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HannibalBarca posted:http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-loses-2016-election-214439 bill is scum but goddamn the man knows how to run for president
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Venom Snake posted:Nobody expected it but it makes 100% sense looking back. We got Kristol'd God. I'm sorry, I know people like you put in the work and did the best they can do. But we're gonna be living with the consequences of Mook's (and Podesta's and Clinton's and whoever else) staggering ineptitude for a long, long time.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The trend of people going "It's not that America's racist, it's that she failed to court midwestern voters" is dumb. Yes, obviously in hindsight she should have done that. What people are ignoring is that it's Trump. It's a man who a month ago the sheer notion of becoming president was thought as impossible with numerous sexual assault claims. A person who called for banning the immigration of Muslim Americans. A person who openly mocked a disabled reporter. A person who showed profound ignorance every time he stepped on a debate stage. Yes, if only there had been some evidence for her team to go off of that Trump could play the outsider card to get away with things others would be destroyed for. If only there had been several months of this. IF only he had said things like "John McCain's not a war hero, just a bad pilot." or "Bush didn't keep us safe" or "Ted Cruz's dad killed Kennedy" before even starting the general election. Welp, no way she could have known that might be a problem. Smart move raising $500M to only get 60M votes nationwide. Definitely should not have gone for 70M. That would have looked like she was running up the score, which is classless.
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HannibalBarca posted:http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-loses-2016-election-214439 was bill ever wrong about anything even in 2008?
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:What was the worst slogan of the campaign? that one seems to have worked
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Typo posted:was bill ever wrong about anything even in 2008? consent
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Typo posted:was bill ever wrong about anything even in 2008? obama lol
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Bill was wrong about whether third wayism would work in the long run. This is basically all his fault if you really drill down on it.
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mrmcd posted:Honestly the thing that is most important to me is how low the turnout was compared to 08 and 12, in both columns. Fair or not, I don't think anyone in the DNC or campaign was honest with themselves about just how disliked Hillary is. The electorate hated her as much as they hated Trump. Could people stop it with "turnout was low?" We know there are several million votes left to be counted, and 126 million votes have already been counted, compared to 129 million cast in 2012 and 131 million in 2008. We'll end up slightly over 2012 in voter turnout.
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Typo posted:was bill ever wrong about anything even in 2008? welfare and criminal justice reform
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anyway does anyone know when the DNC chair is chosen? brazile is only the interim chair. bernie is too old to run in 2020 but he could literally run the dnc
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Patter Song posted:Could people stop it with "turnout was low?" We know there are several million votes left to be counted, and 126 million votes have already been counted, compared to 129 million cast in 2012 and 131 million in 2008. We'll end up slightly over 2012 in voter turnout. It was down by a lot in the Midwestern states that made the difference. And that turnout was most notably missing among key elements of the Obama coalition.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:of course not but its like "loving really dude? you're posting that in october of an election that's very anti-elitest. did you think for a loving second?" Trumpinmosttastelessgoldapartment.png poo poo like that doesn't matter. Its what you make your message and campaign about that matters. Raskolnikov38 posted:bill is scum but goddamn the man knows how to run for president He is from Arkansaw. She is from Chicago/NY. He saw the writing on the wall tbqh.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:anyway does anyone know when the DNC chair is chosen? brazile is only the interim chair. bernie is too old to run in 2020 but he could literally run the dnc Its not the worst idea, Our Revolution is trying to be a sort of progressive wing DNC already.
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resar posted:welfare and criminal justice reform that was 1994
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Zas posted:obama lol fair enough lol
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Anecdotally all of the people I know who hated Bernie for being a socialist ended up voting Trump anyway, so who fuckin knows how bad that would have actually hit him.
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HannibalBarca posted:It was down by a lot in the Midwestern states that made the difference. And that turnout was most notably missing among key elements of the Obama coalition. A lot of people are only looking at Trump and Clinton's figures vs Romney's and Obama's and ignoring that 6 million people voted third party rather than 2 million last cycle.
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HannibalBarca posted:It was down by a lot in the Midwestern states that made the difference. And that turnout was most notably missing among key elements of the Obama coalition. Even more granular, Detroit and Milwaukee.
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Patter Song posted:A lot of people are only looking at Trump and Clinton's figures vs Romney's and Obama's and ignoring that 6 million people voted third party rather than 2 million last cycle. It's the same thing at the end of the day when you're talking about turnout. Someone voting for Johnson or Stein is functionally equivalent to them staying home, at the Presidential level at least.
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Patter Song posted:A lot of people are only looking at Trump and Clinton's figures vs Romney's and Obama's and ignoring that 6 million people voted third party rather than 2 million last cycle. not to mention no confidence :nihilst:
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Patter Song posted:A lot of people are only looking at Trump and Clinton's figures vs Romney's and Obama's and ignoring that 6 million people voted third party rather than 2 million last cycle.
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Deki posted:Anecdotally all of the people I know who hated Bernie for being a socialist ended up voting Trump anyway, so who fuckin knows how bad that would have actually hit him. The socialist poo poo is the spookiest sort of amnesia. Obama (a neolib btw) got called a socialist on a running loop for years. What extra group of people was going to give a poo poo about it?
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another thing i just remembered: why the gently caress weren't they going through the wikileaks site and posting highlights of things they were proud of? it was clear wikilieaks wasn't reading all of that and just releasing their shockers amidst tens of thousands of emails so there was plenty of material to choose from. that seemed obvious to me just a month or two into that whole circus turn your weakness into your strength and all that
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Fiction posted:Bill was wrong about whether third wayism would work in the long run. This is basically all his fault if you really drill down on it. Oh Snapple! posted:In realtalk, just lol if you can't find some karmic justice in every single awful, poor-and-minority-loving thing that Bill and Hillary championed in the 90s coming back around to utterly annihilate their legacy. The American people don't deserve the further, seemingly unending consequences of their bullshit, but the Clintons absolutely do.
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Necc0 posted:another thing i just remembered: why the gently caress weren't they going through the wikileaks site and posting highlights of things they were proud of? it was clear wikilieaks wasn't reading all of that and just releasing their shockers amidst tens of thousands of emails so there was plenty of material to choose from. that seemed obvious to me just a month or two into that whole circus That would have required an ounce of creative thought. That seems to have been in short supply in top echelons of the Clinton Campaign.
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Necc0 posted:another thing i just remembered: why the gently caress weren't they going through the wikileaks site and posting highlights of things they were proud of? it was clear wikilieaks wasn't reading all of that and just releasing their shockers amidst tens of thousands of emails so there was plenty of material to choose from. that seemed obvious to me just a month or two into that whole circus Imagine I quoted that article about too many cooks and all that. There was never any focus.
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Kithkar posted:Am I insane or is this actually not a bad choice at all, given everything that's happened? Give Bernie the DNC and let him push the party to the left, but Franken could actually be a good choice for 2020. He's pretty liberal, and isn't seen as a Hillaryman so adopting the Bernie platform wouldn't look disingenuous, he can counter Trump being Trump by being genuinely engaging and funny, and he's from the rust belt and knows their issues intimately. yeah this could be a good idea maybe
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Venom Snake posted:Imagine I quoted that article about too many cooks and all that. There was never any focus. why so many aides donors trying to hire twelve overqualified people and not actually letting one run the show?
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Venom Snake posted:Imagine I quoted that article about too many cooks and all that. There was never any focus. do you know if this was even floated?
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anime was right posted:why so many aides it takes a lot to make a stew
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Necc0 posted:yeah this could be a good idea maybe the honest truth is things are so unpredictable right now I have no idea what constitutes a "good idea" by 2020 maybe running kanye?
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Mrit posted:Back in 2006, I was angry. Angry at the Republicans, angry at the weakness of the Dems. I was hard left, and wanted to destroy the current government. Minus your first paragraph and this is me. I supported the establishment fullstop until today. Now I want to burn it to the ground.
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Necc0 posted:do you know if this was even floated? No. I dealt with surrogates and talking points. Not super high level poo poo like "what do we make the campaign about". What I do 100% know is I got told at times that I shouldn't be worried about keeping the dem base excited 
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anime was right posted:why so many aides i'm in consulting and it's unfortunately a real easy trap to fall into- i see it all the time. it usually takes a catastrophic project failure plus a trusted third party with the balls to firmly tell management they're bloated and wrong after the fact in order to get reform. a campaign doesn't get second chances
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Venom Snake posted:No. I dealt with surrogates and talking points. Not super high level poo poo like "what do we make the campaign about". What I do 100% know is I got told at times that I shouldn't be worried about keeping the dem base excited You've got to be loving kidding me.
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Venom Snake posted:No. I dealt with surrogates and talking points. Not super high level poo poo like "what do we make the campaign about". What I do 100% know is I got told at times that I shouldn't be worried about keeping the dem base excited Did the DNC not just ..... arggh.. just not pay attention to loving anything? "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line." is a trope for a loving reason.
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Venom Snake posted:No. I dealt with surrogates and talking points. Not super high level poo poo like "what do we make the campaign about". What I do 100% know is I got told at times that I shouldn't be worried about keeping the dem base excited VS I can't remember if we've interacted poorly in the past but you seem like you worked hard and I'm sorry that work was directed so incompetently.
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Necc0 posted:i'm in consulting and it's unfortunately a real easy trap to fall into. it usually takes a catastrophic project failure plus a trusted third party with the balls to firmly tell management they're bloated and wrong after the fact in order to get reform. a campaign doesn't get second chances there's a pile of things to say, but the reality is that the cycle of 8 year president -> absolute crisis is probably a pattern american political parties are gonna follow for awhile right now, and part of it is that the intellectual framework around elections works for all of about 2 of them and then detonates spectacularly on the third.
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