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Convergence posted:Bob Corker as Sec of State is at least not catastrophic. Just not great. He certainly seems reasonable compared to Newt.
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Lightning Knight posted:So white working class people want: They;re fine if you just offer them 1+3. Also if they were gone forever then Obama nor Clinton would have won them. Seriously take some time off. Also sorry about your healthcare. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 06:15
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Lightning Knight posted:That's highly unlikely because I was already depressed. If you join the military you get socialized medicine.
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Lightning Knight posted:imo this is why we're hosed. Massive voter suppression by the Republicans will kneecap the minority and poor vote and working. class whites will still think the Democrats are toxic regardless of our platform because what they want is "we will magically make it 1955 again." Stop being a stick in the mud. Politics is a pendulum, the swings are getting more extreme. So if this is the right wing pushback there will be reckoning in the future one way or another. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and plan for the future. Your self pitying horseshit is getting annoying.
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To be honest, several people have tried to cheer me up and each time it has just reminded me of a new facet of why this situation is loving awful. I don't even have hope for the country eight years from now.
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Polygynous posted:Don't you get it Hillary would have had this if she just lied and said "jobs" a lot. Almost like the dems should have went for the populist candidate and not the wonky pragmatic one
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Nov 10, 2016 06:17
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Lightning Knight posted:The problem with the brogressive narrative isn't that we hate poor white people or that we don't empathize with them, the problem is that the solutions they want are impossible and no amount of messaging can fix that. We can't win their vote if Republicans can effortlessly undermine us with them from the right. I admit that I don't have a solution for you right at this moment. I just hope to convince a few people that this is more complicated than "half the country is racist", because we have to at least understand the problem first. As for white privilege not being a media narrative (or at least a millennial narrative that's picked up on many social media networks and also conservative news networks), I don't think it's very hard to find occurrences. Here's a million results: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=white+privilege&safe=off&tbm=nws
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pocket pool posted:Haha what the gently caress does that even mean? it means that he can backpedal as soon as all the numbskulls who left him cause he was/is #nevertrump return to watching his show
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Nov 10, 2016 06:18
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Crowsbeak posted:They;re fine if you just offer them 1+3. Also if they were gone forever then Obama nor Clinton would have won them. Seriously take some time off. 1 is impossible and 3 is a really really bad thing for the global economy including white working class people try again. Flopsy posted:Stop being a stick in the mud. Politics is a pendulum, the swings are getting more extreme. So if this is the right wing pushback there will be reckoning in the future one way or another. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and plan for the future. Your self pitying horseshit is getting annoying. Global warming. Doesn't matter if leftists win in 10 years the damage will be catastrophic.
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Crowsbeak posted:They;re fine if you just offer them 1+3. Also if they were gone forever then Obama nor Clinton would have won them. Seriously take some time off. Also sorry about your healthcare. For real. It's right there in their faces and they just refuse to see it 
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Nov 10, 2016 06:18
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There is a chance that by deregulating the EPA and pushing new coal along with aggressive infrastructure spending we could see a economic up tick. Like those are only 50% insane ideas.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:17
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Convergence posted:I admit that I don't have a solution for you right at this moment. I just hope to convince a few people that this is more complicated than "half the country is racist", because we have to at least understand the problem first. So you have absolutely nothing and are talking from your rear end in an attempt to excuse racism
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Nov 10, 2016 06:19
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Helpimscared posted:How easy/hard is it going to be for the Trump administration to accomplish this anyway? It depends on whether they want to repeal it and replace it with another (inferior) health care system, or if they just start yanking out supports willy-nilly. It'll be easy for them to cut subsidies and uninsured fines without repealing the no-underwriting mandate, which would destroy the system but who knows if anyone in Trumpland can comprehend that.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:19
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Nah, the "Replace" part has always been smoke. They'll repeal it in the first week, and tell everyone to blame Obama for dangling affordable health care in front of them before suggesting they find real jobs. Trump's election has literally just taught the Republicans that nothing has consequences if you're willing to flog white nationalist sentiment. In 2018 we're going to see a whole crop of Trump imitators, and they're going to make the Tea Party look like diginified statesmen. See: Kentucky
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Nov 10, 2016 06:19
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Almost like the dems should have went for the populist candidate and not the wonky pragmatic one So the system rewards bullshit instead of people who know what they're doing? Awesome.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:20
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Almost like the dems should have went for the populist candidate and not the wonky pragmatic one But I thought the Dems were a dumb and dead party? How could a populist who has never done any movement building turn that around in just one year? If we were going to have a populist revolution in 2016 the populists would have been better served by organizing and building a coalition before the primary started.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:19
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Lessail posted:So you have absolutely nothing and are talking from your rear end in an attempt to excuse racism I would be delighted if you offered something of substance yourself!
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Nov 10, 2016 06:20
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The Ninth Layer posted:I am really struggling to find any semblance of hope today. My mom tried to cheer me up by saying "at least your generation will come out and fix things" and it just made me think about how that won't be for a good 20 years and in the meantime we'll enjoy every single voter suppression technique imaginable get worked into the foundation of our country by all three branches of government. I don't really get why America sucks so bad about this. Parties getting to draw their own electoral zones is really stupid.The supreme court is really stupid, too. Any other Western country you'd be like "oh well, it's just a term or two of a kinda bad centre-right government." In America it's like you've elected cartoonish villains who'll gently caress poo poo up as badly as possible and make it as hard as possible to reverse it.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:20
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Polygynous posted:So the system rewards bullshit instead of people who know what they're doing? Awesome. No nobody knew what the gently caress Hillary was on about for a year because nobody voted, and she was humiliated in a historic defeat.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:20
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Convergence posted:I would be delighted if you offered something of substance yourself! You first.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:20
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Hollismason posted:There is a chance that by deregulating the EPA and pushing new coal along with aggressive infrastructure spending we could see a economic up tick. Trump said he wanted to spend new infrastructure spending on mostly toll based infrastructure.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:20
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negromancer posted:This is a really good read for people just not understanding how people in the rust belt seemingly voted against their own interests, even with all the evidence. not sure how its really good when he never mentions nafta at all and spends the whole time talking about how hot a dead woman was 70 years ago.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:22
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Trabisnikof posted:But I thought the Dems were a dumb and dead party? How could a populist who has never done any movement building turn that around in just one year? You sound like one of those elitist jerks who think candidates should know what they're doing. It's 2016, politics is just about walking around yelling opinions at people, not policy or governing, man.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:22
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Trabisnikof posted:Trump said he wanted to spend new infrastructure spending on mostly toll based infrastructure. Specifically he wants to give construction companies an $8 billion tax cut which they will magically use on toll roads that will pay for themselves.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:21
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Hollismason posted:There is a chance that by deregulating the EPA and pushing new coal along with aggressive infrastructure spending we could see a economic up tick. Coal is not really economically viable anymore when compared to natural gas. I don't think we need to worry about it unless they literally subsidize production specifically from coal.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:21
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Trabisnikof posted:Trump said he wanted to spend new infrastructure spending on mostly toll based infrastructure. Still any Infrastructure spending is probably going to have a positive effect. Also, with the deregulation of the energy companies we may see a expansion in jobs in that area.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:23
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Trabisnikof posted:But I thought the Dems were a dumb and dead party? How could a populist who has never done any movement building turn that around in just one year? The dems are now dead. In the begging if of the general election they had a real chance. It's about the working class. The Democratic establishment missed this and now here we are. Yea, the populists could have done a better job, but maybe the reason why it was difficult was because Because everyone in the DNC expected and wanted Hillary to run for president again.
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Nov 10, 2016 06:23
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:For real. It's right there in their faces and they just refuse to see it Its more we have aot of people here who have good reason to be angry, not knowing when to take some time off. I did this once too and it just ended bad for me as my week long probation proved. When you;r down and mad you have to walk away from DnD and do something productive. Tight Booty Shorts posted:The dems are now dead. In the begging if of the general election they had a real chance. It's about the working class. The Democratic establishment missed this and now here we are. Well the DNC is dead. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Sir Tonk posted:If you join the military you get socialized medicine.  VA is going to go private. Didn't you hear?e: Charter docs.
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Flopsy posted:Stop being a stick in the mud. Politics is a pendulum, the swings are getting more extreme. So if this is the right wing pushback there will be reckoning in the future one way or another. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and plan for the future. Your self pitying horseshit is getting annoying. I can keep posting this until it sinks in https://twitter.com/ZachStafford/status/796487996405063680 Some ambiguous future reckoning does absolutely zero to help the people for whom the future right now consists of an increase in harassment, violence, and sexual assault among a group who already faces it way out of proportion to the rest of the population. It isn't self pitying when some of us have legitimate fear for our livelihoods and/or our very life itself, and I think people should be forgiven for being emotional about this the day after the loving election. e: Not saying this is directly relevant to LK's situation as I do not know them, but trans people are not the only group who are at risk of being targeted even more than they already are by hate crimes over the next several years because a bigot got elected to the highest office in the country and legitimized the toxic attitudes of a swath of the country.
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The entire political left is dead. We're all sitting on the sidelines watching the Trump Show now. Optimistically we'll be sitting here until 2020.
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Convergence posted:Coal is not really economically viable anymore when compared to natural gas. I don't think we need to worry about it unless the literally subsidize production specifically from coal. President Donald J. Trump. Do you really doubt he'd do something really loving stupid? Skanker posted:I don't really get why America sucks so bad about this. Parties getting to draw their own electoral zones is really stupid.The supreme court is really stupid, too. Any other Western country you'd be like "oh well, it's just a term or two of a kinda bad centre-right government." In America it's like you've elected cartoonish villains who'll gently caress poo poo up as badly as possible and make it as hard as possible to reverse it. I'm very sad tha "the leader of the free world" was ever associated with this poo poo country.
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Convergence posted:Coal is not really economically viable anymore when compared to natural gas. I don't think we need to worry about it unless they literally subsidize production specifically from coal. I can see a Trump administration spending money propping up a lovely fuel source as "public works"
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PerniciousKnid posted:You sound like one of those elitist jerks who think candidates should know what they're doing. It's 2016, politics is just about walking around yelling opinions at people, not policy or governing, man. Let me know how pragmatism is working out for ya
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Hollismason posted:Still any Infrastructure spending is probably going to have a positive effect. Also, with the deregulation of the energy companies we may see a expansion in jobs in that area. Not if all the "infrastructure spending" comes in the form of magical tax cuts.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:The dems are now dead. In the begging if of the general election they had a real chance. It's about the working class. The Democratic establishment missed this and now here we are. voters too, it's like everyone is in on this conspiracy
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So when ACA is repealed is that going to fall on the states or is stuff like in e.g. MA going to be dead and buried as well? Basically I'm wondering what the options are for blue states to shore up their health care systems in the aftermath of detonation of the ACA at the national level. Have the GOP made any noise about, like making state exchanges illegal or whatever?
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Hollismason posted:Still any Infrastructure spending is probably going to have a positive effect. Also, with the deregulation of the energy companies we may see a expansion in jobs in that area. The problem is that Trump is an incompetent buffoon so there's no reason to think he'll do it correctly if he does it at all. PKJC posted:Some ambiguous future reckoning does absolutely zero to help the people for whom the future right now consists of an increase in harassment, violence, and sexual assault among a group who already faces it way out of proportion to the rest of the population. It isn't self pitying when some of us have legitimate fear for our livelihoods and/or our very life itself, and I think people should be forgiven for being emotional about this the day after the loving election. All these whiny LGBTQs need to stop self pitying about being killed by homophobes, it's just an election.
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Kilroy posted:So when ACA is repealed is that going to fall on the states or is stuff like in e.g. MA going to be dead and buried as well? Basically I'm wondering what the options are for blue states to shore up their health care systems in the aftermath of detonation of the ACA at the national level. Have the GOP made any noise about, like making state exchanges illegal or whatever? They want to do block grants. It's just a flat amount and blue states won't be able to afford to cover everyone. The temptation to use the funding for other things will also be omnipresent. It's a system designed to destroy public healthcare through attrition.
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