wasn't "LOVE trumps HATE." She very clearly pronounced it as "love Trump's hate." So it always sounded to me like "hey thank god this guy is so Fuckin Awful because now we're gonna win!" Which is a bad message for 9 or so reasons thats how i always heard it too, and i dont even know if its pronunciation or just the fact that trumps name is so much more ubiquitious and on-the-mind than the verb 'to trump'
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comedyblissoption posted:the answer you are looking for is that clinton was an absolutely terrible candidate. doubling down on the status quo message in the 2016 climate was a gargantuan mistake. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm criticizing the people who are using your analysis to write off people who were upset because they assumed that everything about Trump was too egregious for Clinton not being a particularly great campaigner to matter. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) Timeless Appeal has issued a correction as of 05:21 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Typo posted:lol link plz http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-loses-2016-election-214439 "Bill Clinton complained throughout that Mook was too focused on the ground game and not enough on driving a message-based campaign. Without a chief strategist in the mold of Penn or David Axelrod, the campaign was run by a committee of strong-willed aides, struggling to assert themselves in the same space."
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Venom Snake posted:Podesta being rich n out of touch did not cost hill the election, her not taking charge of her candidacy or owning anything cost her the election. Instead of standing up she was nice and courteous. of course not but its like "loving really dude? you're posting that in october of an election that's very anti-elitest. did you think for a loving second?"
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zen death robot posted:Al Franken 2020 Am I insane or is this actually not a bad choice at all, given everything that's happened? Give Bernie the DNC and let him push the party to the left, but Franken could actually be a good choice for 2020. He's pretty liberal, and isn't seen as a Hillaryman so adopting the Bernie platform wouldn't look disingenuous, he can counter Trump being Trump by being genuinely engaging and funny, and he's from the rust belt and knows their issues intimately.
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